or maatta
- stayinthefnnet

If Maatta cost $4M already, I would consider it. He's too damn valuable on his ELC.

i agree with your evaluation of the asking price.

but just a whole lot of nope on that one.
- stayinthefnnet

I would do Pouliot for him and whatever else is needed. I agree, Maata is off the table

If Maatta cost $4M already, I would consider it. He's too damn valuable on his ELC.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

i still wouldnt.

im that big a fan of 3.

Ok where does the bidding start? Scuds?

Ok seriously, why would the Leafs even start thinking along those lines & please don't say Geno?
- Aussiepenguin

3 more years for 25-30 goal scorer at $4.25M. Maybe 2 good young pieces, an A and an B propect.

kapanen + dumoulin


or

maata + bennett

don't go all apepoop on me. i don't know your young players well.

If Maatta cost $4M already, I would consider it. He's too damn valuable on his ELC.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

good point

or maatta
- stayinthefnnet

If we want the goods, we have to be prepared to walk the walk.

I've said it before, I'll say it right now, Maatta & Pouliot have to be available if we want to get class that is performing, or we take a gamble on someone out of the limelight but only give up lesser players - so what do we really want???

I would do Pouliot for him and whatever else is needed. I agree, Maata is off the table
- nelson911

Yeah, I'd move Pouliot for the right player. Not sure if JVR is the guy I'd target. Even though he's only 26, I'm still thinking younger.

3 more years for 25-30 goal scorer at $4.25M. Maybe 2 good young pieces, an A and an B propect.

kapanen + dumoulin


or

maata + bennett

don't go all apepoop on me. i don't know your young players well.
- Tumbleweed

sign it. sign it right now.

3 more years for 25-30 goal scorer at $4.25M. Maybe 2 good young pieces, an A and an B propect.

kapanen + dumoulin


or

maata + bennett

don't go all apepoop on me. i don't know your young players well.
- Tumbleweed

You know I'd actually probably do this. JVR is an elite talent, has term, and is inexpensive as hell. Kapanen might not even be ready next year and could still bust. Makes me wish we still had Despres, because loosing a D prospect right now is pretty hard to swallow.

sign it. sign it right now.
- stayinthefnnet

should do better research

If we want the goods, we have to be prepared to walk the walk.

I've said it before, I'll say it right now, Maatta & Pouliot have to be available if we want to get class that is performing, or we take a gamble on someone out of the limelight but only give up lesser players - so what do we really want???
- Aussiepenguin

oh yeah man i totally understand, it takes giving to get. and the pens really dont have much to give.

i would be open to moving pouliot in the right deal.

maatta, just nope. i think hes that special. still cheap. and he is going to be a huge part going forward of the defense, however they choose to form it.

should do better research
- Tumbleweed

i mean its not like fire the GM because he gave away mcdonaugh for gomez, but its something i would jump on.

dumolin projects to be a nice second pairing guy if he hits on it. has size and can skate. looked good in the playoffs getting some exposure.

kapanen is the pens only forward project of note. good hands and is putting up points in the AHL right now in his first taste of american hockey, but he is still awfully small.

but its still something i would do from a pens perspective.

3 more years for 25-30 goal scorer at $4.25M. Maybe 2 good young pieces, an A and an B propect.

kapanen + dumoulin


or

maata + bennett

don't go all apepoop on me. i don't know your young players well.
- Tumbleweed

Maatta would be 1 for 1. Kap & Dumo very interesting....................I think you win that but.........................give to get & Ill go on a limb & get back to you.

What else could we get for Kap & Dumo? Probably 2 players not as good as JVR but 2 wingers all the same. I think the Canucks give us Sven, Kassian + + for Kap & Dumo so probably not trading for JVR if we get a packet somewhere else (Kap has proven zero to date just to be open about him).

Maatta would be 1 for 1. Kap & Dumo very interesting....................I think you win that but.........................give to get & Ill go on a limb & get back to you.

What else could we get for Kap & Dumo? Probably 2 players not as good as JVR but 2 wingers all the same. I think the Canucks give us Sven, Kassian + + for Kap & Dumo so probably not trading for JVR if we get a packet somewhere else (Kap has proven zero to date just to be open about him).
- Aussiepenguin

I just want to fast forward to the draft already. Words are wind. We've thrown out millions of possible transactions and I bet what actually happens is something that none of us have thought about. Who here called that Old Man Ruth was gonna flip Neal over to Nash for Hornqvist? Everyone here was talking about some stupid package that involved Neal for Sharp. The Neal trade ended up being amazing, although it hurt Malkin a little bit. There's a solid chance that the Perron trade will end up working in our favor after he has a whole post season, pre season, and season with our organization. His poor performance this year may have knocked down his price tag when it comes to resigning him, so that's actually kind of a plus.

He mucked up smaller moves. Trading picks for Winnik instead of signing him to begin with. Goc for Lapierre. Despres for Lovejoy. But when it comes to big time personnel changes, him shipping out Neal and bringing in Horqvist and Perron have benefitted the team. On a smaller scale, bringing in Comeau, Downie, and Cole have all been pretty solid too. Let's just see what the man does at the draft before we proclaim the end of the Corsby/Malkin era window. Did anyone honestly believe that this was a one season retool? We're on our way, but we still need at least this offseason, and maybe next to get to where we need to be.
- Victoro311

I acutally called Neal for Hornqvist well in advance. My proposal was Neal for Hornqvist and Craig Smith.. whixch would have been even more awesome! haha..but Hornqvist and Spaling was pretty close.... Sorry for gloating, but I still like to pat my back about that proposal as I advocated that move for many weeks on here before it actually happened.

Maatta would be 1 for 1. Kap & Dumo very interesting....................I think you win that but.........................give to get & Ill go on a limb & get back to you.

What else could we get for Kap & Dumo? Probably 2 players not as good as JVR but 2 wingers all the same. I think the Canucks give us Sven, Kassian + + for Kap & Dumo so probably not trading for JVR if we get a packet somewhere else (Kap has proven zero to date just to be open about him).
- Aussiepenguin

yes, JVR is only one player, but its a pretty sure thing, which has value. even if he doesnt ascend upwards much, youre still buying a pretty known asset.

still young enough. i know hes not 20, but 26 is still younger than the guys that still make up the fate of the franchise. he has size. hes relatively cost controlled for the forseeable future.

i still wouldnt move maatta for him. but other than that, im all ears.

- rangerdanger94

1-0 Caps

1-0 Caps
- Aussiepenguin

Are you watching the game or just refreshing NHL.com as usual?

yes, JVR is only one player, but its a pretty sure thing, which has value. even if he doesnt ascend upwards much, youre still buying a pretty known asset.

still young enough. i know hes not 20, but 26 is still younger than the guys that still make up the fate of the franchise. he has size. hes relatively cost controlled for the forseeable future.

i still wouldnt move maatta for him. but other than that, im all ears.
- stayinthefnnet

There's been lots of talk on here about too many players on too much & not enough support staff.

Well giving up 2 for 1 goes back into that scenario where we are reducing quantity for quality. Don't we have quality & require quantity? Now quantity being capable players able to play top 6? If we give up 2 to get 1 then we are loading up again & leading ourselves into the scenario of not having enough around our guns? We require a couple of good young fast wingers but we don't have that many trade pieces. If we surrender 2 trade pieces for 1 of those players we are going to run short on trade pieces & have our team again needing pieces without stock to trade.

We need to capitalise on what we have & trading 2 for 1 is reducing our numbers & compromising the team in my opinion.

Auction what we have to get back as much as we can to fill the holes - trading 2 for 1 just creates another hole with less to fill it.

There's been lots of talk on here about too many players on too much & not enough support staff.

Well giving up 2 for 1 goes back into that scenario where we are reducing quantity for quality. Don't we have quality & require quantity? Now quantity being capable players able to play top 6? If we give up 2 to get 1 then we are loading up again & leading ourselves into the scenario of not having enough around our guns? We require a couple of good young fast wingers but we don't have that many trade pieces. If we surrender 2 trade pieces for 1 of those players we are going to run short on trade pieces & have our team again needing pieces without stock to trade.

We need to capitalise on what we have & trading 2 for 1 is reducing our numbers & compromising the team in my opinion.

Auction what we have to get back as much as we can to fill the holes - trading 2 for 1 just creates another hole with less to fill it.
- Aussiepenguin

i get what youre saying. but at the same time, ill take the one sure thing in JVR over the two potential swings with sven and kassian.

jvr has size. i think he would be perfect for malkin.

crosby has hornqvist, malkin would have jvr. they each have one good winger. i think they could then supplement the rest of the top 6, even if the guys arent standouts.

Are you watching the game or just refreshing NHL.com as usual?
- rangerdanger94

You aren't real smart are you champ?

I've been through this before.

Have a look at google earth & type in AUSTRALIA, the world will turn over & you will see where I am - our free to air TV doesn't do the NHL & I don't have cable.

I'm not even listening to it!

I'm actually working in the office & checking the score so I'm not even 'refreshing NHL.com'. poop I shouldn't even be commenting on something I'm not watching right?

Another stupid comment from the source of stupidity!

Edit: looks like you dominated that period though 2-1 on shots. Maybe with a bit of luck you guys might pull through if you can keep it up.

Just a hint, on a Caps PP Ovi just sits on the hash & waits to thump one in - you should just get a guy on him to block it when it happens - pretty simple really.

i get what youre saying. but at the same time, ill take the one sure thing in JVR over the two potential swings with sven and kassian.

jvr has size. i think he would be perfect for malkin.

crosby has hornqvist, malkin would have jvr. they each have one good winger. i think they could then supplement the rest of the top 6, even if the guys arent standouts.
- stayinthefnnet

Kap and Dumo both so, so, so needed and 2 of about 5 prospects the Pens have I have hope for. Even though JvR is on a good contract..trying to use some perspective. We can get about plenty of years out of Kap and Dumo where they don't cost $4M combined.

Would I trade both for JvR? I'd prefer to start that negotiation with Sutter. But as a greedy, win now, need an effing wing solution, obsessive fan....I'd make the trade.

I acutally called Neal for Hornqvist well in advance. My proposal was Neal for Hornqvist and Craig Smith.. whixch would have been even more awesome! haha..but Hornqvist and Spaling was pretty close.... Sorry for gloating, but I still like to pat my back about that proposal as I advocated that move for many weeks on here before it actually happened.
- Willaged

So what's the big trade this offseason, please, do tell!

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
JvR-Malkin-Yakupov

might be possible???

i get what youre saying. but at the same time, ill take the one sure thing in JVR over the two potential swings with sven and kassian.

jvr has size. i think he would be perfect for malkin.

crosby has hornqvist, malkin would have jvr. they each have one good winger. i think they could then supplement the rest of the top 6, even if the guys arent standouts.
- stayinthefnnet

Don't get me wrong, JVR would be great on our team. I'm just looking at it from a business prospective, we need assets, we have limited assets to get said assets. If we sacrifice quantity with 'high' quality then we will be left short again. If you want to have multiple high quality pieces then you will not be able to fill the team unless the 1 of the highest is offset - Geno or Sid. Then you can spread the wealth but you will lose 1 of the best you could possibly have.

Or, you reduce the quality of the wings keep the cream & have a stable & efficient support staff - it's a cap world & you can't have it all. You will also have quality D helping the offence so you aren't reliant on the F for the points. So multiple stable support completing a roster for me is better than a high quality unfinished roster that is missing some pieces which we look to have currently - although I still believe we fix the D keep what we have we are competitive next season.