Looking at Lovejoy's underlying numbers I was pleasantly surprised and the Oilers could definitely use a guy like that. Problem that I think the Oilers/Pens would have as trading partners is that the Oilers want dmen and most of your promising prospects/rookies (Maatta, Pouliot, Harrington) are all lefties and the Oilers already have promising prospects/rookie dmen on the left side (nurse, klefbom, marincin).
- Oil_Addict

Through in marincin.... make it a bigger package both ways....

Yeah Lovejoy is a whipping boy here because "the next Pronger" aka Despres was traded for him. Lovejoy wasn't brought in to play 25 mins a game with 5 dmen, so it went basically as expexted. Lovejoy looked good when he first came over, I don't see us trading him especially given his cap hit and us not wanting to roll with basically all rookies on D.
- znagle

If they don't bring anyone in on defense, the top 4 isn't going to have a single reliable dman. Cole and Pouliot are inexperienced, Letang and Maatta are injury prone, and no one knows what they are getting from Killjoy, Dumoulin, or Harrington, if anything at all.

The fact that this was even suggested and some are considering it is mind boggling. And ppl call me crazy for wanting to trade 71.
- sammy87

Again, its a suggestion that doesn't solve the problems this organization has. Neither Semin, nor Sharp solve poop. Semi causes more problems than helps. The fact we are talking about a lazy, enigma in Semin and a 33-year old Sharp as options is mind boggling.

Sutter for Sharp requires something else in Pittsburghs favor. Sharp 2 years at 6 million is UFA pricing maybe above UFA pricing. Frolik won't get 6 million UFA (maybe max 6) and I'd prefer a younger Frolik over Sharp. Sutter isn't really overpaid at current pricing. Basically Sharp over 2 years is probably a combined 4 million overpaid. Which works out to Scuderi but Hawks won't want Scuderi. I'd swap Sutter for Sharp with $1 million of Sharp retained plus a 3rd round pick.

Its just insane to see you guys do the same fackin thing every single offseason and repeat your cycle of mediocrity. Every single year your team looks nice on paper because of established veteran players and then the season starts and people underperform and injuries occur and you have zero depth because you trade all your picks and prospects in 2 for 1 trades for these underperforming vets and then you guys complain that management screwed up your asset management and how you need to do the opposite and then you get eliminated and start talking about the next superstar forward you can trade for with Sutter a top prospect and a 1st.
- rangerdanger94

Get back to us when the Rangers win a cup. The Rangers are only 2 years removed from the dumpster fire that resulted in the firing of Torts, and while I'm sure their recent success is satisfying for you, the short term improvement has not yet brought a cup, nor has it washed away the stain of countless previous years of mismanagement by Sather.

Sutter for Sharp requires something else in Pittsburghs favor. Sharp 2 years at 6 million is UFA pricing maybe above UFA pricing. Frolik won't get 6 million UFA (maybe max 6) and I'd prefer a younger Frolik over Sharp. Sutter isn't really overpaid at current pricing. Basically Sharp over 2 years is probably a combined 4 million overpaid. Which works out to Scuderi but Hawks won't want Scuderi. I'd swap Sutter for Sharp with $1 million of Sharp retained plus a 3rd round pick.
- sditulli

Holy crap Sutter for Sharp AND a 3rd?

My god....

I'm with you, I don't think the Penguins have the right pieces to give up to acquire Yakupov. As much as I would be a fan of it.. who the hell are the Oilers going to take? Highly doubt they want Sutter, Lovejoy, or any other scrub we are going to try to pawn off on him. Conversation probably starts with Pouliot or Maatta... Gotta give to get, and now that Chiarelli is running the Oilers... I actually see good things coming, didn't he completely retool the B's defense in like a year or 2?
- j.boyd919

Jeff Gorton, working for the Rags now, did a lot to build the Bruins success.

Through in marincin.... make it a bigger package both ways....
- HAs_Revenge

Marincin's gone with Pittsburgh's 1st pick for Seabrook.. c'mon man!

Anyone remember when the Pens signed an aging Petr Klima in 96? Trading for Semin would work out just about as well.

I'd give serious consideration to Sharp if they can figure out a way to make the numbers work.

Marincin's gone with Pittsburgh's 1st pick for Seabrook.. c'mon man!
- Oil_Addict

Oh ya.... Der. ... my bad.

The fact that this was even suggested and some are considering it is mind boggling. And ppl call me crazy for wanting to trade 71.
- sammy87

Agreed..as a trade malkin guy. I guess we will all see 5 years from now who was right. If the team does indeed hitch itself to the sid/geno/tanger model, will it work or not. I say no. I say geno is the best of the three options to trade. Tanger would be next if possible...maybe edmonton would consider that.

The best predictions for the future are to look to the past. The pens have done squat all with his model. Two head coaches and two general managers. But since we traded staal and had to abandon the three center model, the pens just flat out are not good enough on lines 3 and 4. Never have been..and I argue never will be without a seriou change in philosophy.

Jeff Gorton, working for the Rags now, did a lot to build the Bruins success.
- jfkst1

Ohhhhh... didn't know that. I'm still kind of excited for the Oilers though.. there are a lot of players I hope succeed on that team. Yak is one of them, and I'm stoked to see McDavid too, I used to drive up to Erie to go check out Otters games whenever I would come home for the holidays... looking forward to playing with Edmonton in NHL 16... hahaha.. I bet somehow EA sports (frank)s up the ratings and makes McD like an 90 overall without even having played a game...

Ohhhhh... didn't know that. I'm still kind of excited for the Oilers though.. there are a lot of players I hope succeed on that team. Yak is one of them, and I'm stoked to see McDavid too, I used to drive up to Erie to go check out Otters games whenever I would come home for the holidays... looking forward to playing with Edmonton in NHL 16... hahaha.. I bet somehow EA sports (frank)s up the ratings and makes McD like an 90 overall without even having played a game...
- j.boyd919

Agreed

Somehow he'll be an 84 overall

I don't know if I want Semin's term. 3 years is a lot longer than I'd want to go on him. One year rental would make more sense as he seems more motivated in contract years anyway.

Agreed..as a trade malkin guy. I guess we will all see 5 years from now who was right. If the team does indeed hitch itself to the sid/geno/tanger model, will it work or not. I say no. I say geno is the best of the three options to trade. Tanger would be next if possible...maybe edmonton would consider that.

The best predictions for the future are to look to the past. The pens have done squat all with his model. Two head coaches and two general managers. But since we traded staal and had to abandon the three center model, the pens just flat out are not good enough on lines 3 and 4. Never have been..and I argue never will be without a seriou change in philosophy.
- taleisyreXIII

OK, I will play with this second graph. So, we have zero help in the top six to 71-87-72. Imagine if we had Staal as out third line center at 6 million, as opposed to Sutter at 3.2 or whatever. Our roster would be worse due to cap problems and Jordan Staal wouldn't have competent wingers at all. He would be lugging around Ebbett and Megna.

A serious change in philosophy needs to happen. Semin and Sharp aren't answers.

Sharp was injured and when he came back they stuck him on the 3rd and 4th lines. He had 43 points in 68 games. Hes also looking great so far these playoffs. It's not like he's signed long term, so if he underperforms, it's only for a year or so. Hawks are losing oduya and roszival so maybe they could use Harrington or dumo. Hawks have decent D prospects, but have yet to make their way into the lineup.

- DDM-Coga

A 35-year old left winger doesn't not help the cause. I'd take him over Semin or Sharp, but we need younger dudes, not guys who are retiring three years down the road.

Sharp was injured and when he came back they stuck him on the 3rd and 4th lines. He had 43 points in 68 games. Hes also looking great so far these playoffs. It's not like he's signed long term, so if he underperforms, it's only for a year or so. Hawks are losing oduya and roszival so maybe they could use Harrington or dumo. Hawks have decent D prospects, but have yet to make their way into the lineup.
- drummer829

The question ... are you proposing Sharp for Harrington or Dumo straight up? Pittsburgh can't do that. Adding Sutter to that mix, I'd want Chicago to add.

NO ONE WANTS YOUR SCRAPS.
Honestly, this long-winded blog about trading for Pat Sharp and what are you offering.....scraps.
RIP Pens, you made your bed, now sleep in it for a decade.

Staal for Sutter cap hit works if we didn't sign scuderi. You can find a $1 million a year defenseman who can most of what Scuderi does plus Staal's defense would more than make up for anything lost.

A 35-year old left winger doesn't not help the cause. I'd take him over Semin or Sharp, but we need younger dudes, not guys who are retiring three years down the road.
- Oneonta Penguin

Fine, but you have to pony up for him


hes playing with Crosby at the worlds too

Holy crap Sutter for Sharp AND a 3rd?

My god....
- rangerdanger94

Again, no one cares what you think.

Vrbata with Sid or Geno is a legit threat for 35+ goals

Dude can snipe. Probably comes cheaper than young top 6 forwards that are under contract past next year.

5M cap hit.