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Mr_Underwood
Nashville Predators
Location: McJesus take the wheel, NS
Joined: 02.25.2015

May 9 @ 1:31 PM ET
Best regular season winning percentage in the last 10 years. That must of been terrible for you.
- HealthyScratch6

Fixed
Old Pappy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.06.2006

May 9 @ 1:48 PM ET
When was the last time his team made the second round....just asking
Mr_Underwood
Nashville Predators
Location: McJesus take the wheel, NS
Joined: 02.25.2015

May 9 @ 1:54 PM ET
When was the last time his team made the second round....just asking
- Old Pappy

2013
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

May 9 @ 1:57 PM ET
-Trade Larrsson, Grigorenko, & the NYI first rd pick to Colorado; for Ryan O'Riley,

-Sign UFA Justin Williams @ 3 yrs/$5 mill per yr,



And Babcock might actually consider the idea!

- SuperCat


overpaying imo
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 9 @ 1:59 PM ET
overpaying imo
- feetontheair22


2 RFA's and a late 1st?

That's underpaying IMO
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

May 9 @ 2:00 PM ET
2 RFA's and a late 1st?

That's underpaying IMO

- Stripes77



still a lot of value there with those three. Personally, I would rather pay that for defensemen
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 9 @ 2:02 PM ET
still a lot of value there with those three. Personally, I would rather pay that for defensemen
- Sabresfan-365


I would argue Girgorenko doesn't have much value. Larsson has more because of his 2nd half of the season but in reality neither hold a ton of value
BigStew
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.09.2007

May 9 @ 2:02 PM ET
Pach - been a while since I expressed how impressed I am with every one of these blogs. Thanks again for the work.

Babcock wold be very interesting. I think he becomes the draw for the free agent signings that make TMGM's "two draft turnaround" a possibility.

The teardown acquires the picks, and the last two drafts stocks the shelves with youngins.

The picks and prospects make the trades possible - like Kane and Bogo.

Now we need to be able to acheive success in the Free Agent Market: we have the facilities, we have the pocketbook, we just need the system and the credibility in the league to draw the talent.

Ooh Ah - Sabres on a Warpath!

- Der Kaiser


I don't think we will see top free agents come here, with or without Babcock, until we actually start to win some games or we grossly overpay someone and I hope we don't grossly overpay for anyone this year.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 9 @ 2:02 PM ET
landed in Buffalo I'm here!!!!!!

it feels like I never. left California holy sh!t it's 90 here what?????
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

May 9 @ 2:08 PM ET
I would argue Girgorenko doesn't have much value. Larsson has more because of his 2nd half of the season but in reality neither hold a ton of value
- Stripes77


But the two of them combined with a 1st...

A package like that could get them a good young defensemen, probably a greater need than O'Reilly. Especially since I don't think you get him without giving up a defensemen.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

May 9 @ 2:13 PM ET
Looks like O'Connor signed in Ottawa. I wonder if Murray is on the phone trying to see if he can get one of the other goalies.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 9 @ 2:17 PM ET
But the two of them combined with a 1st...

A package like that could get them a good young defensemen, probably a greater need than O'Reilly. Especially since I don't think you get him without giving up a defensemen.

- Sabresfan-365


I don't see how a guy seen as a bust (Grigorenko) a 3rd liner (Larrson) and a "potential" 2nd or 3rd liner or bottom pairing guy is going to get you a good young defensemen or Ryan O'Reilly (who I don't personally want)

You can't just keep adding random pieces to make it work. It doesn't work like that. The throw in a late 2nd argument holds a lot of water.
grand-magus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "...i'd say you were high on mushrooms", GMTM, NY
Joined: 06.06.2014

May 9 @ 2:31 PM ET
Looks like O'Connor signed in Ottawa. I wonder if Murray is on the phone trying to see if he can get one of the other goalies.
- thatsapickle



I think it's either Lehner or Jones that he targets.

Dark horse could be a Tampa goalie.

Just my opinion.
Mr_Underwood
Nashville Predators
Location: McJesus take the wheel, NS
Joined: 02.25.2015

May 9 @ 2:40 PM ET
I think it's either Lehner or Jones that he targets.

Dark horse could be a Tampa goalie.

Just my opinion.

- grand-magus

May I interest you in 5 hole Jimmy?

Doubt you get a goalie out of Tampa unless it's Gudlevskis
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

May 9 @ 2:55 PM ET
I don't see how a guy seen as a bust (Grigorenko) a 3rd liner (Larrson) and a "potential" 2nd or 3rd liner or bottom pairing guy is going to get you a good young defensemen or Ryan O'Reilly (who I don't personally want)

You can't just keep adding random pieces to make it work. It doesn't work like that. The throw in a late 2nd argument holds a lot of water.

- Stripes77



Unless you don't view him as bust. adding random pieces would be if you just added random depth guys to the deal like willman or malone. But those two guys and the 1st have actual value. You won't land a superstar but its hardly the same as just tossing in a late 2nd to make things work.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 9 @ 3:14 PM ET
I don't see how a guy seen as a bust (Grigorenko) a 3rd liner (Larrson) and a "potential" 2nd or 3rd liner or bottom pairing guy is going to get you a good young defensemen or Ryan O'Reilly (who I don't personally want)

You can't just keep adding random pieces to make it work. It doesn't work like that. The throw in a late 2nd argument holds a lot of water.

- Stripes77

Most people outside of Buffalo don't view Grigorenko as a bust yet. Is he even 21 years old?

BigStew
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.09.2007

May 9 @ 3:22 PM ET
Most people outside of Buffalo don't view Grigorenko as a bust yet. Is he even 21 years old?
- sbroads24


Wasn't he 21 when he got drafted?

thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

May 9 @ 3:22 PM ET
Most people outside of Buffalo don't view Grigorenko as a bust yet. Is he even 21 years old?
- sbroads24



I believe he is, or is turning 21 this year.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

May 9 @ 3:23 PM ET
Wasn't he 21 when he got drafted?


- BigStew



Hahahahaha

Touche
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 9 @ 3:39 PM ET
Most people outside of Buffalo don't view Grigorenko as a bust yet. Is he even 21 years old?
- sbroads24


I'm saying in regards to a trade value how can a first round pick who has his offensive ability and has played 68 games and has only 14 points can be considered a good asset.
Pierceme69
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 02.13.2007

May 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
Most people outside of Buffalo don't view Grigorenko as a bust yet. Is he even 21 years old?
- sbroads24

I would say most people in Buffalo don't think he is a bust. He had a nice season in the AHL this year and he was coming on with the big club at the end of the season.
Pierceme69
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 02.13.2007

May 9 @ 3:50 PM ET
I'm saying in regards to a trade value how can a first round pick who has his offensive ability and has played 68 games and has only 14 points can be considered a good asset.
- Stripes77

How many of those games was he put in any type of situation to succeed? Maybe 30 at most?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 9 @ 4:02 PM ET
How many of those games was he put in any type of situation to succeed? Maybe 30 at most?
- Pierceme69


You and I get that. But tell me that's a reason he should be considered to have high value from a trade standpoint.
Pierceme69
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 02.13.2007

May 9 @ 4:07 PM ET
You and I get that. But tell me that's a reason he should be considered to have high value from a trade standpoint.
- Stripes77

I think teams do their due diligence prior to trades. They would know he wasn't really given a great shot.
siket71
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Gamehendge
Joined: 07.26.2006

May 9 @ 4:15 PM ET
I would argue Girgorenko doesn't have much value. Larsson has more because of his 2nd half of the season but in reality neither hold a ton of value
- Stripes77


I would argue he has more value staying w/ Buffalo and becoming a serviceable top 9 player as he finally has started to show signs of decent play. We all know the Sabres screwed up his development from the beginning...after some appropriate seasoning in Racha he's improved some...although he still likely needs more time on the farm unfortunately I don't think they can send him down anymore without clearing waivers.

I actually liked the play of the Grig-Gionta-Foligno line late in the season....although some of their goals got us all real nervous lol...thankfully it ended eicheliciously.
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