I don`t think that the majority are questioning the play of the Wings. The focus is on Kronwall and Kronwall`s history of questionable hits speaks for itself. Hopefully the league gets it right this time and that Kronwall`s suspension history begins today.
- 67hawks

see this i do not agree with, you sound like your mad about prior hits, which arent in question and basically none of them, whether you liked the hit or not have been "dirty, suspend-able offenses"

his hits yes, always look worse than they are, but truly he hasnt done anything that justified a suspension prior to last night.

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Wow....

Look at you trying to explain science without understanding science....

He had his feet on the ice. Kucherov was bent down having a very low center of gravity. The force of Kucherov hitting Kronwall below his center of gravity forced his legs upwards.

He did not jump into him. You claim to not be as blind as a mother-(frank)ing bat, but I'm having doubts.
Or maybe you see clear but are just that (frank)ing retarded.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Science lesson from someone who understands science.

First bold point: He had one foot on the ice and upward momentum.

Bold italics: Hitting Kronwall below his center of mass (not gravity) would cause rotational torque, not any type of upward thrust at all. Let's also ignore the fact that the point of impact on Kronwall was his upper body and therefore above his center of mass, which again, would cause rotation were it not for a) the pre-existing linear momentum and b) the compensation by Kronwall's extended arms.

Second bolded point: Bats are not blind. They see just fine, and have better nightvision than humans.

Bonus point: The reason the deer flies upward in your "evidence" is due to the angle of impact of the flat surface of the much heavier car, forcing the deer off perpendicularly to the surface. It then rolls (because its feet were not on the ground) and accumulates rotational inertia that causes it to stay behind long enough for the air draft from the car to catch it and suck it backwards, thus the deer appears to fly directly upwards.

For more evidence of why your "science understanding" is wrong, I suggest standing in front of a bus and crouching very low to see that the bus does not in fact fly upwards in the air.

For most wings fans I'd say yes that's very true, but honestly for me a big hard hit like the one last night is a good play but gets all this bad media cause most hockey fans relate all crushing hits good or bad as a dirty play every time and that's what annoys me most. Even if Datsyuk or Z got caught with their head down like that I wouldn't be on here crying saying it was dirty. A good hard hit is a good hard hit.
- Pasha13

Krom's hit was hard but not good... and I'm cheering for the Wings in this series. But as we've seen, even rules (such as an instigator in the last 5 minutes of a game warranteeing a suspension not get a suspension), this will not either. A small fine (by pro-athlete standards) finger wag and a "this is your last warning" lecture...

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- dcz28

Yup, this deserved 2 for leaving the feet (charging). However with no arm extension and the fact Glendenning was in a vulnerable position I can't say this deserves anything more than 2 for leaving his feet. Without the contact from Johnson there is no contact with the head at all ("losing the physical battle" which Tampa fans are all too familiar with). If you feel I am wrong in this assessment then I am all ears

I think the thing that gets lost in all of this is the actual impact of concussions. To us, these players are just entertainment and something to devote interest to. However, after reading reading the article on Deadspin about Franzen and his concussion problems, these players are far more than just athletes. Franzen talked about being stuck in bed for two months and not being able to play with his kids. It may not be popular, but we have to get head shots out of the game. The onus has to be on the hitting player. Kucherov seemed fine, but it won't always turn out that way.

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- dcz28

this hit is pretty awful too. It does put the kronwall hit into perspective.

Two players throw hits like that kronwall and matt cooke. one gets praised the other geets 25 games.

Two players throw hits like that kronwall and matt cooke. one gets praised the other geets 25 games.
- Grinder47

You are saying Matt Cooke and Niklas Kronwall do the same things? I didn't like Kronwall's hit but that is a ridiculous notion. Blatant and reckless are very different things.

Yup, this deserved 2 for leaving the feet (charging). However with no arm extension and the fact Glendenning was in a vulnerable position I can't say this deserves anything more than 2 for leaving his feet. Without the contact from Johnson there is no contact with the head at all ("losing the physical battle" which Tampa fans are all too familiar with). If you feel I am wrong in this assessment then I am all ears
- uf1910

I think your wrong, he doesnt even deserve 2 games. He deserves 1

You are saying Matt Cooke and Niklas Kronwall do the same things? I didn't like Kronwall's hit but that is a ridiculous notion. Blatant and reckless are very different things.
- Striker7

Very few people are at Matt Cooke's level. Kronwall isn't one of them, but some of his hits are borderline and should be addressed.

Kronwall needs to finally be brought to justice

I think your wrong, he doesnt even deserve 2 games. He deserves 1
- digitalbath

Touche

Very few people are at Matt Cooke's level. Kronwall isn't one of them, but some of his hits are borderline and should be addressed.
- Artyukhin76

If you took the time to read my previous comments, you will see that in more than one post that I believe he should be suspended for Game 7. I was merely pointing out that such a comparison is ridiculous.

If you took the time to read my previous comments, you will see that in more than one post that I believe he should be suspended for Game 7. I was merely pointing out that such a comparison is ridiculous.
- Striker7

As was I. Kronwall isn't Cooke. Settle down, I was agreeing with you.

As was I. Kronwall isn't Cooke. Settle down, I was agreeing with you.
- Artyukhin76

I wasn't worked up.

Yup, this deserved 2 for leaving the feet (charging). However with no arm extension and the fact Glendenning was in a vulnerable position I can't say this deserves anything more than 2 for leaving his feet. Without the contact from Johnson there is no contact with the head at all ("losing the physical battle" which Tampa fans are all too familiar with). If you feel I am wrong in this assessment then I am all ears
- uf1910

Johnson had nothing to do with Palat hitting him in the head and his vulnerable position was better than Kucherov who went low when he saw the hit was coming.

Just funny how things look so different when a Tampa player is doing it but when it's the dirty Wings a player must be suspended

All of the crying needs to stop. This is what we call an open ice hit. I know a lot of people get excited when a player crushes another against the boards, right. That's a big, huge hit. Try leveling an opposing player on open ice, little different. Takes a bit more of a man to do that. Scott Stevens said it best. When asked earlier in the season who currently playing reminded him of himself, he replied, "Detroits Niklas Kronwall". He said lining up a hit on open ice is so much more difficult than using the boards to paste an opponent, and he is right. He went on to say that there are few players that can truly hit on open ice. Thank you Mr. Stevens. I appreciate that from one of the best defenders Ive ever seen. And thank you Mr. Kronwall for keeping old time hockey a reality. Please forgive Tampa fans...after all they are Tampa fans.

Johnson had nothing to do with Palat hitting him in the head and his vulnerable position was better than Kucherov who went low when he saw the hit was coming.

Just funny how things look so different when a Tampa player is doing it but when it's the dirty Wings a player must be suspended
- dcz28

Actually I have stated I don't think he should be suspended and for that matter don't want him to b/c he has no history but hey I guess reading much less comprehending what I wrote isn't important

Johnson does have an impact on Glen's positioning, that is ridiculous to say otherwise. They made contact and Glen was turned a bit as a result leaving him in a vulnerable position. Had TJ not made contact and Glen standing up along the boards it would have been shoulder to shoulder. Again, I didn't say it wasn't deserving of a penalty for charging (leaving his feet in the act of delivering a body check), a suspension however Palat's arm never left his side and whether you want to agree or not the contact with TJ left Glen in a vulnerable position (again "losing the physical battle") resulted in the head contact. In this case had Palat not jumped there would have been head contact due to the vulnerable position.

Also Kucherov never "ducked" into the hit. I don't know where you are getting that from. He had his head down and thus didn't see the hit coming but ducking just before the hit, yeah not so much

So what were you saying about how things look so different?

And if Kronwall not being suspended is a failure on the leagues part, what do you call the non suspension of P.K. Subban? He used his stick like an ax or baseball bat and received no suspension, even after the on ice official gave him the gate. I would think a player unable to control himself by not using his stick as a weapon is much more severe than dissecting an open ice hit.

All of the crying needs to stop. This is what we call an open ice hit. I know a lot of people get excited when a player crushes another against the boards, right. That's a big, huge hit. Try leveling an opposing player on open ice, little different. Takes a bit more of a man to do that. Scott Stevens said it best. When asked earlier in the season who currently playing reminded him of himself, he replied, "Detroits Niklas Kronwall". He said lining up a hit on open ice is so much more difficult than using the boards to paste an opponent, and he is right. He went on to say that there are few players that can truly hit on open ice. Thank you Mr. Stevens. I appreciate that from one of the best defenders Ive ever seen. And thank you Mr. Kronwall for keeping old time hockey a reality. Please forgive Tampa fans...after all they are Tampa fans.
- jmarseph

It's a borderline hit. No intent and no history should equal no suspension, but then again with DPoS who the (frank) knows. Fine him so it is on record in the future that hitting "upwards" into a player can't be acceptable as inevitably it will lead to head contact which according to the NHL they are trying to eliminate. He didn't jump into the hit, but he jumped b/c of the hit (thus my upwards comment) which simple physics means will more often than not lead to head contact. Scott Stephens has many of the great hockey hits ever known, however that doesn't change the fact that some if not many of them would now be deemed illegal hits. The game has evolved in some ways and when it comes to ending careers with concussions it needed to. Not all can be avoided no matter what rules are in place (contact sport) but some can be prevented and checks to the head have to be near the top of the list

Actually I have stated I don't think he should be suspended and for that matter don't want him to b/c he has no history but hey I guess reading much less comprehending what I wrote isn't important

Johnson does have an impact on Glen's positioning, that is ridiculous to say otherwise. They made contact and Glen was turned a bit as a result leaving him in a vulnerable position. Had TJ not made contact and Glen standing up along the boards it would have been shoulder to shoulder. Again, I didn't say it wasn't deserving of a penalty for charging (leaving his feet in the act of delivering a body check), a suspension however Palat's arm never left his side and whether you want to agree or not the contact with TJ left Glen in a vulnerable position (again "losing the physical battle") resulted in the head contact. In this case had Palat not jumped there would have been head contact due to the vulnerable position.

Also Kucherov never "ducked" into the hit. I don't know where you are getting that from. He had his head down and thus didn't see the hit coming but ducking just before the hit, yeah not so much

So what were you saying about how things look so different?
- uf1910

Sorry for not reading everything you post but I have a life and following what you have to say isn't part of it

Yeah Johnson touching Glendenning had everything to do with Palat jumping up to hit him in the head Without Johnson Palat doesn't jump up right? Geez some of you guys really are something. Doesn't surprise me that you're a season ticket holder on this site...that always explains a lot.

And if Kronwall not being suspended is a failure on the leagues part, what do you call the non suspension of P.K. Subban? He used his stick like an ax or baseball bat and received no suspension, even after the on ice official gave him the gate. I would think a player unable to control himself by not using his stick as a weapon is much more severe than dissecting an open ice hit.
- jmarseph

Department of Player "Safety" for the bold

I believe that if Kronwall is suspended then that is a failure by the DPoS. Kronwall has no history and without leading with the elbow (the arm extension was protection as much as part of the hit) I can't say there was intent. Fine him and move on I say. I just don't see how they can allow some of the other poop to go without discipline and turn around and suspend Kronwall for a borderline hit.

Sorry for not reading everything you post but I have a life and following what you have to say isn't part of it

Yeah Johnson touching Glendenning had everything to do with Palat jumping up to hit him in the head Without Johnson Palat doesn't jump up right? Geez some of you guys really are something. Doesn't surprise me that you're a season ticket holder on this site...that always explains a lot.
- dcz28

Ok, please watch the posted link. Watch Glendenning. When TJ and he make contact Glen is slightly turned and knocked off-balance leaning backwards thus lowering the level of his head. NOWHERE did I state that the contact with Johnson led Palat to jump nor did I say he wouldn't have. Again, HE DESERVED A 2 MINUTE PENALTY FOR CHARGING (leaving his feet to deliver a body check). However if Glen is standing up straight (without the contact from TJ) I don't see how the jump from Palat is enough to end up with contact to the head. Again, with no arm/elbow extension it would have been shoulder to shoulder even with the jump. They are both listed at 5'11" and even with the jump he would have to extend his arm/elbow to make the head the principal point of contact. I can't make my point any clearer nor do I think I could be much more objective towards either hit.

Ok, please watch the posted link. Watch Glendenning. When TJ and he make contact Glen is slightly turned and knocked off-balance leaning backwards thus lowering the level of his head. NOWHERE did I state that the contact with Johnson led Palat to jump nor did I say he wouldn't have. Again, HE DESERVED A 2 MINUTE PENALTY FOR CHARGING (leaving his feet to deliver a body check). However if Glen is standing up straight (without the contact from TJ) I don't see how the jump from Palat is enough to end up with contact to the head. Again, with no arm/elbow extension it would have been shoulder to shoulder even with the jump. They are both listed at 5'11" and even with the jump he would have to extend his arm/elbow to make the head the principal point of contact. I can't make my point any clearer nor do I think I could be much more objective towards either hit.
- uf1910

I don't need to watch the link since I'm the one that posted it. I'm not sure if you have ever played hockey but players handling the puck and skating pretty much always lean forward and are rarely up straight. That's what Glendening and Kucherov were both doing which is why both were lower on the hits. Johnson had nothing to do with it and Palat would have still hit him in the head even if Johnson had not even been there. Even without the jump he still would have hit Glendening in the head but with his shoulder instead of tucked in elbow.

You want to get rid of head contact then you have to get rid of hitting because it will always happen especially with the size differences in players and how a player has to lean forward, bend the knees to skate and stick handle. If the league wants to make a difference with head injuries without taking out hitting then they should start by banning those armor plated elbow pads and shoulder pads that are not meant to protect but to be used as a weapon. Those things absorb none of the impacts just like the old cars with fixed iron bumpers. Equipment that absorbs some of the impact wouldn't stop all head injuries but it likely would help and be a good start for safety without taking out hitting.