I don't care what the stats say, I don't want Semin on this roster.
- madmike71

His stats support why you don't want him on the roster.

57-6-13-19 isn't impressive, even playing for a poopty team in Carolina and he is making 7 mill.

"The Pens on Friday acquired the rights to defenseman Dan Hamhuis from the Philadelphia Flyers for a third-round draft pick in the 2011 draft."

Yeah, it would be wise for Ruth to ship out Martin and Hoff for anything he could get.
- znagle

that would be awesome.

i just think that prenegotiating window they instituted kills that stuff now.

His stats support why you don't want him on the roster.

57-6-13-19 isn't impressive, even playing for a poopty team in Carolina and he is making 7 mill.
- Oneonta Penguin

im a super fan of his talent.

but there are just too many question marks. for me to sign off on taking a flyer on him, he would have to be marked down to ridiculous proportions.

so in all reality, its a pass from me.

This is a deep draft. I thing mgmt.'s #1 goal should be to reacquire as many draft picks in the 2015 draft as possible by moving Sutter, Kunitz, Spaling, and perhaps even Perron. That starts the rebuilding process immediately and, truly, gets you almost a year ahead of schedule in a mini rebuild that puts you in a better place 2 off seasons from now.

And yes, this means relegating the Pens to fringe playoff contender.

I see no answers to our hard questions coming from the following: Semin, Sharpe, Yakupov, Tlusty, Soderberg, Frolik, Franson, Sekera, Winnik, Downie, Lapierre, Comeau, Backes, Oshie, Boedkker, etc...

Look at the names on that list. You could play all of those guys with our D, MAF, and 87/71 and you still aren't winning a Cup.

If Hockybuzz had an emoji for "Empty NHL Jerseys", I'd put it ->
- 87_71_11_29

Those 3 could do A LOT of fixing for the Penguins problems.. I'm not really sure how they don't? I know it'll never happen but...

Oshie-Crosby-Hornqvist
Yakupov-Malkin-Perron
Boedkker-Sutter-Dupuis
Winnik-Spaling-Comeau

would be a pretty god damn deep lineup... deepest the Pens have had in recent years.. and highly skilled too. BUT I am well aware this will never happen given the assets it would take to acquire any of them. But to say a combination of players couldn't help "fix" the Pens is absurd.

1 guy agreed with you 3 times. There's a big difference
- willi

I mostly agree with him multiple times because he actually has reasonable opinions, unlike some people on this board.

I have brought this us three or four times and always get shot down by the same people saying it never happens and won't work. In a poopty free agent pool with only Petry and Franson in Martin's league, I would think someone would give a fourth for him.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah I would try and sign him first. I believe we will sign another D man after we buy out/trade Scuds. Nothing over 4.5 or 2 years would be my limit.

Yeah I would try and sign him first. I believe we will sign another D man after we buy out/trade Scuds. Nothing over 4.5 or 2 years would be my limit.
- znagle

if martin would take 4.5 for 2 years, i would give it to him.

i cant see him doing it though. and for that reason, i say let him walk. try to find someone cheaper and maybe not as good, and avoid a long term deal.

His stats support why you don't want him on the roster.

57-6-13-19 isn't impressive, even playing for a poopty team in Carolina and he is making 7 mill.
- Oneonta Penguin

We need to be less soff. He's the poster child for soff.

im a super fan of his talent.

but there are just too many question marks. for me to sign off on taking a flyer on him, he would have to be marked down to ridiculous proportions.

so in all reality, its a pass from me.
- stayinthefnnet

I don't think anyone can question his talent. It's off the charts ... when he wants to play. I question everything else about him ... attitude, work ethic ... the whole nine yards.

I don't think anyone can question his talent. It's off the charts ... when he wants to play. I question everything else about him ... attitude, work ethic ... the whole nine yards.
- Oneonta Penguin

yep.

we can question malkin's hockey IQ, but i dont really question his effort. the dude cares.

i dont know if the whole russian match all of a sudden ignites a fire under him. Washington did it right. year to year.

for carolina to get me to bite, theyd need to eat close to half as well as take a contract back. at that point, they wouldnt.

im not going to lie though, i am at least intrigued by the idea of sharp.

if martin would take 4.5 for 2 years, i would give it to him.

i cant see him doing it though. and for that reason, i say let him walk. try to find someone cheaper and maybe not as good, and avoid a long term deal.
- stayinthefnnet

Agreed. We could roll

Letang-Martin
Pouliot-Maatta (this line would be interesting)

Or just roll Letang-Maatta and slot the rest

Agreed. We could roll

Letang-Martin
Pouliot-Maatta (this line would be interesting)

Or just roll Letang-Maatta and slot the rest
- znagle

So, Letang is healthy in your mind to do that?

that would be awesome.

i just think that prenegotiating window they instituted kills that stuff now.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree. Players now have time (5 days? ) to listen to offers without having to chose right away for fear of the offer being pulled off the table.

So, Letang is healthy in your mind to do that?
- Oneonta Penguin

Yes. Is Sid healthy in your mind? What about Patrick Kane? You know Kane has only played 69 and 61 games the past 2 years. By your logic they should trade Kane for pennies on the dollar. Didn't Kane just get a fat contract?

Interested in how we not only got Saad, but Lucic too.

I'm assuming Bennet is sent to vancouver for Kassian.
- Oneonta Penguin

Saad is an RFA isn't he??

Semin isn't half as bad as his production this last season appears.

Is he worth $7 million? Probably not.

Is he worth $5 million? Definitely. One poopty season does not a career make.

Semin isn't half as bad as his production this last season appears.

Is he worth $7 million? Probably not.

Is he worth $5 million? Definitely. One poopty season does not a career make.
- BINGO!

can he be worth 5 million?

sure could.

but with all the variables taken into consideration, i cant bite at 5 my friend.

I just want to fast forward to the draft already. Words are wind. We've thrown out millions of possible transactions and I bet what actually happens is something that none of us have thought about. Who here called that Old Man Ruth was gonna flip Neal over to Nash for Hornqvist? Everyone here was talking about some stupid package that involved Neal for Sharp. The Neal trade ended up being amazing, although it hurt Malkin a little bit. There's a solid chance that the Perron trade will end up working in our favor after he has a whole post season, pre season, and season with our organization. His poor performance this year may have knocked down his price tag when it comes to resigning him, so that's actually kind of a plus.

He mucked up smaller moves. Trading picks for Winnik instead of signing him to begin with. Goc for Lapierre. Despres for Lovejoy. But when it comes to big time personnel changes, him shipping out Neal and bringing in Horqvist and Perron have benefitted the team. On a smaller scale, bringing in Comeau, Downie, and Cole have all been pretty solid too. Let's just see what the man does at the draft before we proclaim the end of the Corsby/Malkin era window. Did anyone honestly believe that this was a one season retool? We're on our way, but we still need at least this offseason, and maybe next to get to where we need to be.

My top three are:

CB Marcus Peters
CB Kevin Johnson
SS Landon Collins.
- acdc1206

Like your list a lot, but I'd hope they stay away from Safety in the first round. Rather see them concentrate on OLB, CB, TE & OG in the first 5 rounds w/ SS, RB, & maybe a WR in the later rounds.

can he be worth 5 million?

sure could.

but with all the variables taken into consideration, i cant bite at 5 my friend.
- stayinthefnnet

I don't like how risky he might be at $7. At $5 I'm okay with hanging onto him. Canes are in a weird spot contract wise. That's less on Rutherford and more on our owner's philosophy when it comes to spending money.

Saad is an RFA isn't he??
- nbartley9

Yes. Would love to have him on the Pens, but I just do not see it happening at all.

I mean, what contract can the Penguins throw at him that Chicago would not be able to match? I'd be willing to pay up to $5M for him (ie, 1st and a 3rd) on a +4yr deal , but I'd imagine Chicago would match that & just get rid of other players. Paying a 1st, 2nd and 3rd gets a little too rich for my blood so beyond $5M get tough, though the Pens would have issues affording that anyway.

$1,110,249 or below None
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 Third-round choice
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 Second-round choice
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 First-round and third-round choice
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 First-round, second-round and third-round choice
Over $6,728,781 to $8,410,976 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Over $8,410,976 Four first-round choices

I don't like how risky he might be at $7. At $5 I'm okay with hanging onto him. Canes are in a weird spot contract wise. That's less on Rutherford and more on our owner's philosophy when it comes to spending money.
- BINGO!

Been debating the following scenario in my head about Semin:

Kunitz ( $3.85M/yr for 2 yrs, age 35) for Semin ($3.5M/yr for 3 yrs, age 31) w/ carolina retaining 50% salary. Would you do it? I'm bouncing between that extra year for Semin v. Kunitz's age.

In the end, I think it comes down to Semin's attitude. I don't buy into all the 'All Russian's are lazy' thing, but Semin did get benched in Carolina. That's hard to do when you get paid like he does & Carolina had the team that they did.

I don't like how risky he might be at $7. At $5 I'm okay with hanging onto him. Canes are in a weird spot contract wise. That's less on Rutherford and more on our owner's philosophy when it comes to spending money.
- BINGO!

obviously you have more insight into the canes cap/contract structure than i do, so i cant comment on what makes sense from your end.

but from a pens perspective, i just couldnt take the risk at 5. if there was less term, that would be one thing. like i wouldnt be up in arms over a 5 mil, one year show me deal.

but the pens dont have a lot of leeway to (frank) this up, and semin at 5 million for the term still remaining sure carries with it a lot of potential to (frank) up.

Its just insane to see you guys do the same fackin thing every single offseason and repeat your cycle of mediocrity. Every single year your team looks nice on paper because of established veteran players and then the season starts and people underperform and injuries occur and you have zero depth because you trade all your picks and prospects in 2 for 1 trades for these underperforming vets and then you guys complain that management screwed up your asset management and how you need to do the opposite and then you get eliminated and start talking about the next superstar forward you can trade for with Sutter a top prospect and a 1st.
- rangerdanger94

He is so right, it actually hurts. Not that we didnt already know this, but it still hurts.

Yes. Is Sid healthy in your mind? What about Patrick Kane? You know Kane has only played 69 and 61 games the past 3 years. By your logic they should trade Kane for pennies on the dollar. Didn't Kane just get a fat contract?
- znagle

I have more faith in Sid remaining healthy than Letang. I have more faith in Bennett not breaking his wrists again than Letang remaining healthy.