Would you really want Sutter who only has 1 yr left and a good chance of not staying i TOR for JVR? Seems like a bad move.
- sammy87

i like sutter, but NO, and that's why i never mentioned him.

I'd pay for DP's Air Canada ticket if we could get JVR for him. Wouldn't hesitate on making that trade for 1 second.

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JVR-Malkin-Comeau
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(And yes BB was intentionally omitted.)

That's pretty nice...

No way Tor does that deal though.
- 87_71_11_29

I saw DP getting a ton of PP minutes to close the year for you guys. Is he the heir to Letang? is that his projection? wasn't he a high pick a few years back?

i honestly have no idea. To me, if i'm the LEafs GM i'm looking for quality over quantity (so a high pick or real good prospect instead of lower pickS or prospects).

Tough deal for Pit. i do like that goalie for Wilkes barre, matt murray. Him and kapanen would probably get it done for me

I think the sooner we move JVR the more he is worth. he isn't a rental, you get him for 3 years and he's in his prime. plus a very cap friendly deal.

EDIT: i'd take maata, but didn't think you were offering him. His injury plagued season is no concern for a rebuilding leafs team
- clark_griswold

Murray and Kap would be a done deal to me. Kap has some great upside and is killing it in the AHL since coming over, as is Murray. We need to move a goalie prospect. We have 2 of them that are pretty good and we have MAF for 5 more years.

Maatta would be tough... His last season he had the tumor removed and then re injured his shoulder. Kid is an absolute warrior.

i honestly have no idea. To me, if i'm the LEafs GM i'm looking for quality over quantity (so a high pick or real good prospect instead of lower pickS or prospects).

Tough deal for Pit. i do like that goalie for Wilkes barre, matt murray. Him and kapanen would probably get it done for me

I think the sooner we move JVR the more he is worth. he isn't a rental, you get him for 3 years and he's in his prime. plus a very cap friendly deal.

EDIT: i'd take maata, but didn't think you were offering him. His injury plagued season is no concern for a rebuilding leafs team
- clark_griswold

Murray/Jarry are a trade chips I forgot about. I would bit my lip and take that deal.

Would you really want Sutter who only has 1 yr left and a good chance of not staying i TOR for JVR? Seems like a bad move.
- sammy87

Sutter's next team will acquire him with the idea that they will extend him this summer. It will be the Staal situation all over again. He'll get his 4 or 5 for 5 years and he will be a massive disappointment for that team.

I saw DP getting a ton of PP minutes to close the year for you guys. Is he the heir to Letang? is that his projection? wasn't he a high pick a few years back?
- clark_griswold

He was the 8th overall pick from the pick we got back for Staal. He is better IMO than Letang on the PP already. He is not afraid to fire the puck and he always gets it on net.

If we wanted him, I don't see any way to obtain him. He is due for a raise, as well as 3-4 year deal from somewhere. I don't believe he'd take a 1 year deal, but perhaps the slimmest chance of a two year deal.

Could, and should we entertain him at 2 years for 9 mil? This is also assuming Kunitz is dealt somewhere, so you aren't going to have him AND Kunitz. So for another mil a year, is he going to improve a lot from Kunitz is what I am going for.

I saw DP getting a ton of PP minutes to close the year for you guys. Is he the heir to Letang? is that his projection? wasn't he a high pick a few years back?
- clark_griswold

He is very much a clone of Letang, but has a better shot and is less aggressive. He has a better poise about him that Tanger did at that age, but he lacks the edge Letang brings.
He could be a huge part to the future of this D core, along with Maatta. Trading him should not be an option.

i like sutter, but NO, and that's why i never mentioned him.
- clark_griswold

In this type of scenario you have the ace up the sleeve. How many top line teams need top 6 help? How many of those have picks, high end talent (though rebuilds you don't want that unless your looking for a captain) & top prospects? Every team would want JVR & 75% of those could offer what you guys want & need & 25% would over pay.

He is very much a clone of Letang, but has a better shot and is less aggressive. He has a better poise about him that Tanger did at that age, but he lacks the edge Letang brings.
He could be a huge part to the future of this D core, along with Maatta. Trading him should not be an option.
- usethe1-2-2

This is pretty much a perfect description of DP. I feel once he gets more confident and used to the NHL he will have a little bite to his game. Maybe not as much as Letang, but still a litte.

JVR is probably one of the only guys I let DP go for.

Trade talk like this JVR stuff is why the Despres trade makes me angry.

He in nowhere would be a key asset, but I would think adding a young, big, strong guy like Despres who has already proven to be a #4-#5 NHL d-man, would have put most potential deals over the edge.

Guys like Pouliot have good value because of their potential, but adding another young proven NHL d-man to a deal would be great insurance to a team I would think.

In this type of scenario you have the ace up the sleeve. How many top line teams need top 6 help? How many of those have picks, high end talent (though rebuilds you don't want that unless your looking for a captain) & top prospects? Every team would want JVR & 75% of those could offer what you guys want & need & 25% would over pay.
- Aussiepenguin

and that's my point. he's a unique cat - he's no rental, affordable, and in his prime.

he's 26, in 3 years he's a UFA at 29. NO CHANCE he signs with a rebuilding leafs team. to speed up the rebuild, you need as much quality future pieces as possible. I have no idea why he wouldn't be moved. He'll be wasted for 3 years on a bottom 5 lottery team IMO.

and that's my point. he's a unique cat - he's no rental, affordable, and in his prime.

he's 26, in 3 years he's a UFA at 29. NO CHANCE he signs with a rebuilding leafs team. to speed up the rebuild, you need as much quality future pieces as possible. I have no idea why he wouldn't be moved. He'll be wasted for 3 years on a bottom 5 lottery team IMO.
- clark_griswold

Exactly, this is what I was saying yesterday with Schneider and all the Devils fans called me crazy

Murray and Kap would be a done deal to me. Kap has some great upside and is killing it in the AHL since coming over, as is Murray. We need to move a goalie prospect. We have 2 of them that are pretty good and we have MAF for 5 more years.

Maatta would be tough... His last season he had the tumor removed and then re injured his shoulder. Kid is an absolute warrior.
- znagle

Have to remember we get JvR for 3 years. Its both a pro and a con. Pro is that he is great value right now. Con is that there is nearly a 100% chance we cant afford him on his next deal.

In Kapanen/Pouliot, we are giving up ELC players and potential 7-10 years of contribution for mid term solutions.

I still would do the Murray/Kapanen deal, but that could sting us in the long term.

Reason im asking about DP is i've been wondering if i take a flyer on him in my keeper fantasy pool next year. I was shocked to see him getting so much PP time at season's end.

sounds to me like you guys think he's gonna be an offensive stud? if so i'm definately taking him

Exactly, this is what I was saying yesterday with Schneider and all the Devils fans called me crazy
- znagle

Leaf fans are delusional. i was nearly banned for calling a bottom 5 finish in July last year (people were saying playoffs LOL).

leaf fans say keep him...for all the reasons he's attractive to other teams. Keeping jvr, only to see him walk is what' s going to make the rebuild longer. MUCH longer.

YOu have a point with CS too. meanwhile, ppl are saying NJ is moving their pick for kessel

and that's my point. he's a unique cat - he's no rental, affordable, and in his prime.

he's 26, in 3 years he's a UFA at 29. NO CHANCE he signs with a rebuilding leafs team. to speed up the rebuild, you need as much quality future pieces as possible. I have no idea why he wouldn't be moved. He'll be wasted for 3 years on a bottom 5 lottery team IMO.
- clark_griswold

Now here is a question - having an organisation with a history of fight & success, what low point will be the accepted level & for how long?

Edit: who is your alt or your real self?

Have to remember we get JvR for 3 years. Its both a pro and a con. Pro is that he is great value right now. Con is that there is nearly a 100% chance we cant afford him on his next deal.

In Kapanen/Pouliot, we are giving up ELC players and potential 7-10 years of contribution for mid term solutions.

I still would do the Murray/Kapanen deal, but that could sting us in the long term.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree on the Murray/Kap. Pouliot would have to be the only prospect and maybe a pick with him. He'll be a key player for us and probably grow into one of the core guys.

JVR for three years on a good deal would be heaven...

Reason im asking about DP is i've been wondering if i take a flyer on him in my keeper fantasy pool next year. I was shocked to see him getting so much PP time at season's end.

sounds to me like you guys think he's gonna be an offensive stud? if so i'm definately taking him
- clark_griswold

He is looking like he will break out next season and run the top PP unit with Letang.

Reason im asking about DP is i've been wondering if i take a flyer on him in my keeper fantasy pool next year. I was shocked to see him getting so much PP time at season's end.

sounds to me like you guys think he's gonna be an offensive stud? if so i'm definately taking him
- clark_griswold

Yeah he's a great offensive dman who's pretty good in his own end already. Our coach used to be his coach on the Winterhawks where DP won Dman of the year. Check out his Portland stats http://penguins.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8476884

And then his AHL stats

http://www.wbspenguins.co...r_id=4957&view=player_bio

Reason im asking about DP is i've been wondering if i take a flyer on him in my keeper fantasy pool next year. I was shocked to see him getting so much PP time at season's end.

sounds to me like you guys think he's gonna be an offensive stud? if so i'm definately taking him
- clark_griswold

fyi he's a penguin, not a flyer

This is pretty much a perfect description of DP. I feel once he gets more confident and used to the NHL he will have a little bite to his game. Maybe not as much as Letang, but still a litte.

JVR is probably one of the only guys I let DP go for.
- znagle

I like JVR, but I don't think we have as much defensive flexibility as we once had. Moving DP for JVR would work if Despres were still here. Not now IMO.

With Cole, Maatta, Pouliot, Dumo, and Harrington all NHL ready and on RFA controlled salary, you have future money to spend on UFA's. It won't be this summer, but next years class is pretty damn good.

Leaf fans are delusional. i was nearly banned for calling a bottom 5 finish in July last year (people were saying playoffs LOL).

leaf fans say keep him...for all the reasons he's attractive to other teams. Keeping jvr, only to see him walk is what' s going to make the rebuild longer. MUCH longer.

YOu have a point with CS too. meanwhile, ppl are saying NJ is moving their pick for kessel
- clark_griswold

With Shero now, that is a huge possibility.. If I were GM and knew we were rebuilding, I move the high quality pieces for picks/prospects. No reason to waste away your assets and lose them for nothing in a few years just to sell some jerseys.

Now here is a question - having an organisation with a history of fight & success, what low point will be the accepted level & for how long?

Edit: who is your alt or your real self?
- Aussiepenguin

i'm 34..i can wait as long as possible for it to be built right

I like JVR, but I don't think we have as much defensive flexibility as we once had. Moving DP for JVR would work if Despres were still here. Not now IMO.

With Cole, Maatta, Pouliot, Dumo, and Harrington all NHL ready and on RFA controlled salary, you have future money to spend on UFA's. It won't be this summer, but next years class is pretty damn good.
- usethe1-2-2

Yes but if the deal would happen this off season at the draft let's say, we could then plan for free agency. Maybe resing Hoff or grab one of the other guys.