But nah, you guys will just continue to deal 1sts and 2nds for old forwards that leave as UFAs within 3 years of the trade.
- rangerdanger94

You mean exactly what the Rags did with Yandle?

Perron for the Oilers first We'll also throw in Matt Murray or Scott Harrington to sweeten the deal
- znagle

Looking at Lovejoy's underlying numbers I was pleasantly surprised and the Oilers could definitely use a guy like that. Problem that I think the Oilers/Pens would have as trading partners is that the Oilers want dmen and most of your promising prospects/rookies (Maatta, Pouliot, Harrington) are all lefties and the Oilers already have promising prospects/rookie dmen on the left side (nurse, klefbom, marincin).

If you take the time to actually watch him play the kid has all-world talent. He has his flaws like any young player but if you put him in a situation to perform with a guy like Malkin I think he absolutely tears apart the league.
- rangerdanger94

Alex Semin has a world of talent too ... so did Ales Hemsky. Does that mean anything? Just because there is a world of talent doesn't translate them into a world class player as you are making him out to be. Look at the two examples I posted. This isn't the two now, this has been the two in the previous five years.

I guess the ducks suck too since Winnipeg had a lead entering the 3rd in 3 of the 4 games they lost. The jets kept it close! The ducks are doomed!
- rangerdanger94

Honestly just leave, you provide nothing here.

If you take the time to actually watch him play the kid has all-world talent. He has his flaws like any young player but if you put him in a situation to perform with a guy like Malkin I think he absolutely tears apart the league.
- rangerdanger94

Oh I know.... I watch him probably 60 some times this year..... as soon as that ass hat Eakins was gone and nelson just let him play his game he scored more point in the last 20 games the the first 60....

You mean exactly what the Rags did with Yandle?
- jfkst1

There is quite a bit reason for Edmonton to deal him. Because they have shot comings all over the map. It's not rocket science that someone like Hall, or RNH, or Yak or Eberle has to go. One of them will have to go.

Sutter and Harrington would be my take it or leave it offer because we have nothing else to deal, because most want to keep together this stale core of players.

I really don't give a poop about your opinion either.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yak has more potential value to them than he has trade value. They should just keep him. Can't imagine they would actually move him for Sutter+Harrington. But I don't really like Yakupov's game so I wouldn't offer more than that either.

A package similar to Seguin although minus one piece. So a top 6 forward that has a lower ceiling than Yak and 2 good prospects.
- rangerdanger94

Sutter + Harrington + Blueger?

He's (frank)ing young and cheap..... give him a Change of scenery and malkin as a line mate and I bet he (frank)ing blows the doors off the place.
- HAs_Revenge

So, we have to pay top dollar for a change of scenery guy? Got it. It doesn't work that way in real life.

There is quite a bit reason for Edmonton to deal him. Because they have shot comings all over the map. It's not rocket science that someone like Hall, or RNH, or Yak or Eberle has to go. One of them will have to go.

Sutter and Harrington would be my take it or leave it offer because we have nothing else to deal, because most want to keep together this stale core of players.

I really don't give a poop about your opinion either.
- Oneonta Penguin

Its just insane to see you guys do the same fackin thing every single offseason and repeat your cycle of mediocrity. Every single year your team looks nice on paper because of established veteran players and then the season starts and people underperform and injuries occur and you have zero depth because you trade all your picks and prospects in 2 for 1 trades for these underperforming vets and then you guys complain that management screwed up your asset management and how you need to do the opposite and then you get eliminated and start talking about the next superstar forward you can trade for with Sutter a top prospect and a 1st.

Its just insane to see you guys do the same fackin thing every single offseason and repeat your cycle of mediocrity. Every single year your team looks nice on paper because of established veteran players and then the season starts and people underperform and injuries occur and you have zero depth because you trade all your picks and prospects in 2 for 1 trades for these underperforming vets and then you guys complain that management screwed up your asset management and how you need to do the opposite and then you get eliminated and start talking about the next superstar forward you can trade for with Sutter a top prospect and a 1st.
- rangerdanger94

That's great. Go back to your board. I hope the Rags lose BTW.

You mean exactly what the Rags did with Yandle?
- jfkst1

Yes exactly that. But as we've discussed before, the Rangers can do that because they attract top college free agents and are successful at drafting in the higher rounds and trade their pending free agents before letting them walk.

Alex Semin has a world of talent too ... so did Ales Hemsky. Does that mean anything? Just because there is a world of talent doesn't translate them into a world class player as you are making him out to be. Look at the two examples I posted. This isn't the two now, this has been the two in the previous five years.
- Oneonta Penguin

What would you have offered for Seguin back when the Stars dealt for him? Probably nothing close to the package Dallas gave up....now you wouldn't get Seguin for Malkin straight up. High risk high reward.

Looking at Lovejoy's underlying numbers I was pleasantly surprised and the Oilers could definitely use a guy like that. Problem that I think the Oilers/Pens would have as trading partners is that the Oilers want dmen and most of your promising prospects/rookies (Maatta, Pouliot, Harrington) are all lefties and the Oilers already have promising prospects/rookie dmen on the left side (nurse, klefbom, marincin).
- Oil_Addict

Yeah Lovejoy is a whipping boy here because "the next Pronger" aka Despres was traded for him. Lovejoy wasn't brought in to play 25 mins a game with 5 dmen, so it went basically as expexted. Lovejoy looked good when he first came over, I don't see us trading him especially given his cap hit and us not wanting to roll with basically all rookies on D.

Its just insane to see you guys do the same fackin thing every single offseason and repeat your cycle of mediocrity. Every single year your team looks nice on paper because of established veteran players and then the season starts and people underperform and injuries occur and you have zero depth because you trade all your picks and prospects in 2 for 1 trades for these underperforming vets and then you guys complain that management screwed up your asset management and how you need to do the opposite and then you get eliminated and start talking about the next superstar forward you can trade for with Sutter a top prospect and a 1st.
- rangerdanger94

Again, I don't give a poop what you think. You don't add anything here.

It's pretty obvious one of two things here ...

1. Pittsburgh doesn't have the trade assets to acquire a top notch top six forward, unless you are trading 71.

2. People don't think he will ever reach anywhere close to his potential at all. Some don't like his game. I see him as a lazy Russian that plays when he wants to.

Its just insane to see you guys do the same fackin thing every single offseason and repeat your cycle of mediocrity. Every single year your team looks nice on paper because of established veteran players and then the season starts and people underperform and injuries occur and you have zero depth because you trade all your picks and prospects in 2 for 1 trades for these underperforming vets and then you guys complain that management screwed up your asset management and how you need to do the opposite and then you get eliminated and start talking about the next superstar forward you can trade for with Sutter a top prospect and a 1st.
- rangerdanger94

09' we actually won the Cup can you say that about any recent season? No you cant, take your trash somewhere else; ohhh crap do you hear that I think Rick Nash's dog just died, you may have a chance yet!!!


Get out

What would you have offered for Seguin back when the Stars dealt for him? Probably nothing close to the package Dallas gave up....now you wouldn't get Seguin for Malkin straight up. High risk high reward.
- rangerdanger94

Again, don't care what you think or have to say. It's pretty obvious no one thinks you add anything to this discussion.

Again, don't care what you think or have to say.
- Oneonta Penguin

I apologize for bringing an outside perspective to your circle jerk.

Maybe Sutter, Lovejoy, and our 2nd for Yak? If no, maybe add Blueger?

What do you think it equal value for Yak then?
- znagle

A top 4 dman. A 2nd and a mid d prospect.....

I apologize for bringing an outside perspective to your circle jerk.
- rangerdanger94

Apology not accepted, leave

Chiming in from a Canes viewpoint...

While I am sure Canes GM Ron Francis is exploring any/all options to cut ties with Semin after a real rough 2014-15, I don't see the buyout possibility or the likelihood of eating the max 1/2 of salary.

Last summer, Francis was faced with Cam Ward who had a miserable previous season and was entering 2014-15 as a struggling $6.5M backup goalie, he did not buy him out. The finances just don't make sense for the Canes. If you eat 1/2 (retained salary) to 2/3 (buyout) of Semin's contract you save only $2.3-3.5M. But you also have to replace him with another forward for your top 6. Once you do that, the savings are something between minimal and nothing in which case you are better off taking your chances on a rebound.

I think the ideal contract for the Canes would be to take a less expensive bad contract back (backfills the roster spot while saving $). I guess maybe Sutter fits the bill, but I don't think Francis' preference would be a center. And don't try to pitch Scuderi. No one wants him at anything close to his current contract.

Maybe Sutter, Lovejoy, and our 2nd for Yak? If no, maybe add Blueger?
- Id_Puck_Me

My earlier offer of Sutter + Harrington + Blueger looked good, although Lovejoy could sub out for Harrington and we could sign another 2mil a year Dman this offseason.

A top 4 dman. A 2nd and a mid d prospect.....
- HAs_Revenge

That's very generous. I think Despres could've been an interesting piece for Edmonton but alas they dealt him for Lovejoy.

What would you have offered for Seguin back when the Stars dealt for him? Probably nothing close to the package Dallas gave up....now you wouldn't get Seguin for Malkin straight up. High risk high reward.
- rangerdanger94

I'm with you, I don't think the Penguins have the right pieces to give up to acquire Yakupov. As much as I would be a fan of it.. who the hell are the Oilers going to take? Highly doubt they want Sutter, Lovejoy, or any other scrub we are going to try to pawn off on him. Conversation probably starts with Pouliot or Maatta... Gotta give to get, and now that Chiarelli is running the Oilers... I actually see good things coming, didn't he completely retool the B's defense in like a year or 2?