Yeah, and what's scary is that if Mackenzie Stewart would get sent back to the WHL next year or had remained unsigned, I don't think his junior team would even consider him valuable enough to keep him as one of their overage players.
- Nucker101

I think his team have 5 eligible overagers, so he very likely would not of been one of the guys selected.

Benning's quote the other day about having 11 NHL ready D scares me as the only waiver ineligibles we have so far are Subban, Hutton, Cederholm, Pedan and Stewart.

Hutton and Pedan have the most experience but neither look close to good enough from what I have seen.
Cederholm and Stewart have the size but I really doubt they they will be ready for a few years at best.

Subban likely needs to learn how to play against men before he will be ready but I probably see him or Pedan the most likely stepping in at some point next year.

I think his team have 5 eligible overagers, so he very likely would not of been one of the guys selected.

Benning's quote the other day about having 11 NHL ready D scares me as the only waiver ineligibles we have so far are Subban, Hutton, Cederholm, Pedan and Stewart.

Hutton and Pedan have the most experience but neither look close to good enough from what I have seen.
Cederholm and Stewart have the size but I really doubt they they will be ready for a few years at best.

Subban likely needs to learn how to play against men before he will be ready but I probably see him or Pedan the most likely stepping in at some point next year.
- belcherbd

What scares me about that quote is that Weber will be re-signed and Bieksa is still here in September.

I wouldn't be surprised if he lets Stanton walk since Torts loved him and WD doesn't seem to like him.

I think his team have 5 eligible overagers, so he very likely would not of been one of the guys selected.

Benning's quote the other day about having 11 NHL ready D scares me as the only waiver ineligibles we have so far are Subban, Hutton, Cederholm, Pedan and Stewart.

Hutton and Pedan have the most experience but neither look close to good enough from what I have seen.
Cederholm and Stewart have the size but I really doubt they they will be ready for a few years at best.

Subban likely needs to learn how to play against men before he will be ready but I probably see him or Pedan the most likely stepping in at some point next year.
- belcherbd

Yep.

Sounds like we will have 2 dmen in the press box at all times Something has to give.

What scares me about that quote is that Weber will be re-signed and Bieksa is still here in September.

I wouldn't be surprised if he lets Stanton walk since Torts loved him and WD doesn't seem to like him.
- Nucker101

While I liked Stanton as a depth guy, I won't be too disappointed to see him go.

Corrado and Clendenning are likely going to be the 7/8 guys and I'm okay with that over Stanton.

I agree it sounds like Weber will be resigned but to do that Benning needs to move some salary. Whether that is Bieksa or not I don't know but currently I don't see how he is able to resign Vey, Baertschi, Kennins, Clendening, Corrado and possibly Markstrom. All of whom I expect to see on the active roster next year.

6 RFA's and around 7 million (assuming Lack is gone) in cap is going to be hard and that doesn't account for Weber or Grenier.

Nope, I like those 3 so far. Especially Baertschi. Vey looked like a small/weak 4th liner, if those guys do the same next year then I'll probably be down on them as well.
- Nucker101

Vey has the wrists of an 11 year old. He doesn't win many faceoffs.

Maybe on ice personality, off ice Perry seems more approachable. But who knows until you sit down and have a beer with them.



Don't know why I have such a hate on for Kesler.

Watching that play the other day on Kreuger, just thought that has to be pretty distressing not being able to breathe with some guy holding our down leaning on your neck.

Kesler is great when he is on his game. Not disputing that. Just doesn't see like much of a person. Hate the lies and bs when he asked to be traded and hearing how wonderful it was in Cali as opposed to life in BC.

Outside of hockey, he is
- hillbillydeluxe

That play went outside the boundaries of hockey , choking a guy with your stick and and the weight of your body. Krueger should have said screw the penalty You POS you are not going to play anymore this year. Taken the 5 minute penalty and kiss Kesler goodbye

Do you think that's more to do with perception than reality? I agree that he seemed like a selfish player but I'm not so sure that's true once I looked at his numbers.

NHL totals: 736 gms, 202 g, 238 a, 440 p, 669 pim

In 2009-2010 he had 25 goals, 50 assists, in 82 games. In the 12 playoff games he had that year; 1 goal, 9 assists.

When he was on the U.S. national team he was listed as a playmaker. Do you think the quality of line mates he had might have something to do with the perception of selfishness?
- bloatedmosquito

Back in 2010 2011 he was a playmaker. Then he started reading the newspaper clippings and went to town on his love affair with himself

Vey has the wrists of an 11 year old schoolgirl. He doesn't win many faceoffs.
- thundachunk

fixed

Exaclty, I really thought the Brodin and Hjalmarsson contracts would be the blueprint for Tanev's contract.

Tanev got a bit more but only by a couple 100K, it would of been nice for Benning to of saved that cap but he tends to overpay on all his contracts.
- belcherbd

Wait till he re-signs Bieksa for 6 more years at 6 mil per with NMC

I can live with overpaying by about 250K, but not 3 million......

Yet it seemed like there was more rage about Tanev's deal than Sbisa's on this site.
- Nucker101

I wonder if it was the 2 goals or 23 hits. Just can't please so fans

I wonder if it was the 2 goals or 23 hits. Just can't please so fans
- VANTEL

Probably the rock solid defensive play that really pissed them off, makes their boy Sbisa look like a clown.


First rule of playing defenseman...defend. It's a joke that their salaries are even somewhat close, Tanev deserves 8 million if Sbisa's worth 3.6

Probably the rock solid defensive play that really pissed them off, makes their boy Sbisa look like a clown.


First rule of playing defenseman...defend. It's a joke that their salaries are even somewhat close, Tanev deserves 8 million if Sbisa's worth 3.6
- Nucker101

As blinded as you claim others are about Sbisa , you are the same with Tanev. You defend him like he is a top 20 Dman in the league.


I would gladly trade everyone of our Dmen in a blink of an eye. This team is not built for playoffs. Your boy Tanev looked just as rattled as any other Dmen during that calgary series

What scares me about that quote is that Weber will be re-signed and Bieksa is still here in September.

I wouldn't be surprised if he lets Stanton walk since Torts loved him and WD doesn't seem to like him.
- Nucker101

It's truly frightening that all three of them will most likely be here in the fall.

It's truly frightening that all three of them will most likely be here in the fall.


- LordHumungous

I don't see it. I think if Bieksa Higgins are still on this team and our D still sucks , JB will have a hard time explaining the empty seats to FA. They had to come with last minute stupid gimmicks last year to fill the seats like Student Half Price sales.

Another year of the same stuff will equal more empty seats

As blinded as you claim others are about Sbisa , you are the same with Tanev. You defend him like he is a top 20 Dman in the league.


I would gladly trade everyone of our Dmen in a blink of an eye. This team is not built for playoffs. Your boy Tanev looked just as rattled as any other Dmen during that calgary series
- VANTEL

Exactly. We overpay for Tanev/Sbisa and so many on here are crying about paying Franson over 5mil per.

As blinded as you claim others are about Sbisa , you are the same with Tanev. You defend him like he is a top 20 Dman in the league.


I would gladly trade everyone of our Dmen in a blink of an eye. This team is not built for playoffs. Your boy Tanev looked just as rattled as any other Dmen during that calgary series
- VANTEL

Nope, I value him as a solid #2 guy who would be great on a top pair with a point producer or as a anchor on a 2nd pairing in a shutdown role. He's not the problem.

Sbisa doesn't bring offense or defense
Bieksa doesn't bring offense or defense
Edler is no longer bringing offense and I question his defensive play w/o Tanev



He look rattled in a #1 d-man role so we should trade him because he's more of a #2/#3 guy and that's gonna improve our team? WRONG

I don't see it. I think if Bieksa Higgins are still on this team and our D still sucks , JB will have a hard time explaining the empty seats to FA. They had to come with last minute stupid gimmicks last year to fill the seats like Student Half Price sales.

Another year of the same stuff will equal more empty seats
- VANTEL

Fair enough and very true.

Change truly has to start coming.

"Hey guys our defense sucks! Any suggestions?"

Yeah! Let's trade our 25 year old top 4 dman!"

Nope, I value him as a solid #2 guy who would be great on a top pair with a point producer or as a anchor on a 2nd pairing in a shutdown role. He's not the problem.

Sbisa doesn't bring offense or defense
Bieksa doesn't bring offense or defense
Edler is no longer bringing offense and I question his defensive play w/o Tanev



He look rattled in a #1 d-man role so we should trade him because he's more of a #2/#3 guy and that's gonna improve our team? WRONG
- Nucker101

On the Canucks Tanev is a solid #2 guy yes...maybe #3 after Hammer and Edler but there are pretty much 25 other teams where Tanev is #3-4 at best.

If Hjarlmarsson can play 25-30 minutes effectively for one of the best teams in the league then I have no issues with Chris Tanev on my team.

On the Canucks Tanev is a solid #2 guy yes...maybe #3 after Hammer and Edler but there are pretty much 25 other teams where Tanev is #3-4 at best.
- LordHumungous

He'd be a top tier #3 guy only because he didn't generate offense, no worse than that.

A) Either use contribute to use him in a shutdown role and try to build a more offensive other top 4 pairing

Or

B) Play him with an offensive top 4 dman on a top pairing

Nope, I value him as a solid #2 guy who would be great on a top pair with a point producer or as a anchor on a 2nd pairing in a shutdown role. He's not the problem.

Sbisa doesn't bring offense or defense
Bieksa doesn't bring offense or defense
Edler is no longer bringing offense and I question his defensive play w/o Tanev
- Nucker101

Tanev is a decent guy. If your team is relying on him as a top guy you are screwed. You are the team brining knives to a gunfight and you will get your ass kicked.

He is mostly reliable but he won't put up numbers , he won't be the guy to skate the puck out like Keith or any PMD , he won't intimidate or move big bodies from the net, he is just a nice reliable Dman. You need to let go of this love affair and look at the results. This team does not win playoff games. Fix that

Tanev is a decent guy. If your team is relying on him as a top guy you are screwed. You are the team brining knives to a gunfight and you will get your ass kicked.

He is mostly reliable but he won't put up numbers , he won't be the guy to skate the puck out like Keith or any PMD , he won't intimidate or move big bodies from the net, he is just a nice reliable Dman. You need to let go of this love affair and look at the results. This team does not win playoff games. Fix that
- VANTEL

He's not he problem.


The bottom line that he was very good defensively based on this entire season.

He's not he problem.


The bottom line that he was very good defensively based on this entire season.
- Nucker101

He was part of a soft D . He is part of the problem. You want to change my opinion then WIN

He'd be a top tier #3 guy only because he didn't generate offense, no worse than that.

A) Either use contribute to use him in a shutdown role and try to build a more offensive other top 4 pairing

Or

B) Play him with an offensive top 4 dman on a top pairing
- Nucker101

I pick A.

I always pick A
It's in my name

Edit: I brined pork chops today hmmmmmmmmmmm