JVR would probably command a young roster player, top prospect and a 1st.

would pittsburgh be willing to give up Bennett,Pouliot, and a first?
- GardinerExpress

No

Closest we could come to that would be DP, Bennett (although I think he breaks out next year) and Tristian Jarry.

It does seem a little ass backwards, to trade a young D for a forward and then sign an old D. But I really see no other way....I really dont want to go into next year adding Jiri Tlusty or Michael Frolik as answers.

I'd love JvR here. And if Murray & Kapanen get it done, I'd do it. But maybe instead such a big of a fish like JvR....we first agressively see what kind of winger Sutter and Harrington can get on the trade market.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If you were the leafs, would you give up a young 30/30 power forward making 4 mil for that?

Kapanen could be part of the return, but one of maata/pouliot would have to be as well if not more. shanny and dubas are well aware they have one of the best contracts in the league

JVR would probably command a young roster player, top prospect and a 1st.

would pittsburgh be willing to give up Bennett,Pouliot, and a first?
- GardinerExpress

No, and that is just about the same value I was thinking.

No

Closest we could come to that would be DP, Bennett (although I think he breaks out next year) and Tristian Jarry.
- znagle

Who?

JVR would probably command a young roster player, top prospect and a 1st.

would pittsburgh be willing to give up Bennett,Pouliot, and a first?
- GardinerExpress

I'd counter with this year's 2nd OR toronto adds a decent depth roster player

No

Closest we could come to that would be DP, Bennett (although I think he breaks out next year) and Tristian Jarry.
- znagle

bennett doesnt really hold much value. I dont think the leafs would be looking to take back a goalie prospect either unless reimer/bernier are moved. they already have two young goalies in the ahl and a guy who was the top goalie in the echl

No

Closest we could come to that would be DP, Bennett (although I think he breaks out next year) and Tristian Jarry.
- znagle

bennett doesnt really hold much value. I dont think the leafs would be looking to take back a goalie prospect either unless reimer/bernier are moved. they already have two young goalies in the ahl and a guy who was the top goalie in the echl

the thing you have to keep in mind is that it would take an overpayment, not a reasonable offer, to pry JVR out of toronto

bennett doesnt really hold much value. I dont think the leafs would be looking to take back a goalie prospect either unless reimer/bernier are moved. they already have two young goalies in the ahl and a guy who was the top goalie in the echl

the thing you have to keep in mind is that it would take an overpayment, not a reasonable offer, to pry JVR out of toronto
- GardinerExpress

i think that's a great point when discussing JVR. just like a guy on a bad contract loses value, a guy on as great a contract as JVR is on.....that adds a ton of value to the player. he probably has more trade value than any other player in the leafs organization.

bennett doesnt really hold much value. I dont think the leafs would be looking to take back a goalie prospect either unless reimer/bernier are moved. they already have two young goalies in the ahl and a guy who was the top goalie in the echl

the thing you have to keep in mind is that it would take an overpayment, not a reasonable offer, to pry JVR out of toronto
- GardinerExpress

I think Bennett holds no value, but has the back of the mind value of a possible break out season if he is healthy for once.

Real vs Perceived, but I'll admit to very heavy bias/wishful thinking on Bennett coming around one day.

If you were the leafs, would you give up a young 30/30 power forward making 4 mil for that?

Kapanen could be part of the return, but one of maata/pouliot would have to be as well if not more. shanny and dubas are well aware they have one of the best contracts in the league
- GardinerExpress

It depends what Toronto values. If they are trading JvR, aren't they rebuilding? Kap and Murray are our 2 best prospects. Kapanen being on an ELC is much more valuable to the Pens than the Leafs, which makes it difficult. Murray is as good of a goalie prospect as you could possibly find...but I dont know enough about Bernier/Reimer to know how much stock they would put into a goalie.

Is JvR really a power forward or is he just big? I was under the impression he's not overly physical but, tbh, i dont watch many leafs games.

Sutter, Kapanen/Pouliot, Murray for JvR + depth player would probably be the most we could give up.

Yikes, I couldnt pull the trigger on that. I like fat Phil more than most but top pairing Dmen on ELC cant be traded for a $8M one trick pony
- YouMeAndDupuis9

i wouldn't do it if i were Pit either. i don't think phil gets that much to be honest

Right, he isn't a building block to a franchise. He is the next piece to the puzzel, but can you blame him for the Leafs promotion of him as the savior when he never was going to be? He is doing everything he is supposed to, if not more given who he plays with.
- usethe1-2-2

this is also true. However, i think the whole 'if he had a better centre he'd get more points" argument is BS.

if he played in an actual hockey system, where he had to backcheck etc and it wasn't basically a shinny game, his offense wouldn't be what it is in TO either.

If you were the leafs, would you give up a young 30/30 power forward making 4 mil for that?

Kapanen could be part of the return, but one of maata/pouliot would have to be as well if not more. shanny and dubas are well aware they have one of the best contracts in the league
- GardinerExpress

JVr has gotten 30g once, exactly 30 g. and 60 points once.

Who?
- Guile

Our other goalie prospect

i wouldn't do it if i were Pit either. i don't think phil gets that much to be honest
- clark_griswold

i think he'll get a return similar to what the sens paid for Ryan.

a decent roster player (silfverberg), a B level prospect (noessen), and a mid to late 1st

bennett doesnt really hold much value. I dont think the leafs would be looking to take back a goalie prospect either unless reimer/bernier are moved. they already have two young goalies in the ahl and a guy who was the top goalie in the echl

the thing you have to keep in mind is that it would take an overpayment, not a reasonable offer, to pry JVR out of toronto
- GardinerExpress

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, especially because if he became available, all 29 GMs would want him. I was just saying that's probably the best we would go prospect wise

JVR would probably command a young roster player, top prospect and a 1st.

would pittsburgh be willing to give up Bennett,Pouliot, and a first?
- GardinerExpress

For my n**** van Riemsdyk? (frank) yes. The first hurts a lot and I am one of the proud, the few, the men who haven't given up on Bennett yet, but JVR is young, bordering on elite talent. He has what I consider to be the second best forward contract in the NHL after Max Pacioretty. If Despres was still with us this is a no brainer, but I'm willing to use some of our loose cap to sign a solution at defense if Pouliot needs to be moved in order to acquire such a cheep fix at the top 6 for years to come.

JVR-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Perron
Winnik-Soderberg-Dupuis
XXX-XXX-Comeau

Letang-Maatta
Sekera/Franson-Cole
Dumoulin-Lovejoy

Something like this should work under the cap, considering you trade Sutter and Spaling for any draft picks you can get and buyout Scuderi. Kapanen making the team allows you flexibility to move either Kunitz or Perron depending on whoever's currently underperforming to the third and Sundqvist making the team gives you another ELC on the bottom six. The defense isn't great, but it's solid and provides the forwards the puck moving talent that they need to play Penguins brand hockey at every line between Letang, Maatta, Sekera/Franson, and Dumoulin. Cole is also not immobile.

This team looks very good to me and it's worth moving yet another first and Pouliot for.

bennett doesnt really hold much value. I dont think the leafs would be looking to take back a goalie prospect either unless reimer/bernier are moved. they already have two young goalies in the ahl and a guy who was the top goalie in the echl

the thing you have to keep in mind is that it would take an overpayment, not a reasonable offer, to pry JVR out of toronto
- GardinerExpress

Reimer/Bernier aren't the answer.

Again, we will be bad for 5-7 years. So no point on banking on either of those guys.

Murray is a beast and i think we need as many prospects as possible. He'd instantly become our #1 goalie prospect

i think he'll get a return similar to what the sens paid for Ryan.

a decent roster player (silfverberg), a B level prospect (noessen), and a mid to late 1st
- sensarmy_11

Agreed. but don't tell leaf fans that or you'll get run out of town

Our other goalie prospect
- znagle

We have too many goalie prospects... Murray is the #1 in the AHL, and Zatkoff is a ready NHL backup.

We have too many goalie prospects... Murray is the #1 in the AHL, and Zatkoff is a ready NHL backup.
- Guile

Yeah that's why I was saying he would be part of the deal I would send out for JVR. I think Murray/Jarry go out eventually regardless of who it's for.

Agreed. but don't tell leaf fans that or you'll get run out of town
- clark_griswold

his contract, whehter people admit it or not, has a huge impact on his trade value. the teams looking to acqurie kessel are "win now" teams, and they aren't going to have a ton of cap room to take him on. it's going to affect the amount of teams who will make offers, which will in turn affect his value.

It depends what Toronto values. If they are trading JvR, aren't they rebuilding? Kap and Murray are our 2 best prospects. Kapanen being on an ELC is much more valuable to the Pens than the Leafs, which makes it difficult. Murray is as good of a goalie prospect as you could possibly find...but I dont know enough about Bernier/Reimer to know how much stock they would put into a goalie.

Is JvR really a power forward or is he just big? I was under the impression he's not overly physical but, tbh, i dont watch many leafs games.

Sutter, Kapanen/Pouliot, Murray for JvR + depth player would probably be the most we could give up.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

hitting wise? not at all...but he's a great net presence and has nifty hands in close. he also drives the net hard. He's not a huge banger/fighter though.

i'm a big jvr fan, but keeping him on the leafs makes ZERO sense.

and he definately gets more value now if traded vs later on (3 years of JVR vs a rental? not even close. should be moved now)

his contract, whehter people admit it or not, has a huge impact on his trade value. the teams looking to acqurie kessel are "win now" teams, and they aren't going to have a ton of cap room to take him on. it's going to affect the amount of teams who will make offers, which will in turn affect his value.
- sensarmy_11

no doubt

Yeah that's why I was saying he would be part of the deal I would send out for JVR. I think Murray/Jarry go out eventually regardless of who it's for.
- znagle

Well, I don't see any AHL stats for Jarry, so I doubt hes worth anything yet.

Murray might be a hot ticket for a team wanting to take a risk having him split time with a starter (or 2 others starts since thats a thing for some lol).