I'd move either DP or Maatta for JVR.
- 87_71_11_29

Isn't JVR on the Leafs no touching list?

I think i saw his wife was not testifying against him?

Unfortunately this is more common in Russia.
- sammy87

the court was really trying to push her to testify. It's a mess.

if i'm a GM, i take JVR at 3 years for $4.25 over a fat ass kessel at 6/7 more (whatever it is) for $8 mil.

shanny has said he plans to keep JVR, but it has to be grandstanding. Why would we keep him? he'll walk in 3 years when he's a UFA and we are still in a deep rebuild.

i think he gets moved and i bet he gets us our best return, even better than kessel.
- clark_griswold

I'd have to agree with this. Realistically, what would you be looking at for his return from the league and from the Pens?

If you were a GM what would you really offer for Kunitz?

If you're taking DP off the table that leaves Sutter as the only Pen that you can move that has any type of value and that perceived value is highly debatable. For the right player I put DP in the package.

Again, freeing up space this year doesn't mean a whole lot to the Pens. FA sucks and not worth tying up some of these players.
- sammy87

I don't move DP for one reason, his cap hit is nothing compared to his production on ice. You can keep him for dirt cheap for seasons allowing you next summer to make a run at a bigger name UFA.

Moving everyone for 2nd and 3rd round picks might pay off in 3 years. By that time 71 will be in his early 30's. The young guys on ELC's the Pens need should have been drafted in 12', 13' so they can contribute now.
- sammy87

Totally agree with you. I don't see any other way unless they totally swindle someone in a trade. And JR is more likely to be the swindled as opposed to the swindler.

If we keep this approach of filling in bottom 6 and 1-2 top 6 positions with low budget UFAs, we're going to be in the same position next year and the year after that and the year after that. That's not going to get you a Cup.

Why focus on next season? There are no impact UFAs. We have no tradeable assets other than DP, Maatta, and perhaps Dumo. What other means do you propose to improve the roster that makes them a Cup contender next season?

I'd have to agree with this. Realistically, what would you be looking at for his return from the league and from the Pens?
- znagle

Some here will tell you Sutter and Spaling or Scuds will get the job done.

I'd have to agree with this. Realistically, what would you be looking at for his return from the league and from the Pens?
- znagle

Pouliot, Maatta, and Kap would be likely targets. Obviously not all of them, but that's what it will take. Probably including high picks in the near future too.

It will sting.

I'd have to agree with this. Realistically, what would you be looking at for his return from the league and from the Pens?
- znagle

JVR for Maatta and Scuds and Bennett?

So sign another aging forward? That's the ticket.

I'd move either DP or Maatta for JVR.
- 87_71_11_29

Pouliot and Sutter for JvR?

I don't move DP for one reason, his cap hit is nothing compared to his production on ice. You can keep him for dirt cheap for seasons allowing you next summer to make a run at a bigger name UFA.
- usethe1-2-2

I'd pay for DP's Air Canada ticket if we could get JVR for him. Wouldn't hesitate on making that trade for 1 second.

Perron-Sid_Horny
JVR-Malkin-Comeau
Kunitz-Sutter-Duper
Spaling-Lap-Whatever

(And yes BB was intentionally omitted.)

That's pretty nice...

No way Tor does that deal though.

Pouliot and Sutter for JvR?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

This is along the lines I was thinking. Maybe a mid range pick as well.

Pouliot, Maatta, and Kap would be likely targets. Obviously not all of them, but that's what it will take. Probably including high picks in the near future too.

It will sting.
- madmike71

It will sting no doubt, but there are some D that can be signed this off season to lessen the blow, while we get our young top forward

For Justin Williams, it comes down to the $ and term that it would take. Unfortunately, I think that it would take too much money and too much term to sign him.

We would likely end up once again paying for past performance and not future contributions.

Again, freeing up space for picks and prospects doesn't help next year. Spaling and Sutter only have 1 yr left and most likely will do more for the team next season than that pick or prospect will. Not sure what next years FA class looks like, but the better play could be to just ride those guys out.
- sammy87

No, it might not help "directly" but removing their spot on the roster and starting to use younger talent might help. Getting something for players who have to proven to be way overpaid instead of getting nothing is a good play.
Sutter can net you a return of a young wing that is NHL ready, but doesn't have top 6 potential, and a mid round draft pick.
Spaling would be a salary dump.

Yes, I know this doesn't help next season, but as these players have shown they aren't the difference makers either.

Pouliot and Sutter for JvR?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Tor says no to that. JVR is a power forward, young, and on a good contract. Highly valuable asset.

Totally agree with you. I don't see any other way unless they totally swindle someone in a trade. And JR is more likely to be the swindled as opposed to the swindler.

If we keep this approach of filling in bottom 6 and 1-2 top 6 positions with low budget UFAs, we're going to be in the same position next year and the year after that and the year after that. That's not going to get you a Cup.

Why focus on next season? There are no impact UFAs. We have no tradeable assets other than DP, Maatta, and perhaps Dumo. What other means do you propose to improve the roster that makes them a Cup contender next season?
- 87_71_11_29

This is the situation everyone is slowly starting to realize. With the big contracts and crappy depth the Pens have been forced to grab guys like Comeau and hope. It hasn't payed off for several years now.

Sutter can be moved, what his return will be is tough to determine. On paper Despres looked great, however his return was Lovejoy. So DP's return most likely isn't the reincarnation of 66 that some here think. No clue how to judge his value either.

Ive been saying it for years and Ill say it again. Move 71. If a 36 yr old St. Louis fetches 2 1st round picks and Callahan, I have a hunch 71 can have a better return. MSL had a falling out in TB as well.

I'll just repeat what I said last blog.

I doubt that any stars will be putting Pens jerseys on next year (apart from those already here), too many other teams need top 6 help that can offer more - much more! We don't even have a 1st or 2nd to throw in with a player. Some teams have 2 1sts!

We need to take the unknowns or the players considered busts by most here. Smart trades will be needed & smart scouting & decision making. Anyone involved in the Despres trade should be excused when making any trades with 1 of our young D (accept that 1 or more will go). Anyone NOT involved in the Despres trade should be the captain of the decision making!

Leafs will want a 1st to start proceedings for JVR - they will laugh at anything we can offer unless 2 of our young D are proposed in my inexperienced opinion in hockey. Anyone offering 1 main & 1 lesser D for JVR??

I'd have to agree with this. Realistically, what would you be looking at for his return from the league and from the Pens?
- znagle

i honestly have no idea. To me, if i'm the LEafs GM i'm looking for quality over quantity (so a high pick or real good prospect instead of lower pickS or prospects).

Tough deal for Pit. i do like that goalie for Wilkes barre, matt murray. Him and kapanen would probably get it done for me

I think the sooner we move JVR the more he is worth. he isn't a rental, you get him for 3 years and he's in his prime. plus a very cap friendly deal.

EDIT: i'd take maata, but didn't think you were offering him. His injury plagued season is no concern for a rebuilding leafs team

No, it might not help "directly" but removing their spot on the roster and starting to use younger talent might help. Getting something for players who have to proven to be way overpaid instead of getting nothing is a good play.
Sutter can net you a return of a young wing that is NHL ready, but doesn't have top 6 potential, and a mid round draft pick.
Spaling would be a salary dump.

Yes, I know this doesn't help next season, but as these players have shown they aren't the difference makers either.
- usethe1-2-2

Pens have 2 top 6 holes, and 3 bottom 6 holes up front. Kap might fill in 1 hole same with Sundquest on the bottom 6. Those are maybes though.

Isn't JVR on the Leafs no touching list?
- Aussiepenguin

shanny has said so, but does that make sense to ANYONE? move him

i honestly have no idea. To me, if i'm the LEafs GM i'm looking for quality over quantity (so a high pick or real good prospect instead of lower pickS or prospects).

Tough deal for Pit. i do like that goalie for Wilkes barre, matt murray. Him and kapanen would probably get it done for me

I think the sooner we move JVR the more he is worth. he isn't a rental, you get him for 3 years and he's in his prime. plus a very cap friendly deal.

EDIT: i'd take maata, but didn't think you were offering him. His injury plagued season is no concern for a rebuilding leafs team
- clark_griswold

Would you really want Sutter who only has 1 yr left and a good chance of not staying i TOR for JVR? Seems like a bad move.

I'd pay for DP's Air Canada ticket if we could get JVR for him. Wouldn't hesitate on making that trade for 1 second.

Perron-Sid_Horny
JVR-Malkin-Comeau
Kunitz-Sutter-Duper
Spaling-Lap-Whatever

(And yes BB was intentionally omitted.)

That's pretty nice...

No way Tor does that deal though.
- 87_71_11_29

17mill
17
10.5
4
48 mill for the forwards
6.75-7 mill for goaltending
D core runs you right now 11 mill for four players if you trade DP

So you are looking at what? 66 mill spent with 2 D spots needed and a forward spot needed, not to mention extras and room for callups.

Tor says no to that. JVR is a power forward, young, and on a good contract. Highly valuable asset.
- 87_71_11_29

Unfortunately, thats about the best we can do other than adding in a pick, Bennett, expensive aging guys, or a B grade prospect.