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hankthetank
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I went to school for journalism. Our job was to be a mirror. We were to be the watchdog for society.
Joined: 07.03.2007

Apr 20 @ 7:08 PM ET
Wah! Wah! Wah! It's playoff hockey you weiner!
- K-man25




First time you've been able to say that in years.

PS: Please post that in the Flames thread, thanks.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:10 PM ET
Okay, Im clearly not understanding what you want other then you want the Sedins to play 20 minutes a game and mathias, dorsett, and richardson to play 5 minutes a game? You also want the Sedins to kill penalties? I'm really confused.
- manvanfan

No doubt you're confused.

I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.

Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this

Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:11 PM ET
Oh he can get a penalty, and probably will. Just doing what makes him sucessful!

You'd love in a Canuck uniform!

- K-man25

But you just said the opposite in your previous post. Which is it?
A penalty is still a penalty.

A dangerous play is still a dangerous play
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 20 @ 7:17 PM ET
No doubt you're confused.

I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.

Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this

- Bieksa#3


Okay, you have outlined it better this time. If you don't talk like an A-hole ppl can understand you. The flames haven't looked for any mismatches at all. you better go ask Torts how well not playing the 4th line and having the sedins play 20 a night gets you. Our top line is old, their top line is young.

hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Apr 20 @ 7:18 PM ET
In all honesty, I don't believe in what I say lots either. Everybody has a different opinion, I'm one voice among many in here.
- manvanfan


I like all the different perspectives.

Often when I hear one similar to mine, I listen a little more and then when that voice differs I listen more intently to find out if there is some factor or perspective I haven't considered.

And opinions have to differ to get a good discussion going. whether you really believe what you are saying or not, this is the internet and not a lie detector machine. little lies to keep discussion lively is encouraged.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Apr 20 @ 7:19 PM ET
18
- pker2theend


Eighteen
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 20 @ 7:19 PM ET
No doubt you're confused.

I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.

Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this

- Bieksa#3


I can see you don't have a life outside the canucks but don't speak for the rest of us.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:21 PM ET
Okay, you have outlined it better this time. If you don't talk like an A-hole ppl can understand you. The flames haven't looked for any mismatches at all. you better go ask Torts how well not playing the 4th line and having the sedins play 20 a night gets you. Our top line is old, their top line is young.
- manvanfan

Bloated, alpha and zogg all understood.

Its called reading

The flames are steady trying to keep johnny and co away from Tanev.
They are steady trying to get widemen and Russell out against the sedins.
As I said watch the games
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Apr 20 @ 7:23 PM ET
No doubt you're confused.

I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.

Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this

- Bieksa#3


I agree and mentioned this a little while back; that, perhaps we are seeing one of the first flaws/tendencies that WD employs. In every other series you are seeing the top players ice-time in and around the 19-20+ mark and even higher as the situation merits. WD's rolling his lines is an admirable concept but not in the playoffs where you only get a few chances and retrospect is something that no one can afford. I guess we'll see what happens but he needs to start using those high end assets and relying on his best players to deliver. Giving Sedins 15-16 minutes of ice-time is a recipe for a short series. They should be double shifted wherever possible, now that the Canucks have their backs against the wall
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 20 @ 7:25 PM ET
I like all the different perspectives.

Often when I hear one similar to mine, I listen a little more and then when that voice differs I listen more intently to find out if there is some factor or perspective I haven't considered.

And opinions have to differ to get a good discussion going. whether you really believe what you are saying or not, this is the internet and not a lie detector machine. little lies to keep discussion lively is encouraged.

- hillbillydeluxe


I couldn't have said it better myself. I like to know the reasons for ppls prospectives. It's when ppl talk down to one another that I get annoyed.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Apr 20 @ 7:25 PM ET
Eighteen
- The-O-G


I keep thinking of this movie review...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhpbXQDl6g
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Apr 20 @ 7:27 PM ET
I agree and mentioned this a little while back; that, perhaps we are seeing one of the first flaws/tendencies that WD employs. In every other series you are seeing the top players ice-time in and around the 19-20+ mark and even higher as the situation merits. WD's rolling his lines is an admirable concept but not in the playoffs where you only get a few chances and retrospect is something that no one can afford. I guess we'll see what happens but he needs to start using those high end assets and relying on his best players to deliver. Giving Sedins 15-16 minutes of ice-time is a recipe for a short series. They should be double shifted wherever possible, now that the Canucks have their backs against the wall
- Zogg


And for those that compare this situation to last year with Torts, this is an altogether different scenario. I agree that using the Sedins 19+ minutes a night during the regular season is too much, but this is the play-offs and you have the whole rest of the summer to rest and recuperate. You have to give it 110% every night, as there is no tomorrow, and if that means double shifting the Sedins and giving them at least 3-4 minutes more ice-time per night, then that is what needs to be done
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 20 @ 7:28 PM ET
Okay, you have outlined it better this time. If you don't talk like an A-hole ppl can understand you. The flames haven't looked for any mismatches at all. you better go ask Torts how well not playing the 4th line and having the sedins play 20 a night gets you. Our top line is old, their top line is young.
- manvanfan


I agree with KB3 here. We had a 4-on-4 for several minutes last night and the Sedins came out only for the last few seconds when we were incidentally on the PK. The Sedin line controlled 75% of all shots while on the ice yet they got less 5-on-5 time than Bonino or Higgins. When a team needs to score, this approach is nothing short of ridiculous.

Torts used to play the Sedins roughly 24 minutes a night on average. WD rolled out the Sedin line roughly 18 minutes per night on average. For some reason in the playoffs, even though they're still our most effective line at controlling the play and creating chances, they get even less time than the regular season (about 16 mins)

It WD simply gave all 4 lines the same ice time they each had during the regular season we'd be better off IMO. There might be a case to bump up the Horvat line to 2nd line minutes, but to try to have your 12 forwards all within 2 minutes of each in playing time is silly.
anavar
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.29.2008

Apr 20 @ 7:28 PM ET
And for those that compare this situation to last year with Torts, this is an altogether different scenario. I agree that using the Sedins 19+ minutes a night during the regular season is too much, but this is the play-offs and you have the whole rest of the summer to rest and recuperate. You have to give it 110% every night, as there is no tomorrow, and if that means double shifting the Sedins and giving them 3-4 minutes more ice-time per night, then that is what needs to be done
- Zogg

Yup, if we go down in 5 or 6 everyone and their dogs will be asking wd why the f didn't he play the sedins more. Hopefully he does. If they are slugging it up, dial it back.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:29 PM ET
I can see you don't have a life outside the canucks but don't speak for the rest of us.
- manvanfan

Ah I see.
The I'm wrong so I'll try making up something to make me feel better response.

Very clever peewee
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Apr 20 @ 7:35 PM ET

This is worse than I thought. I just checked the stats on NHL.com to see how the Sedins ice time compares to other players. Well, if you can believe it, they are 152 and 163 (with approximately 16 minute/game). That's absolutely ridiculous when it comes to your top two players. WD better get his sh*t together and start leaning on his best assets, just like every other coach seems to be doing (nay, just like every other SUCCESSFUL coach has been doing)
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Apr 20 @ 7:35 PM ET
And for those that compare this situation to last year with Torts, this is an altogether different scenario. I agree that using the Sedins 19+ minutes a night during the regular season is too much, but this is the play-offs and you have the whole rest of the summer to rest and recuperate. You have to give it 110% every night, as there is no tomorrow, and if that means double shifting the Sedins and giving them at least 3-4 minutes more ice-time per night, then that is what needs to be done
- Zogg


I said this earlier, but I'll repeat...

That "fresh" stuff is a joke. How can you worry about keeping the Sedins fresh when Higgins is playing more? Why wouldn't you be worried about keeping Higgins fresh? lol.

I don't know if you can play the Sedins 19+ mins a night and still be effective, but playing Higgins more doesn't make any sense at all. It is not like Higgins has been on fire. FFS don't play Higgins the most of all forwards. Give Higgins' pp time to Horvat, Matthias or Dorsett.

Double shifting the Sedins a bit in the third when trailing is fine. Still can't believe Higgins was played so much. Doesn't make sense.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 20 @ 7:41 PM ET
I couldn't have said it better myself. I like to know the reasons for ppls prospectives. It's when ppl talk down to one another that I get annoyed.
- manvanfan


Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.

I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.

Well, maybe Booner would.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 20 @ 7:43 PM ET
This is worse than I thought. I just checked the stats on NHL.com to see how the Sedins ice time compares to other players. Well, if you can believe it, they are 152 and 163 (with approximately 16 minute/game). That's absolutely ridiculous when it comes to your top two players. WD better get his sh*t together and start leaning on his best assets, just like every other coach seems to be doing (nay, just like every other SUCCESSFUL coach has been doing)
- Zogg

Are you comparing them to forwards or all players because defense men play more mins?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 20 @ 7:45 PM ET
Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.

I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.

Well, maybe Booner would.

- bloatedmosquito

What do you think causes all the street brawls
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 20 @ 7:46 PM ET
4:45 shlt I'm late
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 20 @ 7:47 PM ET
Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.

I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.

Well, maybe Booner would.

- bloatedmosquito


Fact
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 20 @ 7:49 PM ET
Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.

I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.

Well, maybe Booner would.

- bloatedmosquito


It's annoying to listen to but unfortunately out in the world there are people like that. I Just feel it's not needed in an open discussion because in the end none of what we say matters. We are all on then sidelines.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:50 PM ET
This is worse than I thought. I just checked the stats on NHL.com to see how the Sedins ice time compares to other players. Well, if you can believe it, they are 152 and 163 (with approximately 16 minute/game). That's absolutely ridiculous when it comes to your top two players. WD better get his sh*t together and start leaning on his best assets, just like every other coach seems to be doing (nay, just like every other SUCCESSFUL coach has been doing)
- Zogg

But but but...I don't understand.
We are a 4 line team
Flames never try for mismatches

And on and on,........


Who needs trolls
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:51 PM ET
It's annoying to listen to but unfortunately out in the world there are people like that. I Just feel it's not needed in an open discussion because in the end none of what we say matters. We are all on then sidelines.
- manvanfan

Oh the irony
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