Jason Pomminville is a top 15 RW in this league please do not compare Hodgson and Girgorenko to him again. Pommer also is one of the most responsible wingers as well.
- Stripes77

I was shocked that guys like Callahan and Dustin Brown played in the Olympics over Pominville

I was shocked that guys like Callahan and Dustin Brown played in the Olympics over Pominville
- sbroads24

Him playing in Buffalo and being captain when they started the tear down process hurt his credentials IMO. He is probably the most underrated player in the league

The guy that played at a 50 point pace once he got traded?
- sbroads24

"On pace" is just a fancy saying for "haven't finished the job". That's fine that he can get hot and score points, but he has to be responsible in his end above all else. Watching him play defensively in the playoffs almost made me want to pull my hair out. But I remembered he doesn't play for the Sabres :'D

I would actually enjoy Hodgson to be on the wing with Girgensons and Larsson. That would be a pretty productive 3rd line. I kind of want to see Gionta play on the second line with Reinhart.

I know, I know, but hear me out. I think it would do Reinhart a lot of good to play with a leader in Gionta. Let's not forget this upcoming year is still pretty experimental, I think Reinhart would really be if it more playing with Gionta rather than Hodgson, Girgensons, Grigorenko, etc..
- awildmudkip

This is basically what I was saying with the switch Girgs/Reinhart thing.

Moulson - Reinhart - Gionta
Grigs - Girgs - Hodgson

No real 3rd/2nd line, play them pretty evenly so start off.

Leaves Foligno - / - Larsson for 4th line.

Jason Pomminville is a top 15 RW in this league please do not compare Hodgson and Girgorenko to him again. Pommer also is one of the most responsible wingers as well.
- Stripes77

I never did though......

This is basically what I was saying with the switch Girgs/Reinhart thing.

Moulson - Reinhart - Gionta
Grigs - Girgs - Hodgson

No real 3rd/2nd line, play them pretty evenly so start off.

Leaves Foligno - / - Larsson for 4th line.
- Herzeleid

You're missing the part where Larsson is playing with Girgensons and Grigorenko not Hodgson.

Basically he is saying Hodgson doesn't belong in the top 9, like most of us have been.

This is basically what I was saying with the switch Girgs/Reinhart thing.

Moulson - Reinhart - Gionta
Grigs - Girgs - Hodgson

No real 3rd/2nd line, play them pretty evenly so start off.

Leaves Foligno - / - Larsson for 4th line.
- Herzeleid

Totally agree! Except I really like Larsson on the 3rd line. I think he brings that much more of an impact! Then again, the thought of "wow, we're running out of roster space for all these promising players" is something we haven't had in quite some time

The guy that played at a 50 point pace once he got traded?
- sbroads24

To be fair, he's wouldn't the first player to get that kind of shot in the arm at the trade deadline and not maintain it, nor would he be the last.

I never did though......
- Herzeleid

I am done with this conversation. You're talking yourself in circles.

You're missing the part where Larsson is playing with Girgensons and Grigorenko not Hodgson.

Basically he is saying Hodgson doesn't belong in the top 9, like most of us have been.
- Stripes77

Actually the person I quoted said he would enjoy HODGSON with Girgs and Larsson.

To be fair, he's wouldn't the first player to get that kind of shot in the arm at the trade deadline and not maintain it, nor would he be the last.
- buffalofan19

Honestly, I don't care at this point. If you think him scoring close to 50 points as a 19 year old rookie, coincidentally the last time he actually was on a competent team was a fluke , than so be it.

The Jets probably are going to trade Byfuglien or move him permanently to forward because Myers and Trouba are both better than him

Nobody wants ROR but they think Hodgson is a top 6
- SABRES 89

That's a false statement.

I am done with this conversation. You're talking yourself in circles.
- Stripes77

All I said was a line with Pommers, Hodgson (the new fav guy to hate and player being discussed) and Vanek (known for disappearing and no defensive play) was nowhere near as bad as you are making out my proposed line of Grigs - Girgs - Hodgson to be.

I even said Hodgson wouldn't have to be center--less defensive responsibility.

Pommers/Girgs - The responsible two-way one.

Vanek/Grigs - Grigs would even have the edge as far as defensive play goes

Hodgson/Hodgson - Same person

Line A wasn't a defensive nightmare that crippled our team, Line B wouldn't be either.

All I said was a line with Pommers, Hodgson (the new fav guy to hate and player being discussed) and Vanek (known for disappearing and no defensive play) was nowhere near as bad as you are making out my proposed line of Grigs - Girgs - Hodgson to be.

I even said Hodgson wouldn't have to be center--less defensive responsibility.

Pommers/Girgs - The responsible two-way one.

Vanek/Grigs - Grigs would even have the edge as far as defensive play goes

Hodgson/Hodgson - Same person

Line A wasn't a defensive nightmare that crippled our team, Line B wouldn't be either.
- Herzeleid

Hodgson sucks, move along, nothing to see here.

All I said was a line with Pommers, Hodgson (the new fav guy to hate and player being discussed) and Vanek (known for disappearing and no defensive play) was nowhere near as bad as you are making out my proposed line of Grigs - Girgs - Hodgson to be.

I even said Hodgson wouldn't have to be center--less defensive responsibility.

Pommers/Girgs - The responsible two-way one.

Vanek/Grigs - Grigs would even have the edge as far as defensive play goes

Hodgson/Hodgson - Same person

Line A wasn't a defensive nightmare that crippled our team, Line B wouldn't be either.
- Herzeleid

Pommer is much better than Girgensons

Vanek wasn't nearly as bad in our own zone as you think he would just make dumb passes that ended up in our net, Grigorenko is not as good as Vanek in our own zone, Vanek won a lot more puck battles than Grigorenko has. Hodgson playing the wing has turned out worse defensive play than Hodgson playing center.

Hodgson sucks, move along, nothing to see here.
- ImNoTroll

THIS!!!!!!!

Hodgson sucks, move along, nothing to see here.
- ImNoTroll

Not offensively.

Not offensively.
- Herzeleid

Call last year an anomaly if you want but he is still not a top 6 forward he is barely putting up 45 points a year. On a playoff team he is scratched especially come playoff time

Hodgson sucks, move along, nothing to see here.
- ImNoTroll

If he sucks as much as everyone here claims, wouldn't people who are professional scouts and coaching staff feed some more information to the general manager and say "yeah, he's absolutely garbage despite still being young and having upside with a friendly cap hit. We should just buy him out."

Call last year an anomaly if you want but he is still not a top 6 forward he is barely putting up 45 points a year. On a playoff team he is scratched especially come playoff time
- Stripes77

Didn't he produce fairly well for Vancouver when they went on their run? I agree Hodgson is not a solid top 2 line guy, but he can produce in the right fit.

Didn't he produce fairly well for Vancouver when they went on their run? I agree Hodgson is not a solid top 2 line guy, but he can produce in the right fit.
- awildmudkip

If he produced as well as you think why did they move him?

There is a reason he is a candidate for a buyout.

If he produced as well as you think why did they move him?

There is a reason he is a candidate for a buyout.
- Stripes77

They moved him because they had Sedin and Kesler down the middle and they felt the need to get tougher after Boston bullied them in the cup final.

That's why they wanted Kassian

Pommer is much better than Girgensons

Vanek wasn't nearly as bad in our own zone as you think he would just make dumb passes that ended up in our net, Grigorenko is not as good as Vanek in our own zone, Vanek won a lot more puck battles than Grigorenko has. Hodgson playing the wing has turned out worse defensive play than Hodgson playing center.
- Stripes77

FWIW, he still does this.

If he sucks as much as everyone here claims, wouldn't people who are professional scouts and coaching staff feed some more information to the general manager and say "yeah, he's absolutely garbage despite still being young and having upside with a friendly cap hit. We should just buy him out."


- awildmudkip

4.25 million per year until the end of the 2018-2019 season is not something I would say is friendly

FWIW, he still does this.
- buffalofan19

Oh I know we saw it in the playoffs