Semin at 3.5 can't be that much worse than Sutter at 3.3...he may find that playing with Malkin ignites his motivation, which could make him extremely dangerous. Even better would be if CAR bought him out and PIT was able to get him at 2.5 or so...but I wouldn't complain at 3.5. It sounds as he could be had for next to nothing anyway, so why not try Sutter+low/mid-level prospect for Semin (@3.5)+2nd rnd pick (#35) or even a 3rd (#66)+4th(#93)? I think that's a low-risk, high reward scenario. I'm not crazy about Sharp - cap hit sucks and he's a bit injury prone.

As for FA, I like Stafford or Frolik if we don't overpay. I'm not too keen on Tlusty as I think he's too soft and not quite to the talent level we want to acquire. I would really like to see Condra and perhaps Belesky...(assuming Dupuis isn't back). I really like Petry as a #3/4 though, I think he could be had for less than $5mil/per, maybe 4.5ish.

Perron - Crosby - Hornquist
Semin - Malkin - Frolik
Bennett - Spaling - Kunitz
Condra - Sunquist - Winnik

Letang - Maatta
Pouliot - Petry
Demoulin - Cole
Chorney/Harrington
- mventres

In this year's horrible UFA market many decent top 6 players is likely going to get overpaid, not only by their cap hit but by length of the contract and likely a full NTC as well so the Pens would be better off looking for a trade even though they'd have to give up assets to get it done.

Yup...I wanted tanger traded instead of re-upped...but who am I really. Where he is now though was predictable. ..he in injury prone..always has been. He had massive appeal league wide when we cut him a huge paycheck. Staal was also offered too much..and got over paid. But even at 6mil as a second center. I could live with it. Also if u had traded tanger at peak...you clearly are getting a solid center at least plus a few youngsters.
- taleisyreXIII

I'm pretty sure any one is "injury prone" if they fall backwards into the boards head first. Or they're "injury prone" if they have a stroke because of a birth defect. Everyone can get concussions man.

By far the biggest problem this team has had is injuries and Staal is every bit as injury prone as Letang and Malkin. Trading him was a good decision, and I even think Sutter sucks and I'm still glad they made that trade.
- jfkst1

Letang is clearly the most injury prone of those three...and had the most value and trade appeal during that time. Teams were over paying like crazy for d men. Letang is answering questions on retirement already...this is not good news. To top it all off...it was something you could see coming. Geno has no real head injury issues....I still dont think sid even had a concussion. ..I think it was always a broken neck. I mean the dude has his face smashed by a slapshot and no concussion. Letang..u look at him sideways and he is out with headaches. As for staal...his injuries are a fluke like genos.

Edit. .this isnt meant to slam letang as a quality person. I like him absolutely. .but the pens are in the business of winning. You have an asset that you dont really need (tons of young good d in the wings) and he has questions of long term health playing your system and style of play..maybe you move him?

There is nothing I typed that is wrong. It's fact. The fact you disagree means you are deluded.
- Oneonta Penguin

Percieved value of a player is fact

Nice try troll.

Ryan Wilson: Fixing the Roster: Trading For Veteran Top Six Help
Fixing the Roster: Trading For Veteran Top Six Help
- Ryan_Wilson

this has drew stafford written all over it

Agreed..as a trade malkin guy. I guess we will all see 5 years from now who was right. If the team does indeed hitch itself to the sid/geno/tanger model, will it work or not. I say no. I say geno is the best of the three options to trade. Tanger would be next if possible...maybe edmonton would consider that.

The best predictions for the future are to look to the past. The pens have done squat all with his model. Two head coaches and two general managers. But since we traded staal and had to abandon the three center model, the pens just flat out are not good enough on lines 3 and 4. Never have been..and I argue never will be without a seriou change in philosophy.
- taleisyreXIII

The only time the 3 Center model worked was when Staal and Malkin were on ELC or bridge contracts. We traded Staal and trippled 71's salary. In 5 years Malkin will be 34 and a shadow of what he is now. But his contract will be a bargain right?

I'm all for going after him in free agency next year. Truth is we don't have the assets to obtain him unless it's a kapanen and pouliot deal. And I'd say eff that.
- drummer829

We don't have the assets. The likely deal would involve Pouliot, Kapanen and a high first round pick. There is nothing on our roster outside of DP they would be interest in. Their farm system sucks ass, so Kapanen and the high pick would be required. That sets us back a long time. Not worth it for a one year rental.

That organization has a nice core ... Landeskog, Duchene, Barrie, Mackinnon, Erik Johnson maybe. However, they are relying on old veterans like Iginla, Tanguay, Brad Stuart because their fan system sucks. They need to start working on developing that. Then again, we do too.

this has drew stafford written all over it
- homiedclown

Yeah, and also has the smell of us in being in this same situation next year.

Percieved value of a player is fact

Nice try troll.
- usethe1-2-2

It's laughable that you think Malkin's value has not declined in the last two years. He is a 71-point guy that is more likely to miss 20 games per year making 9.5 million.

Letang - fragile, injured Dman likely to miss 25 games a year at a 7.25 million clip.

Not rocket science. Those are the facts.

You would have gotten loads more for each two years ago than now.

It's laughable that you think Malkin's value has not declined in the last two years. He is a 71-point guy that is more likely to miss 20 games per year making 9.5 million.

Letang - fragile, injured Dman likely to miss 25 games a year at a 7.25 million clip.

Not rocket science. Those are the facts.

You would have gotten loads more for each two years ago than now.
- Oneonta Penguin

100% true...though genos drop off is slight...letangs is meteoric.

this has drew stafford written all over it
- homiedclown

Why not, we have mentioned old veterans, enigmas, retreads and players on the decline as solutions instead of faster and younger players. Stafford fits in that first pile. Except, he looked to be a fit in Winnipeg and produced.

Its just insane to see you guys do the same fackin thing every single offseason and repeat your cycle of mediocrity. Every single year your team looks nice on paper because of established veteran players and then the season starts and people underperform and injuries occur and you have zero depth because you trade all your picks and prospects in 2 for 1 trades for these underperforming vets and then you guys complain that management screwed up your asset management and how you need to do the opposite and then you get eliminated and start talking about the next superstar forward you can trade for with Sutter a top prospect and a 1st.
- rangerdanger94

Hate on danger all you want to. He's 100% correct with this post.

Hate on danger all you want to. He's 100% correct with this post.
- 87_71_11_29

Agreed and we'll be in this same exact spot every year even if we somehow win the Cup.

Hate on danger all you want to. He's 100% correct with this post.
- 87_71_11_29

Yup..we need to be the team trading a star for picks and players...long overdue.

Yes exactly that. But as we've discussed before, the Rangers can do that because they attract top college free agents and are successful at drafting in the higher rounds and trade their pending free agents before letting them walk.
- rangerdanger94

Disagree with this. You can do this because you're only in what, year 3, of being a Cup contender.

Pens just finished year 8. Talk to us about your deep prospect pool if you are able to remain Cup contenders another 1/2 decade after moving prospects in deadline deals (which Slats will totally do btw).

Malkin to Buffalo for the 2nd Overall (Eichel) 2016 1st and Nick Baptiste....you clear 9.5 million in cap and sign St-Louis.

So who are the steelers drafting tonight?

anyone else love to watch Monahan and Gaudreau?

Maybe Sutter, Lovejoy, and our 2nd for Yak? If no, maybe add Blueger?
- Id_Puck_Me

Danger...he's all yours!!

Malkin to Buffalo for the 2nd Overall (Eichel) 2016 1st and Nick Baptiste....you clear 9.5 million in cap and sign St-Louis.
- sudburyboy

Does St. Louis have any other family members? If so, deal.

It's laughable that you think Malkin's value has not declined in the last two years. He is a 71-point guy that is more likely to miss 20 games per year making 9.5 million.

Letang - fragile, injured Dman likely to miss 25 games a year at a 7.25 million clip.

Not rocket science. Those are the facts.

You would have gotten loads more for each two years ago than now.
- Oneonta Penguin

Malkin makes 9.5 and produces at a level that Kane has only done once, who just signed a 10+ mill deal. Look at the free agent market, you don't get a Malkin on that market, yet you pay prices like you are going to get a Malkin. His value, becuase of the rapid increase, has maintained. ROR will get over 7 mill on his next contract. Malkin at 9.5 is still a way better value than that.

Disagree with this. You can do this because you're only in what, year 3, of being a Cup contender.

Pens just finished year 8. Talk to us about your deep prospect pool if you are able to remain Cup contenders another 1/2 decade after moving prospects in deadline deals (which Slats will totally do btw).
- 87_71_11_29

Rags have what is widely considered one of the worst prospect pools in the league. Got weaker trading Duclair.

Why not, we have mentioned old veterans, enigmas, retreads and players on the decline as solutions instead of faster and younger players. Stafford fits in that first pile. Except, he looked to be a fit in Winnipeg and produced.
- Oneonta Penguin

Wll, then lay out your proposal of a trade.

Malkin to Buffalo for the 2nd Overall (Eichel) 2016 1st and Nick Baptiste....you clear 9.5 million in cap and sign St-Louis.
- sudburyboy

Haha

Buffalo gets Malkin
Edmonton gets 2nd 2015, 1st 2016
Pitts gets 1st 2015, baptiste.

I want mcdavid if im trading geno. Never gonna happen. .but if u can get geno to buff...pegula does love geno....and you can get buff and edmonton to swap picks lol...

anyone else love to watch Monahan and Gaudreau?
- chanceb

I really enjoy watching Calgary play these days. They look fast and young. Young talent that produces; guys on that roster have overachieved. Take out Engelland, their older guys ... all 31, 32, or 33 (Giordano, Wideman, Hille, Hudler and to a certain extent Stajan) produce or do their roles very well.

An organization certainly on the raise.