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HomestyleMelt
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 09.16.2012

Apr 28 @ 9:08 PM ET
What about palat? What about paquette slew footing our goalie and then Datsyuk and then stamkos doing it again? Conveniently on our best players in the series. Or karlsson on beaulieu? Or anyone in the nyi/wsh series like the guy who intentionally injured visnovsky... Or engelland attacking two canucks players to send a message? Subban on stone? Or prust spearing the goalie when they were down? So stupid. If you're gonna suspend this then there are multiple other players who should have been disciplined.
Dudestar
Location: NY
Joined: 09.09.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
and ur a (frank)ing sabres fan...
- wingz4life


I like three teams sue me
ShooterMcGavin
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Stolen Colon, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
It's sucks but at least get the call right, it wasn't a charge it was a head shot. If the Wings players rolled around on the ice more there could have been suspensions the other way as well. (frank)ing poopty as hell but it was deserved.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:16 PM ET
What about palat? What about paquette slew footing our goalie and then Datsyuk and then stamkos doing it again? Conveniently on our best players in the series. Or karlsson on beaulieu? Or anyone in the nyi/wsh series like the guy who intentionally injured visnovsky... Or engelland attacking two canucks players to send a message? Subban on stone? Or prust spearing the goalie when they were down? So stupid. If you're gonna suspend this then there are multiple other players who should have been disciplined.
- HomestyleMelt


I think that's the crux of the issue there (at least in my opinion); it's not that the Kronwall hit is regarded by most as being clean, it's that there have been other incidents that merited action as well. Personally I believe that the punishment on the hit is about right, but there definitely could/should(?) have been many others handed out both in this series, and in others...
ShooterMcGavin
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Stolen Colon, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
I like three teams sue me
- Dudestar

You're a terrible hockey fan. You should go (frank) yourself
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Apr 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
I think that's the crux of the issue there (at least in my opinion); it's not that the Kronwall hit is regarded by most as being clean, it's that there have been other incidents that merited action as well. Personally I believe that the punishment on the hit is about right, but there definitely could/should(?) have been many others handed out both in this series, and in others...
- lumlums


Consider it a lifetime achievement award.
ShooterMcGavin
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Stolen Colon, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:22 PM ET
Consider it a lifetime achievement award.
- MartiniMan

See above post
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:24 PM ET
Consider it a lifetime achievement award.
- MartiniMan

ShooterMcGavin
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Stolen Colon, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:27 PM ET

- lumlums

I hope Perry Kronwalls that little Thai lady boy Johnny Hockey. Dirtiest player in the game and I'd love him in Detroit
OzBolts
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 05.09.2013

Apr 28 @ 9:31 PM ET
Yeah... I don't know how much I like this.

For one, there wasn't an intent to injure. It looks like Kronwall DID hit Kuch high, but not intentionally. That said, there have been far worse things to happen in the playoffs to this point. I mean, if this is a suspension, did PK get away with one?

For two, if we win tomorrow, I'll never hear the end of "If Kronwall was there, it never would have happened, so your victory is meaningless" trolling for the next year...

For three, it's the playoffs. Tempers run high, and physicality is the letter of the day. It's not like this was a Cooke-esque "lets kill someone" kind of play, it was just Kronwall finishing his check and maybe being a little careless about it, but I don't believe it was suspension worthy. It's not like my Bolts have been saints out there.

I also love all the slow-mo analysis, as if it means a bloody thing. The game happens at such a fast pace, pinpointing the exact second Kronwall leaves one skate is disingenuous at best. Playing the game doesn't award you the luxury of pushing slow-mo on your own plays.

ShooterMcGavin
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Stolen Colon, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:37 PM ET
Yeah... I don't know how much I like this.

For one, there wasn't an intent to injure. It looks like Kronwall DID hit Kuch high, but not intentionally. That said, there have been far worse things to happen in the playoffs to this point. I mean, if this is a suspension, did PK get away with one?

For two, if we win tomorrow, I'll never hear the end of "If Kronwall was there, it never would have happened, so your victory is meaningless" trolling for the next year...

For three, it's the playoffs. Tempers run high, and physicality is the letter of the day. It's not like this was a Cooke-esque "lets kill someone" kind of play, it was just Kronwall finishing his check and maybe being a little careless about it, but I don't believe it was suspension worthy. It's not like my Bolts have been saints out there.

I also love all the slow-mo analysis, as if it means a bloody thing. The game happens at such a fast pace, pinpointing the exact second Kronwall leaves one skate is disingenuous at best. Playing the game doesn't award you the luxury of pushing slow-mo on your own plays.

- OzBolts


Good post, if you guys win tomorrow you deserve to win. You need to get Stamkos going or you won't get much farther. Good luck tomorrow and let the better team win!
HomestyleMelt
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 09.16.2012

Apr 28 @ 9:39 PM ET
Yeah... I don't know how much I like this.

For one, there wasn't an intent to injure. It looks like Kronwall DID hit Kuch high, but not intentionally. That said, there have been far worse things to happen in the playoffs to this point. I mean, if this is a suspension, did PK get away with one?

For two, if we win tomorrow, I'll never hear the end of "If Kronwall was there, it never would have happened, so your victory is meaningless" trolling for the next year...

For three, it's the playoffs. Tempers run high, and physicality is the letter of the day. It's not like this was a Cooke-esque "lets kill someone" kind of play, it was just Kronwall finishing his check and maybe being a little careless about it, but I don't believe it was suspension worthy. It's not like my Bolts have been saints out there.

I also love all the slow-mo analysis, as if it means a bloody thing. The game happens at such a fast pace, pinpointing the exact second Kronwall leaves one skate is disingenuous at best. Playing the game doesn't award you the luxury of pushing slow-mo on your own plays.

- OzBolts


I have so much respect for that post. I understand that comment threads are a breeding ground for trolls and anyone with an opinion. However usually the ppl who can actually analyze the event aren't bothering to comment. Thank you for taking a second and objectively analyzing the video.
jmarseph
Joined: 04.28.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:46 PM ET
Coming from a Blackhawks fan I am not surprised. How many times has Joel grabbed his crotch in this years playoff?
jmarseph
Joined: 04.28.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:51 PM ET
A Leafs fan, wow, that's impressive. I think most are ok with a suspension as long as its across the board. Maybe you should take off your blinders. When you come across as ignorant you can only be taken as just that.....and you are clearly ignorant. Then again your a Leafs fan so what can we expect. You must still be sour over the fact the league didn't rig the lottery for you. Please leave the fans of playoff teams alone and think about the rebuilding process your team has been going thru for...........well, for a damn long time.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:54 PM ET
A Leafs fan, wow, that's impressive. I think most are ok with a suspension as long as its across the board. Maybe you should take off your blinders. When you come across as ignorant you can only be taken as just that.....and you are clearly ignorant. Then again your a Leafs fan so what can we expect. You must still be sour over the fact the league didn't rig the lottery for you. Please leave the fans of playoff teams alone and think about the rebuilding process your team has been going thru for...........well, for a damn long time.
- jmarseph


Come on man, this is the type of stereotyping that does everybody a disservice. There are plenty of stupid Leaf fans, some of whom are on this forum, but to assume that somebody is stupid because they're a Leafs fan is just flat out, well... stupid.
Jnutz
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 02.27.2014

Apr 28 @ 9:54 PM ET
Coming from a Blackhawks fan I am not surprised. How many times has Joel grabbed his crotch in this years playoff?
- jmarseph


Enough times to make JJ stick a broom up his ass
ShooterMcGavin
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Stolen Colon, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 28 @ 9:54 PM ET
A Leafs fan, wow, that's impressive. I think most are ok with a suspension as long as its across the board. Maybe you should take off your blinders. When you come across as ignorant you can only be taken as just that.....and you are clearly ignorant. Then again your a Leafs fan so what can we expect. You must still be sour over the fact the league didn't rig the lottery for you. Please leave the fans of playoff teams alone and think about the rebuilding process your team has been going thru for...........well, for a damn long time.
- jmarseph

What's your main account?
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 28 @ 10:03 PM ET
What's your main account?
- ShooterMcGavin

fishbulb
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.28.2009

Apr 28 @ 10:04 PM ET
Don't care about either team, so I consider myself fairly un-biased.

MANY of Kronwall's hits are fine... they're huge, entertaining, Rob Blake type hits. No problem with many of them.

SOME of Kronwall's hits aren't fine... He jumps just before the point of impact. That's illegal, no discussion.

This recent hit was illegal. He jumped. Does he always? no. Did he this time? Yes.

IMO, there are a few from the past that should've resulted in a suspension as well. But just because they didn't, doesn't mean THIS one shouldn't either.

It doesn't matter what else was let go, or what team you cheer for. Jumping before a hit is illegal. If he doesn't want to risk suspension, don't jump.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 28 @ 10:08 PM ET
Don't care about either team, so I consider myself fairly un-biased.

MANY of Kronwall's hits are fine... they're huge, entertaining, Rob Blake type hits. No problem with many of them.

SOME of Kronwall's hits aren't fine... He jumps just before the point of impact. That's illegal, no discussion.

This recent hit was illegal. He jumped. Does he always? no. Did he this time? Yes.

IMO, there are a few from the past that should've resulted in a suspension as well. But just because they didn't, doesn't mean THIS one shouldn't either.

It doesn't matter what else was let go, or what team you cheer for. Jumping before a hit is illegal. If he doesn't want to risk suspension, don't jump.

- fishbulb




Typically, shoulder/elbow doesn't meet head without the jump. Nobody wants hitting out of the game, they just want to ensure that those who play don't suffer in their later life.
ShooterMcGavin
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Stolen Colon, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 28 @ 10:13 PM ET
Don't care about either team, so I consider myself fairly un-biased.

MANY of Kronwall's hits are fine... they're huge, entertaining, Rob Blake type hits. No problem with many of them.

SOME of Kronwall's hits aren't fine... He jumps just before the point of impact. That's illegal, no discussion.

This recent hit was illegal. He jumped. Does he always? no. Did he this time? Yes.

IMO, there are a few from the past that should've resulted in a suspension as well. But just because they didn't, doesn't mean THIS one shouldn't either.

It doesn't matter what else was let go, or what team you cheer for. Jumping before a hit is illegal. If he doesn't want to risk suspension, don't jump.

- fishbulb



Excellent use of bold letters
TimBits
Montreal Canadiens
Location: AB
Joined: 08.08.2012

Apr 28 @ 10:52 PM ET
It was a legal hit. Another stupid decision by the league. If anything, Kucherov should be suspended for embellishment.
TimBits
Montreal Canadiens
Location: AB
Joined: 08.08.2012

Apr 28 @ 10:53 PM ET
Don't care about either team, so I consider myself fairly un-biased.

MANY of Kronwall's hits are fine... they're huge, entertaining, Rob Blake type hits. No problem with many of them.

SOME of Kronwall's hits aren't fine... He jumps just before the point of impact. That's illegal, no discussion.

This recent hit was illegal. He jumped. Does he always? no. Did he this time? Yes.

IMO, there are a few from the past that should've resulted in a suspension as well. But just because they didn't, doesn't mean THIS one shouldn't either.

It doesn't matter what else was let go, or what team you cheer for. Jumping before a hit is illegal. If he doesn't want to risk suspension, don't jump.

- fishbulb


Look at the hit in slow motion... he didn't jump.
HomestyleMelt
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 09.16.2012

Apr 28 @ 10:57 PM ET
Look at the hit in slow motion... he didn't jump.
- TimBits

Everyone will see it differently. The rule for charging is launching yourself off the ice into a player. Which I didn't see...anyone can sit there and watch it frame by frame to make their own opinion. Many other things equivalent to this have been let go so far which is my issue with it. They are apparently saying that a hockey play (body check) which is still allowed in the NHL if I'm not mistaken....is worse than "sending a message". Watch Prust spear Anderson when they were down 5-1 and then skate off saying "see you monday" or Engelland attacking two Canucks....Apparently a non hockey play like that isn't as bad as a guy missing someones shoulder by two inches. That's not even close to charging.
fishbulb
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.28.2009

Apr 28 @ 10:57 PM ET
Look at the hit in slow motion... he didn't jump.
- TimBits


http://thehockeywriters.c...er-look-at-kronwalls-hit/

I did... and in my opinion he's 'lifting off' before the hit. He leaps into the guy instead of going through him. He doesn't get thrown into the air b/c of the hit... he gets thrown into the air because he is jumping.

Obviously we see it differently from each other, but I'm glad he got something.
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