Sometime over the next 3 years. Could be in 2017, or next year, where we have 10 picks
- TheThrill

I'd prefer it to be this year's 3rd, keeping open options for an offersheet in 2016 or 2017. If the 3rd does not have to be the Leafs pick, leafs can try and trade for the third and then get that third to Detroit.

wow....it's wierd how so many good teams over the years haven't won..but the ducks in 07 don't count; maybe they were too good?

RC won a cup. the leafs have been garbage before and after. All the would have/could haves don't matter until it's proven he's bad and they were good.
- clark_griswold

Whaaaa?


He was a train wreck in his last years with the ducks. They removed him and the same identical team improved 10fold immediately.


But yeah, the coach doesn't matter.

never say never but very doubtful when you look around the league at the variations on the PP of teams
- clark_griswold

Maybe Phil demanded he play with Bozak? There were a few times they would play him with Kadri and it wouldn't last more than a game or two at the most.

wishlist:

1. Assistant Coach: Guy Boucher
2. GM: David Poile

3. Trade Dion (absolute priority!) (Couturier??)
4. Trade Lupul (2nd round pick?)
5. Keep Bozak (#2C) , Kessel, JVR, Gardiner.
6. Trade for John Gibson (Reimer ++).

6. Draft Marner @4, or Hanifin if he's not there anymore
7. Draft Sprong or Meloche @24.
8. Get a 2nd round pick to draft Matej Tomek.
- MaximusAurelius

Eww.

I wonder if O'Neill got his wish and is at the press conference after yesterday.
- KesselRules

He's on with geno retta right now at acc.

Whaaaa?


He was a train wreck in his last years with the ducks. They removed him and the same identical team improved 10fold immediately.


But yeah, the coach doesn't matter.
- burn

Yes, but at the same time Boudreau was a train wreck with the Caps and look at him now.

Whaaaa?


He was a train wreck in his last years with the ducks. They removed him and the same identical team improved 10fold immediately.


But yeah, the coach doesn't matter.
- burn

By what having a better regular season? What have they won since?

like i said he got 180 mins on the PP. more than alot of very good NHL players. he was 8th on the team. that's not insignificant PP time.

would he be better than bozak? probably. do both players suck currently? yes.
- clark_griswold

Kadri was one of our best pp players 2 yrs ago, and this year he gets 8th mins? This makes sense to you?

Oh ok, so because the Leafs didn't have those players, he is a bad coach and didn't deserve his Stanley Cup win?
- PatC80

No.

He coached a star laden team to a cup, as most coaches who win the cup tend to do.


What makes him a bad coach was that he refused to take the lessons he could have learned from a team with strong possession guys on it, and as those players moved on, he didn't do anything with his system to help keep the puck under his team's control, and wound up losing more and more games as the possession numbers dropped. Something that reversed as soon as he left.


And what makes things even worse is that he didn't stick to the defensive system he tried running when he first got to the Leafs, and just let them play a loose, all offense style that burned itself out year after year.


Is that not enough?

of course it's part of the equation.. not the be all end all like some make it out to be.
- clark_griswold

Of course not, there's so much fluidity, luck and other factors, not to mention that an appropriate sample size is so often overlooked. The benefit however is that the stats are not inherently subject to bias in the same way that we as humans are

No.

He coached a star laden team to a cup, as most coaches who win the cup tend to do.


What makes him a bad coach was that he refused to take the lessons he could have learned from a team with strong possession guys on it, and as those players moved on, he didn't do anything with his system to help keep the puck under his team's control, and wound up losing more and more games as the possession numbers dropped. Something that reversed as soon as he left.


And what makes things even worse is that he didn't stick to the defensive system he tried running when he first got to the Leafs, and just let them play a loose, all offense style that burned itself out year after year.


Is that not enough?
- Feeling Glucky?

Babcock, ahem.

Yes, but at the same time Boudreau was a train wreck with the Caps and look at him now.
- 1979AD

No you're wrong.. Boudreau is a better coach than Carlyle, because Anaheim has Perry, Getzlaf and Kesler. The Leafs didn't, which makes Carlyle a terrible coach.

Why are Leafs TV showing a game before the conference?

Stop trying to make us relive last season.

By what having a better regular season? What have they won since?
- PatC80

Well you got to have that to get the next part no? They went from a non playoff team to a cup condender with no personnel changes.

Whaaaa?


He was a train wreck in his last years with the ducks. They removed him and the same identical team improved 10fold immediately.


But yeah, the coach doesn't matter.
- burn

Nothing beats how adamant you were the leafs would improve after RC was fired. Tops.

You can use all the hypotheticals you want. I choose facts.

By what having a better regular season? What have they won since?
- PatC80

A spot in the playoffs. Once there it's a crapshoot, but gotta make it first

Nothing beats how adamant you were the leafs would improve after RC was fired. Tops.

You can use all the hypotheticals you want. I choose facts.
- clark_griswold

Pardon?

Nothing beats how adamant you were the leafs would improve after RC was fired. Tops.

You can use all the hypotheticals you want. I choose facts.
- clark_griswold

The things (facts) I post are hypothetical, but yours are facts?


Love this place.

Kadri was one of our best pp players 2 yrs ago, and this year he gets 8th mins? This makes sense to you?
- burn

Well....hes not replacing 4 players right off the hop (81, jvr, 2 D). Then typically D get more ice time, so thats 6. So i guess that leaves bozak. We know u love nazem, i hate both so i could care less between bozak and kadri. So yes it somewhat makes sense considering bozak has gotten more points tha kadri most years,l. But again both suck so i dont care.

No you're wrong.. Boudreau is a better coach than Carlyle, because Anaheim has Perry, Getzlaf and Kesler. The Leafs didn't, which makes Carlyle a terrible coach.
- PatC80

Both those guys had the same players. one guy left as a non playoff team, the other guy came in and turned them back into a playoff team

everyone claiming kadri wasn't used enough etc and should get more pp mins. seems every coach we've had disagrees.
- clark_griswold

all the leafs fired coaches who had terrible records with the leafs?

Nothing beats how adamant you were the leafs would improve after RC was fired. Tops.

You can use all the hypotheticals you want. I choose facts.
- clark_griswold

I am looking forward to some of the small changes that Babcock will make (from watching Detroit vs Toronto):

1) Smarter line changes. No peeling to the bench when the other team has the cup unless you're dead on your feet
2) Smarter puck possession. Goodbye dump and chase!
3) Making it much more difficult for the opposition to carry the puck over our blueline.

Even those small changes should have a positive impact

Babcock, ahem.
- 1979AD

Yup.

You're not going to win the cup with a bad team.

That Ducks team though was ridiculous. Similar to Chicago as of late.

The difference between Babcock and Carlyle is that Babcock's team continued to play well after the top players started faltering. The underlying numbers are still good, and they're a threat every year, inspite of seeing lots of injuries to important players.

May have more to do with his general attitude than his skills, to be honest.
- Pecafan Fan

that I could see