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EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Apr 30 @ 10:15 PM ET
King Henrick moving right, puck goes left.
- StLBravesFan


StLBravesFan
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Apr 30 @ 10:18 PM ET

- EKolb13


Lundquist moving right, lifts his left pad, can't get it back down in time.

Looked like a bad hit by Backstrom - on the numbers, hit the Ranger's head into the glass.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Apr 30 @ 10:19 PM ET
Wow - 1 second left
- StLBravesFan

And the great McDonagh caught napping. lol. The forwards covered absolutely no one. Boyle gets his ass knocked off the puck by Backstrom.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Apr 30 @ 10:20 PM ET
Lundquist moving right, lifts his left pad, can't get it back down in time.

Looked like a bad hit by Backstrom - on the numbers, hit the Ranger's head into the glass.

- StLBravesFan

Yeah. No. It was a good hit. Boyle's right side is the POC. The head wasn't targeted. It was a good hit. Arms are down.

He even slowed down before he made contact.

JFC Boudreau is beet red already.
StLBravesFan
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Apr 30 @ 10:24 PM ET
Yeah. No. It was a good hit. Boyle's right side is the POC. The head wasn't targeted. It was a good hit. Arms are down.

He even slowed down before he made contact.

JFC Boudreau is beet red already.

- Elbows15


Yeah - on second view - hit him side-on, not head-on (rather, back-on).
MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Apr 30 @ 10:27 PM ET
I luv Joel Ward....

Always wanted that guy in a Hawk sweater...versatile player.

And Ovi with a rocket and great assist.

- ArlingtonRob


Wore a Wild sweater for a couple years.
spanky
Joined: 07.12.2010

Apr 30 @ 10:28 PM ET
It wasn't a scouting issue, nor a money issue. Hayes chose to not sign with the Hawks.
- EKolb13


Really, why would Kevin sign with the Hawks? We should not have given up on his brother so quickly. What the heck, if our scouts were so impressed in Kevin we should have handled his brother with kid gloves for another year ....bottom line is the Hayes brothers were freeking late bloomers and Stan and his dad pissed off both brothers and the rest is history...can't win em all . I hope this is not going to wind up like the Phill Esposito trade..that one hurt for about 20 years.
MnGump
Minnesota Wild
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Joined: 06.21.2012

Apr 30 @ 10:34 PM ET
Uh oh... NY loses game one?! Didn't get to watch the game...
Ogilthorpe2
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Apr 30 @ 10:36 PM ET
Really, why would Kevin sign with the Hawks? We should not have given up on his brother so quickly. What the heck, if our scouts were so impressed in Kevin we should have handled his brother with kid gloves for another year ....bottom line is the Hayes brothers were freeking late bloomers and Stan and his dad pissed off both brothers and the rest is history...can't win em all . I hope this is not going to wind up like the Phill Esposito trade..that one hurt for about 20 years.
- spanky

This again? Really?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
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Apr 30 @ 10:39 PM ET
Really, why would Kevin sign with the Hawks? We should not have given up on his brother so quickly. What the heck, if our scouts were so impressed in Kevin we should have handled his brother with kid gloves for another year ....bottom line is the Hayes brothers were freeking late bloomers and Stan and his dad pissed off both brothers and the rest is history...can't win em all . I hope this is not going to wind up like the Phill Esposito trade..that one hurt for about 20 years.
- spanky

Did you just compare Hayes to Esposito?

I think its a long stretch to think one brother didn't sign because the other was traded. He choose to play where he wanted because he could.

Yeah, the Hawks traded is brother to give him an opportunity to play in the NHL. The bastards.
Elbows15
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Apr 30 @ 10:40 PM ET
Uh oh... NY loses game one?! Didn't get to watch the game...
- MnGump

Yep. Left the middle of the ice wide open and Ward scored with just over a second left.
StLBravesFan
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Apr 30 @ 10:41 PM ET
Really, why would Kevin sign with the Hawks? We should not have given up on his brother so quickly. What the heck, if our scouts were so impressed in Kevin we should have handled his brother with kid gloves for another year ....bottom line is the Hayes brothers were freeking late bloomers and Stan and his dad pissed off both brothers and the rest is history...can't win em all . I hope this is not going to wind up like the Phill Esposito trade..that one hurt for about 20 years.
- spanky


Starting on a potential SC contender, probably for more money than the Hawks could offer him - let's not give the kid (and his advisors) credit for taking advantage of the system and getting the best deal he could - let's blame the Hawks for screwing it up.
Ogilthorpe2
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Apr 30 @ 10:45 PM ET
Did you just compare Hayes to Esposito?

I think its a long stretch to think one brother didn't sign because the other was traded. He choose to play where he wanted because he could.

Yeah, the Hawks traded is brother to give him an opportunity to play in the NHL. The bastards.

- Elbows15

The real problem of course, as everyone knows, is that Q hates kids.
spanky
Joined: 07.12.2010

Apr 30 @ 10:48 PM ET
Did you just compare Hayes to Esposito?

I think its a long stretch to think one brother didn't sign because the other was traded. He choose to play where he wanted because he could.

Yeah, the Hawks traded is brother to give him an opportunity to play in the NHL. The bastards.

- Elbows15


Read carefully please. I said " I hope this is not going to haunt us like the Esposito trade. " Hey , there is no doubt their agent set us up....but I still believe Stan's arrogance also got in the way. Enough said... Go Hawks tomorrow night!
Elbows15
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Apr 30 @ 10:49 PM ET
The real problem of course, as everyone knows, is that Q hates kids.
- Ogilthorpe2

I could see if the Hawks' brass said screw you kid. We think you will never amount to anything. They didn't. They tried to get him signed. Also, everyone seems to forget that he was dogpoop for his 1st 3 years and had character issues.

Whatever. Every time he does something some will bemoan the one that got away. Such is life.
Ogilthorpe2
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Apr 30 @ 10:49 PM ET
Read carefully please. I said " I hope this is not going to haunt us like the Esposito trade. " Hey , there is no doubt their agent set us up....but I still believe Stan's arrogance also got in the way. Enough said... Go Hawks tomorrow night!
- spanky

Stan is arrogant? Proof?
Elbows15
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Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
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Apr 30 @ 10:51 PM ET
Read carefully please. I said " I hope this is not going to haunt us like the Esposito trade. " Hey , there is no doubt their agent set us up....but I still believe Stan's arrogance also got in the way. Enough said... Go Hawks tomorrow night!
- spanky


Well since Espo was already a 2-time 20 goal scorer in the NHL there really is no comparison at all.

I believe its Hayes' arrogance that got in the way.
Ogilthorpe2
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Apr 30 @ 10:55 PM ET
Well since Espo was already a 2-time 20 goal scorer in the NHL there really is no comparison at all.

I believe its Hayes' arrogance that got in the way.

- Elbows15

He'll never be more than a stairwell pooper to me. (frank) him, and his soft brother.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Apr 30 @ 10:55 PM ET
Really, why would Kevin sign with the Hawks? We should not have given up on his brother so quickly. What the heck, if our scouts were so impressed in Kevin we should have handled his brother with kid gloves for another year ....bottom line is the Hayes brothers were freeking late bloomers and Stan and his dad pissed off both brothers and the rest is history...can't win em all . I hope this is not going to wind up like the Phill Esposito trade..that one hurt for about 20 years.
- spanky


I disagree, and the highlighted point is why.

It's that saying of "there is no 'I' in team." In order to maintain a winning franchise, the team comes before the individual wants of a single player. To handle Jimmy with "kid gloves," the Hawks would have had to hand him a roster spot - to a player that had not earned a full time slot yet.

However, would that have been enough to satisfy Jimmy? Do you play him 82 games if that satisfies him to convince Kevin to sign? Is that even enough?

And what about handling Pirri, Morin, et al with kid gloves as well? I wouldn't doubt that they had some opinion in the matter.

If you just hand those guys roster spots, do you believe that the Hawks would have gone as deep, or deeper in the playoffs last season?

Beyond that, what message do you send to veterans around the league when it does come time to sign free agents? Vets who can lose their roster spots on a whim to a kid, based solely on entitlement at the time, rather than earning that spot the right way - by earning that roster spot in the first place. Does that aid in attracting player who are willing to come here on the cheap for a shot to win?

Is that the definition of maintaining a "winning" culture within the organization?

And if Kevin is willing to test the free agent market based on the opinion of his brother than signing in Chicago, or just because he wanted a fast track to the NHL, or both - does that fit the attitude of team, or is that Kevin looking out for #1?

If your team is in the business of "winning," mommy-coddling prospects is not part of the business model.

Granted, no one here wanted Hayes to just walk (at the time). However, the Hawks will be just fine without him too.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
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Apr 30 @ 10:58 PM ET
He'll never be more than a stairwell pooper to me. (frank) him, and his soft brother.
- Ogilthorpe2

Much better avi. ty.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Apr 30 @ 11:23 PM ET
Much better avi. ty.
- Elbows15


Looks like the most interesting pilot in the world. Stay aloft my friends.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Apr 30 @ 11:44 PM ET
ducks are going to go 16-0....
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
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Apr 30 @ 11:46 PM ET
Looks like the most interesting pilot in the world. Stay aloft my friends.
- 6628

It was very disconcerting when he had the Hello Kitty avi. Creeped me out.
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Apr 30 @ 11:46 PM ET
Read carefully please. I said " I hope this is not going to haunt us like the Esposito trade. " Hey , there is no doubt their agent set us up....but I still believe Stan's arrogance also got in the way. Enough said... Go Hawks tomorrow night!
- spanky


You can believe anything you want, but that doesn't make it true.
Do you know Stan personally?...Do you know someone who knows Stan personally?...What arrogance are you talking about?

Jimmy had every opportunity to impress, and Kevin made his own decision. If Kevin was upset because Jimmy didn't get his ass kissed enough they can both kiss mine...

...good riddance, and please move on. This subject is dead...
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Apr 30 @ 11:46 PM ET
ducks are going to go 16-0....
- bogiedoc

Don't think the Hawks can beat them? Have some faith brother.
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