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tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

May 12 @ 8:39 PM ET
I am down for this scenario.

A couple changes in the D dept is what I would do.

1. DL trades danger prone Muzzin & slow Green (2 for 1 deal)
for a stud all star D to play with Drew all season.


2. Derek Forbort & Colin Miller(all star) can play for the 6th & 7th D respectfully.
Both are ready for the jump, not just one of these guys. Kings just
got faster and younger and less danger prone and slow.

3. If Williams bails, use the remaining on a free agent that
we need, or pull another trade.

My Opinion. GKG

- Kings fan since72


This is a classic example of armchair GM trade logic that kills a lot of fantasy teams. Most NHL GMs don't fall for this. The ones that do find themselves out of jobs almost immediately. Two average players do not equal an all-star. An above average player and a fringe NHLer do not equal an all-star. Muzzin would be a good starting-off point for a trade for an exceptional defensemen, but if you truly want an "all-star" return, it's going to take a lot more than just Muzzin and Greene.

For your scenario, Ekman-Larsson from Arizona would be a good player to target. He's a top-10 (if not top-5) defenseman in the league, and he plays for a team that isn't going to be good for the foreseeable future, so they might even be willing to trade him for young assets. OEL would probably cost us Muzzin, Pearson, a good young prospect (Kempe), and a 1st round pick. That's a heck of a lot to give up for one player, but that's what it would take. They'd probably throw in someone inconsequential like Lauri Korpikoski to fill our roster hole. OEL is signed for 4 more years at a cap-friendly $5.5M. Is it worth it? I'll let you decide.
blk4x499
Los Angeles Kings
Location: La Habra, CA
Joined: 07.18.2010

May 12 @ 8:47 PM ET
Also I let Sekera walk, I didn't see anything to me that says "Wow, we really need this guy!" especially not at 6 million. A 3-4 million? Sure, but not 6, he's wasn't the second best defender on the team.

I agree with this statement. He did not do anything to justify that kind of money rumored that he wants.

I would much rather keep Williams...My .02 worth
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: TERRACE LANCO, CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

May 12 @ 9:45 PM ET
This is a classic example of armchair GM trade logic that kills a lot of fantasy teams. Most NHL GMs don't fall for this. The ones that do find themselves out of jobs almost immediately. Two average players do not equal an all-star. An above average player and a fringe NHLer do not equal an all-star. Muzzin would be a good starting-off point for a trade for an exceptional defensemen, but if you truly want an "all-star" return, it's going to take a lot more than just Muzzin and Greene.

For your scenario, Ekman-Larsson from Arizona would be a good player to target. He's a top-10 (if not top-5) defenseman in the league, and he plays for a team that isn't going to be good for the foreseeable future, so they might even be willing to trade him for young assets. OEL would probably cost us Muzzin, Pearson, a good young prospect (Kempe), and a 1st round pick. That's a heck of a lot to give up for one player, but that's what it would take. They'd probably throw in someone inconsequential like Lauri Korpikoski to fill our roster hole. OEL is signed for 4 more years at a cap-friendly $5.5M. Is it worth it? I'll let you decide.

- tkecanuck341


***Cough, cough***Leafs Fans***cough, cough****
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 12 @ 11:18 PM ET
Dustin Brown has way more toxic of a contract than Carter for what he contributes.
- Jason_Lewis


Carter has value, brown does not. One of the top 5 current worst contracts.

Kings best path is to retool..... don't try to fight theintention of the salary cap - parody.

On second thought, looking at the top 8 eight playoff teams, hardly a dog contact among them, let alone 2. Probably a moot point.
hiway39
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 03.01.2010

May 13 @ 12:31 AM ET
Brown's remaining contract scares me the most. More so than even Richards... and that's saying something. Reason being eventually the Kings will be able to move Richards. But i think Lombardi will be incredibly hesitant to ship out the King who has been here the longest and captained the franchise to its first 2 cups. There's a loyalty factor in play here that Lombardi has a track record of giving to his players. and while it's easy to understand from an emotional standpoint, it's not a way to conduct your business when confronted with tough choices. I love Brown and all that he has given this organization, but you need to make choices based on the stats and facts. and Brown's career trajectory seems to be pointed in a pretty negative direction. players that make a living out of playing such a 'heavy' game tend to fade away as the physical toll on their body adds up. Unfortunately, Brown is no exception.
- Woodysdemise


Brown can be an effective 4th liner, something Richards cannot be. He'd be a very expensive one, but he's not as out of place as Richards is now. You can't move Richards, nobody wants him at the salary he's signed to unless you use him to even up a trade. I can't see any other outcome other than a buyout this summer. DL needs the cap space back (even if he'll lose massive cap space from it a few years from now).

The salary scenario also doesn't factor in the fact that Kopi is eligible to sign a long term deal this summer...and DL isn't going to fart around, so he needs as much space as he can get.
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

May 13 @ 2:30 AM ET
I assume he's talking about Jake Gardiner, who's under contract for another 4 years at just over $4M. I've heard those rumors also. I think this was a possibility when Nonis was still the GM, but anything that was possibly in the works went out the window when Nonis was fired last month.
- tkecanuck341



Richards isn't going to Toronto from what I've heard. He is going back to Philly.
dprice818
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 08.16.2011

May 13 @ 11:25 AM ET
Also I let Sekera walk, I didn't see anything to me that says "Wow, we really need this guy!" especially not at 6 million. A 3-4 million? Sure, but not 6, he's wasn't the second best defender on the team.

I agree with this statement. He did not do anything to justify that kind of money rumored that he wants.

I would much rather keep Williams...My .02 worth

- blk4x499


I'm with you guys on Sekera. The OEL trade suggested by canucks341 is a better deal than signing Sekera. We have guys ready to break thier NHL cherries and guys that get the job done but are held down because of the defensive depth. Sekera is going to command to much dough to make any sense of signing him. Williams will stay a King if he takes a bit of a hometown discount, unlikely beacause he will be overpaid elsewhere by a team that feels that, with his credentials, he is the missing puzzle piece. Cant blame Williams for wanting to get his last good cash grab. We can get him back later so he can retire a King, as he should.
Stu17
Los Angeles Kings
Location: If its Brown flush it down!, CA
Joined: 10.15.2013

May 13 @ 11:47 AM ET
I'm with you guys on Sekera. The OEL trade suggested by canucks341 is a better deal than signing Sekera. We have guys ready to break thier NHL cherries and guys that get the job done but are held down because of the defensive depth. Sekera is going to command to much dough to make any sense of signing him. Williams will stay a King if he takes a bit of a hometown discount, unlikely beacause he will be overpaid elsewhere by a team that feels that, with his credentials, he is the missing puzzle piece. Cant blame Williams for wanting to get his last good cash grab. We can get him back later so he can retire a King, as he should.
- dprice818

I haven't heard the term used since like '88. classic
bluecoconuts
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 13 @ 1:06 PM ET
Richards isn't going to Toronto from what I've heard. He is going back to Philly.
- sniper11


I'll pass on MacDonald.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

May 13 @ 2:39 PM ET
I'll pass on MacDonald.
- bluecoconuts


If he's talking about Philly, he means Lecavalier. With Richards and Stoll going away, there is a hole at 3rd line center. Nick Shore is not the answer.

MacDonald isn't that overpriced. He's somewhat injury prone, but he's a veteran puck mover that has been playing on weak defensive teams his entire year. His cap hit is $5M, I would say he's worth Martinez money ($4M). He's a left-handed defenseman however, and we would want a righty to replace Voynov, so I don't think he's the guy.
bluv34
San Jose Sharks
Joined: 06.08.2012

May 13 @ 5:04 PM ET
The Kings should have traded Quick to Toronto (instead of Jonathan Bernier). No NHL goaltender is worth more than $4 million. Yes, this includes Rask, Rinne and Lundqvist. Also, stop signing them for more than 3-4 years. There's always a Subban, Hutton and Talbot around the corner. Use the money instead on defensive depth. If you build a great defense, it doesn't matter who's in net. I'm looking at you Corey Crawford or the guy that saved your a** in the 1st round, Scott Darling ($575,000).
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

May 13 @ 6:44 PM ET
The Kings should have traded Quick to Toronto (instead of Jonathan Bernier). No NHL goaltender is worth more than $4 million. Yes, this includes Rask, Rinne and Lundqvist. Also, stop signing them for more than 3-4 years. There's always a Subban, Hutton and Talbot around the corner. Use the money instead on defensive depth. If you build a great defense, it doesn't matter who's in net. I'm looking at you Corey Crawford or the guy that saved your a** in the 1st round, Scott Darling ($575,000).
- bluv34


No, but I understand why a San Jose fan would want this.
dprice818
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 08.16.2011

May 14 @ 12:10 AM ET
I haven't heard the term used since like '88. classic
- Stu17

after reading it again it did sound a little inappropriate. lets just say they are ready for their cup of coffee and maybe a locker for the season
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 14 @ 1:46 AM ET
No, but I understand why a San Jose fan would want this.
- tkecanuck341

Quick = overrated
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