A discussion? Sure. A response and "troll" catcalls. No, really, I wasn't.
- John Jaeckel

100% you were trolling and being a blogger, you know better

this hit, deserves a suspension, but the havlat hit was clean so idk what your problem is in acting like kronwall is habitual in playing dirty

furthermore its literally bias and stupid to say that wings get special treatment because what "theyre afraid of ilitch" ?? come on man, be better than that

Although the principal point of contact is the head, Kucherov needs to do a better job keeping his head up. He had plenty of time to see that Kronwall was coming yet he chose to reach for the puck around Kronwall.

You can see that Kronwall has the elbow tucked in by his side and feet are on the ice when he makes contact.

I hate to see guys injured and hate concussions. If you want to give him a two for hit to the head, fine, but no way this deserves a suspension.

Kucherov needs to do better keeping his head up. Especially being near the boards.
- l3ig_l2ecl

This is the worst replay analysis I think I've ever read. He clearly hops off his back foot to correct his angle so he can get a better piece of K. Unfortunately his launch off his back foot is basically him jumping into Kucherov's head. Regardless of whether K's head was down, the onus is still on the player to avoid the head contact if possible. In this case not only did Kronwall not make any attempt to avoid the head contact, he actually pivoted and launched off his back-foot in order to specifically cause the contact to the head. Otherwise Kronwall would've went too deep into the boards and barely clipped Kuch who was cutting more towards the middle.

If you can't see that then you are blinder than a mother-(frank)ing bat and absolutely hopeless.

- Sandus

okay you got me there, forgot about that one. Guess I should have said it was the first time someone has been kronwalled in years while he was wearing the winged wheel.

Uh oh...

http://www.freep.com/stor...nwall-check-nhl/26504971/

Uh oh...

http://www.freep.com/stor...nwall-check-nhl/26504971/
- Tanuki

we already knew this, no one expects him to play game 7

we already knew this, no one expects him to play game 7
- digitalbath

I will be surprised if he is suspended...shocked actually. He will get fined but I doubt he gets suspended since he doesn't have a history.

This is the worst replay analysis I think I've ever read. He clearly hops off his back foot to correct his angle so he can get a better piece of K. Unfortunately his launch off his back foot is basically him jumping into Kucherov's head. Regardless of whether K's head was down, the onus is still on the player to avoid the head contact if possible. In this case not only did Kronwall not make any attempt to avoid the head contact, he actually pivoted and launched off his back-foot in order to specifically cause the contact to the head. Otherwise Kronwall would've went too deep into the boards and barely clipped Kuch who was cutting more towards the middle.

If you can't see that then you are blinder than a mother-(frank)ing bat and absolutely hopeless.
- RonPielep

Wow....

Look at you trying to explain science without understanding science....

He had his feet on the ice. Kucherov was bent down having a very low center of gravity. The force of Kucherov hitting Kronwall below his center of gravity forced his legs upwards.

He did not jump into him. You claim to not be as blind as a mother-(frank)ing bat, but I'm having doubts.
Or maybe you see clear but are just that (frank)ing retarded.

Uh oh...

http://www.freep.com/stor...nwall-check-nhl/26504971/
- Tanuki

You couldn't have linked an article to a "journalist" any worse than HSJ

I will be surprised if he is suspended...shocked actually. He will get fined but I doubt he gets suspended since he doesn't have a history.
- uf1910

I think he should get 1 game, to make a point, i truly dont believe he targeted his head nor threw a bad elbow,

Its obvious he left his feet prior to contact and that alone deserves 1 game,

i just find it comical people are complaining the wings are such a dirty team, all because of one unintentional although dirty hit, not defending it, but the wings are one of the less physical and definitely far from dirty teams

boston? lucic? thats dirty, hitting a guy in the cup with your stick, that deserves more of a suspension than this, Raffi torres? Matt cooke?! those are dirty players

again im not defending the hit, give him 1 game, but i am growing really tired of people making it out like they should throw the book at this guy because hes just such a gutless player?

of course i am biased, i want my wings to win but i believe in fair play and dont think any player deserves to be looked past when they break rules.

Kucherov didn't stay down cause our guys don't flop all over the ice trying to get calls. No respect for Detroit anymore. Dive more than the Penguins.
- omatty44

http://twitter.com/myregularface/status/592855527056678914/photo/1

Here is the moment of contact... feet on ice, forearm in chest.
- StargateSG1

Right foot still on the ice and the toe of his left is on the ice and his forearm is contacting the chest not the head.

Wow....

Look at you trying to explain science without understanding science....

He had his feet on the ice. Kucherov was bent down having a very low center of gravity. The force of Kucherov hitting Kronwall below his center of gravity forced his legs upwards.

He did not jump into him. You claim to not be as blind as a mother-(frank)ing bat, but I'm having doubts.
Or maybe you see clear but are just that (frank)ing retarded.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Did you just say the force of Kucherov hitting Kron is what lifted Kronwall? (frank) sakes this sight never gets old

You are pathetic man, he clearly launched himself into Kuch by pushing off his back foot when his front is already in the air. The upwards motion is already initiated before any contact because Kron had to jump in order to make better contact with the hit.

I think he should get 1 game, to make a point, i truly dont believe he targeted his head nor threw a bad elbow,

Its obvious he left his feet prior to contact and that alone deserves 1 game,

i just find it comical people are complaining the wings are such a dirty team, all because of one unintentional although dirty hit, not defending it, but the wings are one of the less physical and definitely far from dirty teams

boston? lucic? thats dirty, hitting a guy in the cup with your stick, that deserves more of a suspension than this, Raffi torres? Matt cooke?! those are dirty players

again im not defending the hit, give him 1 game, but i am growing really tired of people making it out like they should throw the book at this guy because hes just such a gutless player?

of course i am biased, i want my wings to win but i believe in fair play and dont think any player deserves to be looked past when they break rules.
- digitalbath

I don`t think that the majority are questioning the play of the Wings. The focus is on Kronwall and Kronwall`s history of questionable hits speaks for itself. Hopefully the league gets it right this time and that Kronwall`s suspension history begins today.

Did you just say the force of Kucherov hitting Kron is what lifted Kronwall? (frank) sakes this sight never gets old

You are pathetic man, he clearly launched himself into Kuch by pushing off his back foot when his front is already in the air. The upwards motion is already initiated before any contact because Kron had to jump in order to make better contact with the hit.
- RonPielep

Here for you to understand a bit more how the laws of science work for you.



Or are you going to say the deer jumped?

Right foot still on the ice and the toe of his left is on the ice and his forearm is contacting the chest not the head.
- wingsfan019

Schedule a visit with your optometrist.

Here for you to understand a bit more how the laws of science work for you.



Or are you going to say the deer jumped?
- l3ig_l2ecl

His shoulders have already risen about 6 inches before his arm even fully recoils to his side from the impact. That lift came from his legs, not from Kucherov's aerodynamic contours. But thanks for playing...

Here for you to understand a bit more how the laws of science work for you.



Or are you going to say the deer jumped?
- l3ig_l2ecl

Not to mention if you seriously think that GIF explains the science of the hit you need to go back to whatever (frank)ed up grade 7 science class you think you learned that in and pass it this time.

His shoulders have already risen about 6 inches before his arm even fully recoils to his side from the impact. That lift came from his legs, not from Kucherov's aerodynamic contours. But thanks for playing...

- RonPielep

Oh, give it a rest already.
Subban didn't even have a call with the DOPS about his "intent to injure" slash.

Oh, give it a rest already.
Subban didn't even have a call with the DOPS about his "intent to injure" slash.
- StargateSG1

Meh I'm not too worked up about it. It's just interesting to read about the reason why Karlsson wasn't suspended (simply because he couldn't do much else to avoid the head contact) and comparing that to this hit. This hit is a much more blatant targeting of the head IMO (just because of how Kron shifts his positioning to make the contact), so I think it will be really interesting to see their reasoning if they don't suspend it. They are slowly starting to set a precedent in the opposite direction now (i.e. if your head is down you're fair game). Whereas until now they have been trying to make the person throwing the hit (at least somewhat) responsible for avoiding the head contact. This now seems much harder to enforce consistently in some playoff situations than I think the league would have previously thought.

Good on Kucherov for getting right up, but the rest of your post is garbage. Go complain in your own thread. I don't have any issue with people being mad over the hit, but the embellishment thing is happening in every game in every series by every team. Including yours.
- Striker7

You can't be serious. There's no way you can sit here and honestly say Tampa has embellished for calls in this series.

Good on Kucherov for getting right up, but the rest of your post is garbage. Go complain in your own thread. I don't have any issue with people being mad over the hit, but the embellishment thing is happening in every game in every series by every team. Including yours.
- Striker7

You can't be serious. There's no way you can sit here and honestly say Tampa has embellished for calls in this series.

You can't be serious. There's no way you can sit here and honestly say Tampa has embellished for calls in this series.
- omatty44

You can't be serious that your team is the only one who doesn't embellish. We can do this all day if you like.

EDIT: Just so that we are on the same page with the idea of embellishment, here are some common things that I see in nearly every NHL game, and more in the playoffs: Throwing the head back to get the ref's attention and not from the force of the stick contact, legs coming out from under a player to make sure any kind of hooking is noticed (or to make it look far worse than it is), or throwing your weight backwards if a player has a loose hand on you to attempt to show how off balance you are. This happens all the time.

Ha, love it! Had one of the Bolts put that hit on Pavel, Hank or gasp, one of the "Kids" something tells me you'd have a problem with it.
- HawkintheD

For most wings fans I'd say yes that's very true, but honestly for me a big hard hit like the one last night is a good play but gets all this bad media cause most hockey fans relate all crushing hits good or bad as a dirty play every time and that's what annoys me most. Even if Datsyuk or Z got caught with their head down like that I wouldn't be on here crying saying it was dirty. A good hard hit is a good hard hit.

For most wings fans I'd say yes that's very true, but honestly for me a big hard hit like the one last night is a good play but gets all this bad media cause most hockey fans relate all crushing hits good or bad as a dirty play every time and that's what annoys me most. Even if Datsyuk or Z got caught with their head down like that I wouldn't be on here crying saying it was dirty. A good hard hit is a good hard hit.
- Pasha13

True. A good hard hit is a good hard hit. But a good hard hit is NOT one in which you leave your feet, make initial contact to the head, and extend your elbow. C'mon, you know the rules.