He's being an idiot because he pretends to know more than he does.
- LeftCoaster

Yup. That's it

I'm the one who uses relevant numbers to back up my arguments and the retorts usually are backed up with nothing but opinion.


Sbisa has nothing that justifies his contract or that he should even be playing a regular shift on this league.

Again, if you want a crappy dman who can be physical you can play Alex Biega and spend the money elsewhere.
- Nucker101

Give an example of "elsewhere." What would you spend $3 million on per season over the next 3 years.

Give an example of "elsewhere." What would you spend $3 million on per season over the next 3 years.
- hankthetank

Sign a UFA forward who can help with secondary scoring. Or hell, take a bad contract from another team if they throw in a pick or prospect back to help the rebuild.

Again, if you want a crappy dman who can be physical you can play Alex Biega and spend the money elsewhere.
- Nucker101

Who cares if they overpaid him by 900 grand. Hawks are paying Bickell 4 million for his 28 points. Is that the end of the world like you're making the Sbisa signing out to be?

Sign a UFA forward who can help with secondary scoring. Or hell, take a bad contract from another team if they throw in a pick or prospect back to help the rebuild.
- Nucker101

So you're suggesting there's top 6 forwards available in the UFA market who would cost less than $3 million per year?

Who cares if they overpaid him by 900 grand. Hawks are paying Bickell 4 million for his 28 points. Is that the end of the world like you're making the Sbisa signing out to be?
- LeftCoaster

Bickell is still useful not a liability like Sbisa.

So you're suggesting there's top 6 forwards available in the UFA market who would cost less than $3 million per year?
- hankthetank

Nope, but if Benning is able to move out an older player like many Benning supporters are expecting then you probably could do it. Just because the UFA market sucks it doesn't make it okay to sign a dman who is poor defensively and offensively 3.6 million.

this about sums it all up

Yup. That's it

I'm the one who uses relevant numbers to back up my arguments and the retorts usually are backed up with nothing but opinion.


Sbisa has nothing that justifies his contract or that he should even be playing a regular shift on this league.
- Nucker101

There are a ton of Sbisa's in the league for 2.8 million. He got overpaid because I'm assuming they're hedging their bets on the cap. They need defence and they obviously don't feel their farmhands are ready, it's not gonna hamper them like you're so focused on pointing out.

He's being an idiot because he pretends to know more than he does.
- LeftCoaster

Is that why is says

Nucker101
Calgary Flames

There are a ton of Sbisa's in the league for 2.8 million. He got overpaid because I'm assuming they're hedging their bets on the cap. They need defence and they obviously don't feel their farmhands are ready, it's not gonna hamper them like you're so focused on pointing out.
- LeftCoaster

He's not good at anything, he hurts this team more than he helps them.

Bickell is still useful not a liability like Sbisa.
- Nucker101

Sbisa is "useful" when you've got no one else to take his place. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Nuckers just being a whiny b!tch kid...we traded our 2nd round pick for a 22 year old NHL ready kid. So Brian Burke didn't like him, but he loved Tyler Biggs, and did such a great job in Toronto

It could also be said we traded our 3rd round pick for Sbisa, who's 25 and playing in the NHL. How many third rounders make it??

Benning is trying to get the huge void of young talent back due to Mike Gillis and his complete ineptitude. Nucker is being extremely shortsighted because he can't see past his nose.
- LeftCoaster

couldn't crack the flames in the first two years of a rebuild, also he is waiver eligible next season...its not all Burke, no way he would make the top six in Calgary next year

He's not good at anything, he hurts this team more than he helps them.
- Nucker101

So let him go and bring up a farmhand who's even more unproven? UFA's can't be forced to sign with you, and, you typically have to overpay them. Tell me, who should our seven defencemen be next year?

couldn't crack the flames in the first two years of a rebuild, also he is waiver eligible next season...its not all Burke, no way he would make the top six in Calgary next year
- flashfire

He would be a good third or second liner on the Canucks, doesn't matter what he would do with the Flames. So he didn't fit there he'll be poop everywhere else? This theory has been proven wrong many times before.

He would be a good third or second liner on the Canucks, doesn't matter what he would do with the Flames. So he didn't fit there he'll be poop everywhere else? This theory has been proven wrong many times before.
- LeftCoaster

just saying you are blaming Burke...which is dumb the kid won't be good enough to crack the top six in Calgary and he is not suited for the bottom six and Flames have good young guys for those rolls.

it might be good for both teams but don't say they traded him because Burke didn't like him because its not true. Burke isn't even the GM and certainly doesn't tell Hartley who to play. Burke wasnt a big fan of Jonny before this season either

just saying you are blaming Burke...which is dumb the kid won't be good enough to crack the top six in Calgary and he is not suited for the bottom six and Flames have good young guys for those rolls.

it might be good for both teams but don't say they traded him because Burke didn't like him because its not true. Burke isn't even the GM and certainly doesn't tell Hartley who to play. Burke wasnt a big fan of Jonny before this season either
- flashfire

I'm not laying it totally on Burke, although he's the one who publicly tried to shame the kid. He has deficiencies obviously, perhaps the Flames development was flawed, they brought him up too early, all play a role in it.

He's a talented kid so they (Benning) felt a 2nd round pick was worth the risk, which is essentially what you're doing with a draft pick anyways...hoping the kid you picked turns into what you hope. They just skipped two years of development.

I'm not laying it totally on Burke, although he's the one who publicly tried to shame the kid. He has deficiencies obviously, perhaps the Flames development was flawed, they brought him up too early, all play a role in it.

He's a talented kid so they felt a 2nd round pick was worth the risk, which is essentially what you're doing with a draft pick anyways.
- LeftCoaster

only issue being you can't send him to the AHL anymore without waivers that is huge...especially when the kid has shown entitlement issues

only issue being you can't send him to the AHL anymore without waivers that is huge...especially when the kid has shown entitlement issues
- flashfire

I don't think that'll be an issue, we need kids like him as I suspect there's going to be room if he earns it. Much like Vey did this year. We don't have prospects like other teams do, huge void in the organization.

He's not good at anything, he hurts this team more than he helps them.
- Nucker101

The only thing you're good at is ... Never mind, too early to get banned for the summer.

I have to agree with Nucker on the Sbisa assessment. He's one of the worst defenceman in the league using both the eye test and statistical evidence.

That being said, the sample size is too small to argue that Stanton is a better option. Given the lack of defensive prospects in our system, it made sense to resign him; just not at 3x3.

Ahhh the sweet sound of Chelsea dagger..g'bye Nashville

I have to agree with Nucker on the Sbisa assessment. He's one of the worst defenceman in the league using both the eye test and statistical evidence.

That being said, the sample size is too small to argue that Stanton is a better option. Given the lack of defensive prospects in our system, it made sense to resign him; just not at 3x3.
- Gullzy

I'd take corrado, subban, or pedan next year over him

At this point, I'd call up all our speedy scorers from Utica, and just gamble.

Sedin Sedin Jensen
Sven Bonino Vrbata
Kenins Horvat Hansen
Higgins Vey Dorsett

If Richardson is ready to go, throw him in for Vey.

Unfortunately, I don't think we have many recalls left.

I'd take corrado, subban, or pedan next year over him
- pker2theend

I'd take Corrado over Bieksa at this point.

Subban and Pedan should develop in the minors. That probably played a part in the decision to sign him in the first place, but a 3 year commitment is egregious.