Here's how I'm looking at it. If the canucks can't win game 5 at home being down 3-1 in the series then they had no right being in the playoffs in the first place.
- bloatedmosquito

Part of me wants the Canucks to lose tonight. If Canucks do make a series of it , fans and Management can say , it wasn't that bad.

Most of us faithfuls realize this team needs a kick in the ass and new faces. I want Benning and WD to witness first hand how far we are from being an elite PO team.

The only players I seen raise their game in this playoffs were Hamhuis Burrows Sedins and Bo. Mostly everyone else has been MIA. I don't blame Lack either . He has not been great ,nor is he the reason we are down.

.7 ppg in the playoffs... does that mean the Sedins are poor playoff performers?

So the Jets didn't deserve to make the playoffs?If Nashville loses tonight, what about them?
- belcherbd

Let me be clear. When I said "no business making the playoffs" I'm speaking about the ability to compete. I'm not being literal.

From what I saw last night...

Jets should have been able to win one out of desperation. Just one. Especially last night. The best teams face adversity and concur it.

That's why I think the fans continued to cheer because they knew their team couldn't compete against a contender and they were appreciative of the effort.

For me, the Jets were in every game. They were leading and were engaged throughout. The Nashville series has been fast paced between two really good teams, with the winner having the chance to really go far. I think the disappointment is that neither Calgary or Vancouver are Cup threats and this was Van's best opportunity Van to win a series. Their performances have been below what they are capable, outside of Game 2, during a time of year when you should be able to bring your best
- WhiteLie

I agree completely, I was responding to the sentiment that if you can't win a game when down 3-1 you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.... I'm disappointed with the results and the play of the last 2 games but imo that doesn't take away from the regular season results.

Hey Zogg, I have to respectfully disagree and challenge your argument about the sedin's bein playoff performers. If I just quickly compare the playoff versus reg season points % vs Games played, here is what I found. I will preface this with I am not a statistician or an expert in any way shape or form where the stats, fenwick or corsci are concerned.

Hank Reg Season 84% points/game playoffs 73%. difference 11%. That is a win or two in the playoffs.

Daniel Reg Season 83% vs 69%. difference 14%.

You can see where the playoff performance can be negatively affected by this. One anchor is all you need to sink a ship if you toss it through the hull.

Now of course those numbers are skewed by the run in '11. I won't bother tossing the high and low numbers and averaging the rest. Clearly this simplistic calculation utilizing elementary mathematics states that there is a drop in performance. You have to agree with that. Your best players MUST be just that in the playoffs.

Just for fun I pulled Iginla out as a comparison and again I utilized some basic math to draw a conclusion here. Like the Sedin's Iginla too had a long playoff run.

Iginla
88% reg season vs 83%. difference 5%. <-- supports my argument.

Of course like kesler Iginla really never had a supporting cast to achieve the numbers that he did. You did point out that he's a power forward like Kesler. This leads me to your second paragraph about longevity.Now as far as that "staying power" in the league due to a perceived dysfunctional cerebellum, I would argue that iginla will have a long career, maybe longer than the Sedins only based on his current age 37, 38 in July and he had 29 goals or there abouts on the back of a rough season for colorado as a whole.

In terms of the "cerebral nature" of the sedin's play, I agree they are methodical in nature and uber skilled as a unit. The Sedin dump in or cycle is getting played out though.I am sure there is more in their repertoire than just that. Teams do have access to video and have a playbook on most players who've been around for a time and they adjust. So without augmentation to their style or the addition of a new element of play I would suggest their time may be limited, moreso than Iginla. My guess is that they will at the end of this current contract head home to close out their career and play for the SEL. So again Zogg I have to respectfully disagree.
- CanuckSMEG

I dont think comparing their regular season stats to playoff stats indicates whether they are good or not. They are leading their team in scoring every regular and playoff season, a better indication of playoff hockey where stricter line-matching occurs.
I think the easiest comparison is comparing the points per game of someone like Jason Williams, who is considered a big playoff performer and see they out produce him. People will always be tough on them, they could definitely be better, but that cant be labeled as poor

Hey Zogg, I have to respectfully disagree and challenge your argument about the sedin's bein playoff performers. If I just quickly compare the playoff versus reg season points % vs Games played, here is what I found. I will preface this with I am not a statistician or an expert in any way shape or form where the stats, fenwick or corsci are concerned.

Hank Reg Season 84% points/game playoffs 73%. difference 11%. That is a win or two in the playoffs.

Daniel Reg Season 83% vs 69%. difference 14%.

You can see where the playoff performance can be negatively affected by this. One anchor is all you need to sink a ship if you toss it through the hull.

Now of course those numbers are skewed by the run in '11. I won't bother tossing the high and low numbers and averaging the rest. Clearly this simplistic calculation utilizing elementary mathematics states that there is a drop in performance. You have to agree with that. Your best players MUST be just that in the playoffs.

Just for fun I pulled Iginla out as a comparison and again I utilized some basic math to draw a conclusion here. Like the Sedin's Iginla too had a long playoff run.

Iginla
88% reg season vs 83%. difference 5%. <-- supports my argument.

Of course like kesler Iginla really never had a supporting cast to achieve the numbers that he did. You did point out that he's a power forward like Kesler. This leads me to your second paragraph about longevity.Now as far as that "staying power" in the league due to a perceived dysfunctional cerebellum, I would argue that iginla will have a long career, maybe longer than the Sedins only based on his current age 37, 38 in July and he had 29 goals or there abouts on the back of a rough season for colorado as a whole.

In terms of the "cerebral nature" of the sedin's play, I agree they are methodical in nature and uber skilled as a unit. The Sedin dump in or cycle is getting played out though.I am sure there is more in their repertoire than just that. Teams do have access to video and have a playbook on most players who've been around for a time and they adjust. So without augmentation to their style or the addition of a new element of play I would suggest their time may be limited, moreso than Iginla. My guess is that they will at the end of this current contract head home to close out their career and play for the SEL. So again Zogg I have to respectfully disagree.
- CanuckSMEG

(frank) off with this wall of text.

Part of me wants the Canucks to lose tonight. If Canucks do make a series of it , fans and Management can say , it wasn't that bad.

Most of us faithfuls realize this team needs a kick in the ass and new faces. I want Benning and WD to witness first hand how far we are from being an elite PO team.

The only players I seen raise their game in this playoffs were Hamhuis Burrows Sedins and Bo. Mostly everyone else has been MIA. I don't blame Lack either . He has not been great ,nor is he the reason we are down.
- VANTEL

I agree, neither team was supposed to make the playoffs so everything from here on out is gravy. The injuries although not an excuse for either team are significant. Imagine the injuries we haven't heard about huh.

Part of me wants the Canucks to lose tonight. If Canucks do make a series of it , fans and Management can say , it wasn't that bad.

Most of us faithfuls realize this team needs a kick in the ass and new faces. I want Benning and WD to witness first hand how far we are from being an elite PO team.

The only player I seen raise their game in this playoffs were Hamhuis Burrows Sedins and Bo. Mostly everyone else has been MIA. I don't blame Lack either . He has not been great ,nor is he the reason we are down.
- VANTEL

Benning will be watching the tape, over and over again... I have some faith that after one season he has an idea who is a keeper and who isn't. The guy is supposed to be a good evaluator of talent, hope he has a critical eye when looking at his own players.

And don't forget the trophy, wes wants mores.

Let me be clear. When I said "no business making the playoffs" I'm speaking about the ability to compete. I'm not being literal.

From what I saw last night...

Jets should have been able to win one out of desperation. Just one. Especially last night. The best teams face adversity and concur it.

That's why I think the fans continued to cheer because they knew their team couldn't compete against a contender and they were appreciative of the effort.
- bloatedmosquito

Fair enough, like I said in the post above, Ive been disappointed with the last 2 games but still pretty stoked to be watching my team playing right now. I also think that this team has the ability to win tonight. Call me a fool, a homer or delusional but I still see Calgary as a very beatable opponent.

Fair enough, like I said in the post above, Ive been disappointed with the last 2 games but still pretty stoked to be watching my team playing right now. I also think that this team has the ability to win tonight. Call me a fool, a homer or delusional but I still see Calgary as a very beatable opponent.
- belcherbd

Yup its been fun hyping up every game in the playoffs! I missed this last year feeling like every goal and shift mattered in a game. I feel the same about Calgary being beatable. I picked Canucks in 5 assuming they would play most games like they did in Game 2, plus winning one they shouldnt have

Benning will be watching the tape, over and over again... I have some faith that after one season he has an idea who is a keeper and who isn't. The guy is supposed to be a good evaluator of talent, hope he has a critical eye when looking at his own players.

And don't forget the trophy, wes wants mores.
- hillbillydeluxe

I have lots of faith in JB and WD. Trader jim was aggressive last year and I feel will be even more aggressive this year

For me, the Jets were in every game. They were leading and were engaged throughout. The Nashville series has been fast paced between two really good teams, with the winner having the chance to really go far. I think the disappointment is that neither Calgary or Vancouver are Cup threats and this was Van's best opportunity Van to win a series. Their performances have been below what they are capable, outside of Game 2, during a time of year when you should be able to bring your best
- WhiteLie

Well said.

Yup its been fun hyping up every game in the playoffs! I missed this last year feeling like every goal and shift mattered in a game. I feel the same about Calgary being beatable. I picked Canucks in 5 assuming they would play most games like they did in Game 2, plus winning one they shouldnt have
- WhiteLie

I thought Canucks would win in 6 , that was before I knew they had superstars like Ferland Bollig and Engelland. I never expected Vezina quality goaltending from Hiller.

Canucks have a way of making ordinary players into stars. We may have been better off playing the Kings

I dont think comparing their regular season stats to playoff stats indicates whether they are good or not. They are leading their team in scoring every regular and playoff season, a better indication of playoff hockey where stricter line-matching occurs.
I think the easiest comparison is comparing the points per game of someone like Jason Williams, who is considered a big playoff performer and see they out produce him. People will always be tough on them, they could definitely be better, but that cant be labeled as poor
- WhiteLie

Don't get me wrong here, absolutely would not complain about having them on my team. What a play by Burke to get those guys. Set the Canucks up for years. As an organization the failure was always who plays with those two and if it was easy to find someone, every team would. The unfortunate thing tonight is the key injury to Burrows. In my opinion Burrows is great on that line. How long until Vrbata jumps up tonight and how does that impact the 2nd line? So far in this series the top lines have cancelled each other out. Line matching is key. Now who has the best role players aka bottom 6? #79?

Part of me wants the Canucks to lose tonight. If Canucks do make a series of it , fans and Management can say , it wasn't that bad.

Most of us faithfuls realize this team needs a kick in the ass and new faces. I want Benning and WD to witness first hand how far we are from being an elite PO team.

The only players I seen raise their game in this playoffs were Hamhuis Burrows Sedins and Bo. Mostly everyone else has been MIA. I don't blame Lack either . He has not been great ,nor is he the reason we are down.
- VANTEL

I agree.

How can anyone visit HFBoards? That place is as bad as the TSN comment section. I'll never forget this beauty:

To Toronto:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

To Montreal:
Toronto Maple Leafs 1st 2013
Toronto Maple Leafs 2nd 2013
Cody Franson

To Edmonton:
Jake Gardiner
PK Subban

It's unbelievable someone would even post that.
- bloatedmosquito

Yeah..... Its ridiculous to begin with. And uhhhh, Cody Franson isnt a Leaf. That would kind of help..

Fair enough, like I said in the post above, Ive been disappointed with the last 2 games but still pretty stoked to be watching my team playing right now. I also think that this team has the ability to win tonight. Call me a fool, a homer or delusional but I still see Calgary as a very beatable opponent.
- belcherbd

Me too. I'm stunned that the canucks haven't been able to put up much of a fight.

It's mind boggling that this team is still being out hustled, out muscled, and out worked especially after the Boston series. Have we not been talking about this deficiency for years now?

If professional hockey teams conformed to the same principles as private businesses, then half the teams in the league would be out of business by now.

(frank) off with this wall of text.
- bloatedmosquito

Sorry man, had a lot to say, I'll keep'er as short as I can next time. Just had a Mocha and ... yeah you get it.

Me too. I'm stunned that the canucks haven't been able to put up much of a fight.

It's mind boggling that this team is still being out hustled, out muscled, and out worked especially after the Boston series. Have we not been talking about this deficiency for years now?

If professional hockey teams conformed to the same principles as private businesses, then half the teams in the league would be out of business by now.
- bloatedmosquito

Should we be surprised though? We beat the Pens NYR Bost NYI and lose to NJD and Buf.

It has been like that through good parts of the year

Sorry man, had a lot to say, I'll keep'er as short as I can next time. Just had a Mocha and ... yeah you get it.
- CanuckSMEG

You must have a MBA.

Anyone hear the 1040 interview with Benning today? Did he say anything important?

Should we be surprised though? We beat the Pens NYR Bost NYI and lose to NJD and Buf.

It has been like that through good parts of the year
- VANTEL

For years now I've been hearing "the canucks play to the level of their competition"

(frank)ing horse poop. Absolute (frank)ing donkey piss. That crap drives me crazy.

Good teams beat lesser teams. If they don't they ain't better. The only consistent thing about the canucks over the past few years is inconsistency. Whose fault is that? I have no idea.

Peter Mrazek. Now there's an example of creative coaching that paid off. $5m man Jimmy Howard can only watch and take notes. Hopefully Miller took some notes as well.

Anyone hear the 1040 interview with Benning today? Did he say anything important?
- VANTEL

He just traded Bieksa for Troy Brouwer.

For years now I've been hearing "the canucks play to the level of their competition"

(frank)ing horse poop. Absolute (frank)ing donkey piss. That crap drives me crazy.

Good teams beat lesser teams. If they don't they ain't better. The only consistent thing about the canucks over the past few years is inconsistency. Whose fault is that? I have no idea.
- bloatedmosquito

Yup it is not like this is the first year it happened. The same results happen year after year, and coaches get blamed.

This team needs a tear down and rebuild. No one should be safe aside from the twins or Bo