hankthetank
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Location: I went to school for journalism. Our job was to be a mirror. We were to be the watchdog for society. Joined: 07.03.2007
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Wah! Wah! Wah! It's playoff hockey you weiner! - K-man25
First time you've been able to say that in years.
PS: Please post that in the Flames thread, thanks. |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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Okay, Im clearly not understanding what you want other then you want the Sedins to play 20 minutes a game and mathias, dorsett, and richardson to play 5 minutes a game? You also want the Sedins to kill penalties? I'm really confused. - manvanfan
No doubt you're confused.
I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.
Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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Oh he can get a penalty, and probably will. Just doing what makes him sucessful!
You'd love in a Canuck uniform! - K-man25
But you just said the opposite in your previous post. Which is it?
A penalty is still a penalty.
A dangerous play is still a dangerous play |
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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: MB Joined: 01.21.2012
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No doubt you're confused.
I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.
Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this - Bieksa#3
Okay, you have outlined it better this time. If you don't talk like an A-hole ppl can understand you. The flames haven't looked for any mismatches at all. you better go ask Torts how well not playing the 4th line and having the sedins play 20 a night gets you. Our top line is old, their top line is young.
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hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I didn't read it , BC Joined: 09.21.2013
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In all honesty, I don't believe in what I say lots either. Everybody has a different opinion, I'm one voice among many in here. - manvanfan
I like all the different perspectives.
Often when I hear one similar to mine, I listen a little more and then when that voice differs I listen more intently to find out if there is some factor or perspective I haven't considered.
And opinions have to differ to get a good discussion going. whether you really believe what you are saying or not, this is the internet and not a lie detector machine. little lies to keep discussion lively is encouraged. |
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The-O-G
Calgary Flames |
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Joined: 11.29.2011
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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: MB Joined: 01.21.2012
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No doubt you're confused.
I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.
Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this - Bieksa#3
I can see you don't have a life outside the canucks but don't speak for the rest of us. |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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Okay, you have outlined it better this time. If you don't talk like an A-hole ppl can understand you. The flames haven't looked for any mismatches at all. you better go ask Torts how well not playing the 4th line and having the sedins play 20 a night gets you. Our top line is old, their top line is young. - manvanfan
Bloated, alpha and zogg all understood.
Its called reading
The flames are steady trying to keep johnny and co away from Tanev.
They are steady trying to get widemen and Russell out against the sedins.
As I said watch the games |
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Zogg
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 09.16.2005
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No doubt you're confused.
I want Willie to play the sedins more then 2 per night more then the 4th liners. Like every single other team does.
I want him to try to get mismatches in lines like the flames and every other team does.
None of this happens.
Now I know you're still confused about life, but do you understand this - Bieksa#3
I agree and mentioned this a little while back; that, perhaps we are seeing one of the first flaws/tendencies that WD employs. In every other series you are seeing the top players ice-time in and around the 19-20+ mark and even higher as the situation merits. WD's rolling his lines is an admirable concept but not in the playoffs where you only get a few chances and retrospect is something that no one can afford. I guess we'll see what happens but he needs to start using those high end assets and relying on his best players to deliver. Giving Sedins 15-16 minutes of ice-time is a recipe for a short series. They should be double shifted wherever possible, now that the Canucks have their backs against the wall |
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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: MB Joined: 01.21.2012
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I like all the different perspectives.
Often when I hear one similar to mine, I listen a little more and then when that voice differs I listen more intently to find out if there is some factor or perspective I haven't considered.
And opinions have to differ to get a good discussion going. whether you really believe what you are saying or not, this is the internet and not a lie detector machine. little lies to keep discussion lively is encouraged. - hillbillydeluxe
I couldn't have said it better myself. I like to know the reasons for ppls prospectives. It's when ppl talk down to one another that I get annoyed. |
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hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I didn't read it , BC Joined: 09.21.2013
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Zogg
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 09.16.2005
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I agree and mentioned this a little while back; that, perhaps we are seeing one of the first flaws/tendencies that WD employs. In every other series you are seeing the top players ice-time in and around the 19-20+ mark and even higher as the situation merits. WD's rolling his lines is an admirable concept but not in the playoffs where you only get a few chances and retrospect is something that no one can afford. I guess we'll see what happens but he needs to start using those high end assets and relying on his best players to deliver. Giving Sedins 15-16 minutes of ice-time is a recipe for a short series. They should be double shifted wherever possible, now that the Canucks have their backs against the wall - Zogg
And for those that compare this situation to last year with Torts, this is an altogether different scenario. I agree that using the Sedins 19+ minutes a night during the regular season is too much, but this is the play-offs and you have the whole rest of the summer to rest and recuperate. You have to give it 110% every night, as there is no tomorrow, and if that means double shifting the Sedins and giving them at least 3-4 minutes more ice-time per night, then that is what needs to be done |
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AlexF
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Whistler, BC Joined: 06.25.2011
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Okay, you have outlined it better this time. If you don't talk like an A-hole ppl can understand you. The flames haven't looked for any mismatches at all. you better go ask Torts how well not playing the 4th line and having the sedins play 20 a night gets you. Our top line is old, their top line is young. - manvanfan
I agree with KB3 here. We had a 4-on-4 for several minutes last night and the Sedins came out only for the last few seconds when we were incidentally on the PK. The Sedin line controlled 75% of all shots while on the ice yet they got less 5-on-5 time than Bonino or Higgins. When a team needs to score, this approach is nothing short of ridiculous.
Torts used to play the Sedins roughly 24 minutes a night on average. WD rolled out the Sedin line roughly 18 minutes per night on average. For some reason in the playoffs, even though they're still our most effective line at controlling the play and creating chances, they get even less time than the regular season (about 16 mins)
It WD simply gave all 4 lines the same ice time they each had during the regular season we'd be better off IMO. There might be a case to bump up the Horvat line to 2nd line minutes, but to try to have your 12 forwards all within 2 minutes of each in playing time is silly. |
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anavar
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 02.29.2008
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And for those that compare this situation to last year with Torts, this is an altogether different scenario. I agree that using the Sedins 19+ minutes a night during the regular season is too much, but this is the play-offs and you have the whole rest of the summer to rest and recuperate. You have to give it 110% every night, as there is no tomorrow, and if that means double shifting the Sedins and giving them 3-4 minutes more ice-time per night, then that is what needs to be done - Zogg
Yup, if we go down in 5 or 6 everyone and their dogs will be asking wd why the f didn't he play the sedins more. Hopefully he does. If they are slugging it up, dial it back.
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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I can see you don't have a life outside the canucks but don't speak for the rest of us. - manvanfan
Ah I see.
The I'm wrong so I'll try making up something to make me feel better response.
Very clever peewee |
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Zogg
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 09.16.2005
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This is worse than I thought. I just checked the stats on NHL.com to see how the Sedins ice time compares to other players. Well, if you can believe it, they are 152 and 163 (with approximately 16 minute/game). That's absolutely ridiculous when it comes to your top two players. WD better get his sh*t together and start leaning on his best assets, just like every other coach seems to be doing (nay, just like every other SUCCESSFUL coach has been doing) |
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hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I didn't read it , BC Joined: 09.21.2013
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And for those that compare this situation to last year with Torts, this is an altogether different scenario. I agree that using the Sedins 19+ minutes a night during the regular season is too much, but this is the play-offs and you have the whole rest of the summer to rest and recuperate. You have to give it 110% every night, as there is no tomorrow, and if that means double shifting the Sedins and giving them at least 3-4 minutes more ice-time per night, then that is what needs to be done - Zogg
I said this earlier, but I'll repeat...
That "fresh" stuff is a joke. How can you worry about keeping the Sedins fresh when Higgins is playing more? Why wouldn't you be worried about keeping Higgins fresh? lol.
I don't know if you can play the Sedins 19+ mins a night and still be effective, but playing Higgins more doesn't make any sense at all. It is not like Higgins has been on fire. FFS don't play Higgins the most of all forwards. Give Higgins' pp time to Horvat, Matthias or Dorsett.
Double shifting the Sedins a bit in the third when trailing is fine. Still can't believe Higgins was played so much. Doesn't make sense. |
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bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: The Clit Whisperer Joined: 10.22.2011
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I couldn't have said it better myself. I like to know the reasons for ppls prospectives. It's when ppl talk down to one another that I get annoyed. - manvanfan
Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.
I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.
Well, maybe Booner would. |
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This is worse than I thought. I just checked the stats on NHL.com to see how the Sedins ice time compares to other players. Well, if you can believe it, they are 152 and 163 (with approximately 16 minute/game). That's absolutely ridiculous when it comes to your top two players. WD better get his sh*t together and start leaning on his best assets, just like every other coach seems to be doing (nay, just like every other SUCCESSFUL coach has been doing) - Zogg
Are you comparing them to forwards or all players because defense men play more mins? |
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Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.
I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.
Well, maybe Booner would. - bloatedmosquito
What do you think causes all the street brawls |
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AlexF
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Whistler, BC Joined: 06.25.2011
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Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.
I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.
Well, maybe Booner would. - bloatedmosquito
Fact |
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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: MB Joined: 01.21.2012
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Oh man, you must be annoyed a lot in here.
I've learned it's a by-product of the internet. We wouldn't talk the way we do if we were sitting around a table drinking beers.
Well, maybe Booner would. - bloatedmosquito
It's annoying to listen to but unfortunately out in the world there are people like that. I Just feel it's not needed in an open discussion because in the end none of what we say matters. We are all on then sidelines. |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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This is worse than I thought. I just checked the stats on NHL.com to see how the Sedins ice time compares to other players. Well, if you can believe it, they are 152 and 163 (with approximately 16 minute/game). That's absolutely ridiculous when it comes to your top two players. WD better get his sh*t together and start leaning on his best assets, just like every other coach seems to be doing (nay, just like every other SUCCESSFUL coach has been doing) - Zogg
But but but...I don't understand.
We are a 4 line team
Flames never try for mismatches
And on and on,........
Who needs trolls |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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It's annoying to listen to but unfortunately out in the world there are people like that. I Just feel it's not needed in an open discussion because in the end none of what we say matters. We are all on then sidelines. - manvanfan
Oh the irony |
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