They both are.


It's a dumb show about smart people. I'd much rather see a smart show about dumb people
- lumlums

It's called Trailer Park Boys.

Even if we win the lottery?
- lumlums

The leafs have ruined a lot of good players.

Even if we win the lottery?
- lumlums

Do you know what a 9% chance means?

Based on team finish, the percentage chance of being selected in the 2015 Draft Lottery is as follows:

1. Buffalo Sabres 20.0%
2. Arizona Coyotes 13.5%
3. Edmonton Oilers 11.5%
4. Toronto Maple Leafs 9.5%
5. Carolina Hurricanes 8.5%
6. New Jersey Devils 7.5%
7. Philadelphia Flyers 6.5%
8. Columbus Blue Jackets 6.0%
9. San Jose Sharks 5.0%
10. Colorado Avalanche 3.5%
11. Florida Panthers 3.0%
12. Dallas Stars 2.5%
13. Los Angeles Kings 2.0%
14. Boston Bruins 1.0%

I hope the Coyotes or the Flyers win it...anybody but Toronto!!
- LeftCoaster

Buffalo will win. League gets a franchise player in Phx and buffalo. To small markets. Couldn't have worked out better

The leafs have ruined a lot of good players.
- Bieksa#3

And a lot of bad players.

Hey Lums, I thought Carlyle was the problem. 45 pts in 40 games. How'd the other guy do? Leafs should beg Carlyle to come back
- Bieksa#3

Oh, Carlyle was a big problem. Not the only one at all. Horacek tried preaching responsibility and the team showed that they're incapable of being able to play a more sustainable game. Now we learned that we have many guys that we have to get rid of; and today the work began.

Do you know what a 9% chance means?


- Scooby_Doo

I heard that movie is based of nonis' life story

Do you know what a 9% chance means?


- Scooby_Doo

Yes, but the top team only has a 20% chance. Of the fourteen with a chance, the Leafs have a better chance than ten of them. And worst case scenario in a marque draft is to still have a chance to pick an elite prospect


Good times

Oh, Carlyle was a big problem. Not the only one at all. Horacek tried preaching responsibility and the team showed that they're incapable of being able to play a more sustainable game. Now we learned that we have many guys that we have to get rid of; and today the work began.
- lumlums

So Carlyle was a problem for getting the most out of his line up rather then exposing their weakness's?

And a lot of bad players.


- Scooby_Doo

I read somewhere on this site he's easily a top pairing d man on 90% of the teams in the league.

Oh, it's clearly his fault that they traded away anybody of value.



I'm not a fan of Nolan, but he was never in a position to succeed, and it is nothing short of a disgrace that he's been dismissed for being nothing more than a patsy to the whim of his GM's roster...
- lumlums

Brutal. You intentionally put together one of the worst collections of NHL "talent" ever assembled and then after getting the desired outcome you fire the coach? He wasn't good enough at losing? He lost the wrong way?

Hockey Gods, if you're there, please give them the Oiler's treatment. Hiring Eakins would be a good start. He's good at losing.

Brutal. You intentionally put together one of the worst collections of NHL "talent" ever assembled and then after getting the desired outcome you fire the coach? He wasn't good enough at losing? He lost the wrong way?

Hockey Gods, if you're there, please give them the Oiler's treatment. Hiring Eakins would be a good start. He's good at losing.
- CubanBuffet

I don't imagine his "if u play well somebody might trade for u" comment did him any favors.

So Carlyle was a problem for getting the most out of his line up rather then exposing their weakness's?
- Bieksa#3

Carlyle was a problem for being a blithering idiot who had no plan B beyond "Well, better send Phil out again!"

[quote=Bieksa#3]

No doubt. And it doesn't sound like they had a very good working relationship, which is a perfectly reasonable reason to fire someone. I still don't like it.

I read somewhere on this site he's easily a top pairing d man on 90% of the teams in the league.
- Bieksa#3

Nope. He's a top pair on about 10 by my count. Obviously they're not the typically better teams.

Nope. He's a top pair on about 10 by my count. Obviously they're not the typically better teams.
- lumlums

Well, we'll find out where he fits in with his new club in a few months

Well, we'll find out where he fits in with his new club in a few months
- walshyleafsfan

We most likely will

Well, we'll find out where he fits in with his new club in a few months
- walshyleafsfan

Dion to SJ for a 3rd rounder. Leafs eat no salary

Dion to Detroit for Weiss and 1st leafs eat 2 mill per

Take your pick

Mantha

Dion to SJ for a 3rd rounder. Leafs eat no salary

Dion to Detroit for Weiss and 1st leafs eat 2 mill per

Take your pick
- Bieksa#3

Forgive me if I take Canucks fans trade values with a pinch of salt after the Luongo debacle. I'm gonna put my trust in the guys who traded David Clarkson and his contract to Columbus.

Forgive me if I take Canucks fans trade values with a pinch of salt after the Luongo debacle. I'm gonna put my trust in the guys who traded David Clarkson and his contract to Columbus.
- walshyleafsfan

For Horton's

For Horton's
- thundachunk

Yup.

Forgive me if I take Canucks fans trade values with a pinch of salt after the Luongo debacle. I'm gonna put my trust in the guys who traded David Clarkson and his contract to Columbus.
- walshyleafsfan

You mean took another bad contract back? That's what I suggested with the Detroit deal. Even through a pick in.

Dion to SJ for a 3rd rounder. Leafs eat no salary

Dion to Detroit for Weiss and 1st leafs eat 2 mill per

Take your pick

Mantha
- Bieksa#3

I think that the return will be better than you think.


But simultaneously worse than many Leafers expect.


Dion, for his faults, is a D who plays some of the toughest minutes in the league and has been repeatedly invited to join the Olympic training camp. He has more value than many give him credit for, albeit with a poor contract tied to him.

Just a heads up for game of thrones fans - the first 4 episodes have been leaked. Enjoy

Yup.
- walshyleafsfan

That's like giving up syphilis to get gonorrhea