I agree on the Murray/Kap. Pouliot would have to be the only prospect and maybe a pick with him. He'll be a key player for us and probably grow into one of the core guys.

JVR for three years on a good deal would be heaven...
- znagle

JVR with sid or malkin would be unreal. He would be better for Pit than fat phil. phil is too one dimensional

I like JVR, but I don't think we have as much defensive flexibility as we once had. Moving DP for JVR would work if Despres were still here. Not now IMO.

With Cole, Maatta, Pouliot, Dumo, and Harrington all NHL ready and on RFA controlled salary, you have future money to spend on UFA's. It won't be this summer, but next years class is pretty damn good.
- usethe1-2-2

The season after might be better for knowing which Dman you can move, but, thats another year of our Centers aging. While I don't believe that is as big a deal as some, I'd rather take a deal for one of our young Dmen now rather than waiting on it. Trade Deadline time maybe this season, but I don't want to wait another year.

Having Lovejoy, and Chorney could give us the flexibility to move one of our young D and not be punished too hard for it, it the return is a quality or top winger.

and that's my point. he's a unique cat - he's no rental, affordable, and in his prime.

he's 26, in 3 years he's a UFA at 29. NO CHANCE he signs with a rebuilding leafs team. to speed up the rebuild, you need as much quality future pieces as possible. I have no idea why he wouldn't be moved. He'll be wasted for 3 years on a bottom 5 lottery team IMO.
- clark_griswold

Just for kicks, what would you want from the Pens for fat man Kessel? (Assuming one cap dump is going back your way like Kunitz or Scuderi)

i'm 34..i can wait as long as possible for it to be built right
- clark_griswold

I'm thinking more about the jumper on the ice squad & the Toronto media?

How low is too low (Oiler/Buff low) & how long 2, 4, 5? years??

JVR with sid or malkin would be unreal. He would be better for Pit than fat phil. phil is too one dimensional
- clark_griswold

I agree. I hate when everyone says Kessel would kill it with 87/71! 1. like you said he is too one dimensional and 2. no way we can fit his contract in here

Yes but if the deal would happen this off season at the draft let's say, we could then plan for free agency. Maybe resing Hoff or grab one of the other guys.
- znagle

I see the logic, but I can't stand behind it. I can't trade anymore young D that are cheap and damn good. I can't watch guys like Engelland and Scuderi try to start the rush. The Pens breakout is dead before it begins.

I'm thinking more about the jumper on the ice squad & the Toronto media?

How low is too low (Oiler/Buff low) & how long 2, 4, 5? years??
- Aussiepenguin

leafs could go 0-82 and will still sell out every game and be the toast of the town. It's ridiculous how long this city could go (hell, look how long we have gone).

i wanted to blow it up last summer. The media did too. the media has been calling for a rebuild for a while.

I'm guessing this rebuild will be about 7 years. it's not going to be easy but it's necessary

I forget the talks we had a week or two ago (hard to pay attention while serving a bann), but what was our consensus on Semin? I recall the word is that Carolina was willing to eat half his salary to move him... Semin at 3.5 mil a year sounds really tempting depending on the cost to acquire.

And of course, I fully acknowledge his decline the last couple years, but that is what playing on a team in decline does. Could see a huge rebound getting a top Center to play with on a higher potent offense team like when he was with Washington.

Just for kicks, what would you want from the Pens for fat man Kessel? (Assuming one cap dump is going back your way like Kunitz or Scuderi)
- YouMeAndDupuis9

tough....

kunitz, 1st round pick next year, maata

for

kessel, $10,000 mcdonalds gift card to keep him happy

The season after might be better for knowing which Dman you can move, but, thats another year of our Centers aging. While I don't believe that is as big a deal as some, I'd rather take a deal for one of our young Dmen now rather than waiting on it. Trade Deadline time maybe this season, but I don't want to wait another year.

Having Lovejoy, and Chorney could give us the flexibility to move one of our young D and not be punished too hard for it, it the return is a quality or top winger.
- Guile

This thought has left our cupboards bare and forced us to believe teams can't contend with 32 year old superstars. It is a falacy. Stop trading away cheap contracts and productive assets.

Trade pieces that are not worth their value or are fleeing value IE Sutter

This thought has left our cupboards bare and forced us to believe teams can't contend with 32 year old superstars. It is a falacy. Stop trading away cheap contracts and productive assets.

Trade pieces that are not worth their value or are fleeing value IE Sutter
- usethe1-2-2

Dude... did you not read the sentence right after that? I said that isn't why I'd avoid it... but sooner is always better than later if the right deal or offer comes up.

I love Kessel. He gets an awful rap from Toronto media. He is fast, not fat. Highly skilled goal scoring winger. He is a weapon. Toronto putting half-assed centers on his line is not his fault. He should have played with Kadri all season.

This thought has left our cupboards bare and forced us to believe teams can't contend with 32 year old superstars. It is a falacy. Stop trading away cheap contracts and productive assets.

Trade pieces that are not worth their value or are fleeing value IE Sutter
- usethe1-2-2

............and get better value for your trades (choke cough splutter Despres)!

what are the chances that the pens would be interested in a deal around pouliot and hoffman (maybe ottawa throws in another asset, Dal 2nd rd pick).....i dont' know exactly how coveted a prospect he is, so i'm not 100% sure on what other asset sens woudl need to include.

hoffman is 25, 27 goal season, and probably the fastest (frank)er in the league. he's an RFA, probably not going to be looking for a ridiculous contract..........

thoughts

I love Kessel. He gets an awful rap from Toronto media. He is fast, not fat. Highly skilled goal scoring winger. He is a weapon. Toronto putting half-assed centers on his line is not his fault. He should have played with Kadri all season.
- usethe1-2-2

don't get me wrong. If you are talking offense, he's top 7 in the league. maybe top 5.

for top overall 50 players in the league (as in, im drafting to win for 1 year from all NHL players) he's not in the top 40.

what are the chances that the pens would be interested in a deal around pouliot and hoffman (maybe ottawa throws in another asset, Dal 2nd rd pick).....i dont' know how coveted a prospect he is, so i'm not 100% sure on what other asset sens woudl need to include.

hoffman is 25, 27 goal season, and probably the fastest (frank)er in the league. he's an RFA, probably not going to be looking for a ridiculous contract..........

thoughts
- sensarmy_11

Personally I wouldn't do it, Pouliot only goes in a deal for JVR for me. Ruth said that the young D were pretty much untouchable unless it's a better than great deal. I would love Hoffman though.

Interested in Sutter and Spaling?

Personally I wouldn't do it, Pouliot only goes in a deal for JVR for me. Ruth said that the young D were pretty much untouchable unless it's a better than great deal. I would love Hoffman though.

Interested in Sutter and Spaling?
- znagle

haha, no thanks.

i get your point about young D though.....i guess if you already traded one away, and the majority of your NHL d-men are up there in age, then moving a young guy is a littel harder to do.

edit: i changed my mind on sutter and spaling. my offer............neil and phillips

I see the logic, but I can't stand behind it. I can't trade anymore young D that are cheap and damn good. I can't watch guys like Engelland and Scuderi try to start the rush. The Pens breakout is dead before it begins.
- usethe1-2-2

It does seem a little ass backwards, to trade a young D for a forward and then sign an old D. But I really see no other way....I really dont want to go into next year adding Jiri Tlusty or Michael Frolik as answers.

I'd love JvR here. And if Murray & Kapanen get it done, I'd do it. But maybe instead such a big of a fish like JvR....we first agressively see what kind of winger Sutter and Harrington can get on the trade market.

It does seem a little ass backwards, to trade a young D for a forward and then sign an old D. But I really see no other way....I really dont want to go into next year adding Jiri Tlusty or Michael Frolik as answers.

I'd love JvR here. And if Murray & Kapanen get it done, I'd do it. But maybe instead such a big of a fish like JvR....we first agressively see what kind of winger Sutter and Harrington can get on the trade market.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

colin greening is available

tough....

kunitz, 1st round pick next year, maata

for

kessel, $10,000 mcdonalds gift card to keep him happy
- clark_griswold

Yikes, I couldnt pull the trigger on that. I like fat Phil more than most but top pairing Dmen on ELC cant be traded for a $8M one trick pony

haha, no thanks.

i get your point about young D though.....i guess if you already traded one away, and the majority of your NHL d-men are up there in age, then moving a young guy is a littel harder to do.
- sensarmy_11

Lol just jokes, but yeah he's definitely our most valuable young D man. 2 more years (I'm pretty sure) on his ELC deal and after that he'll most likely get a JVR type of deal. The next 7 years of his deal being cheap will be huge for us. By the time he'd be ready to make Letang money, Letang's deal would be up.

JVR would probably command a young roster player, top prospect and a 1st.

would pittsburgh be willing to give up Bennett,Pouliot, and a first?

............and get better value for your trades (choke cough splutter Despres)!
- Aussiepenguin

I'm still pissed about the Despres trade. I don't like trading good young assets like that. I hate trading good young cheap assets.

I forget the talks we had a week or two ago (hard to pay attention while serving a bann), but what was our consensus on Semin? I recall the word is that Carolina was willing to eat half his salary to move him... Semin at 3.5 mil a year sounds really tempting depending on the cost to acquire.

And of course, I fully acknowledge his decline the last couple years, but that is what playing on a team in decline does. Could see a huge rebound getting a top Center to play with on a higher potent offense team like when he was with Washington.
- Guile

I was more in favor of it than most. As long as we arent giving up much....Spaling and Scott Wilson or something....

At this point, I'd rather have Semin than Kunitz at the same price.

don't get me wrong. If you are talking offense, he's top 7 in the league. maybe top 5.

for top overall 50 players in the league (as in, im drafting to win for 1 year from all NHL players) he's not in the top 40.
- clark_griswold

Right, he isn't a building block to a franchise. He is the next piece to the puzzel, but can you blame him for the Leafs promotion of him as the savior when he never was going to be? He is doing everything he is supposed to, if not more given who he plays with.