IMO he compliments the stud he is paired with
- homiedclown

I agree

Listen, I'm not calling Bogosian a HOFer, but he will be a solid 2nd line D man, who is tough and knows how to play in his own end and is only 24. He is what the Sabres needed to supplement Risto, Zads, Pysyk, Mcabe. Besides Zads they needed more toughness and they got it.
- GilPerreault11

I agree he's a good 2nd pairing defender on this team for the next few years.

If there is a minute to go in the game and we are up by a goal, I hope Ristolainen is out there before him is all I'm saying. I don't think his game is one of a shut down defender

Yup.

It's the same Jake Gardiner argument I have with people.

If the possession doesn't amount to anything, what is the point exactly?
- sbroads24

While I understand the value in players like that, I don't get it overall.

Aren't those kinds of players best as your 4th line guys, especially with how important rolling all 4 lines is now in the NHL and how important it is to have scoring coming from at least your top 3 lines?

I will absolutely get called out on this, but possession, IMO, is an overrated stat.

It's a stat that could easily be called keep away and if the trend is followed as it seems to be going now, hockey is going to turn more and more into soccer, and I am not a fan of that.

Start calling all the penalties again and I believe that will both bring back speed and flow into the game while likely putting less importance on possession.

e kane, eichel, ror
ennis, j staal, reinhart
moulson, girgens, gionta
deslauriers, larsson, foligno


discuss

e kane, eichel, ror
ennis, j staal, reinhart
foligno, girgens, gionta
deslauriers, larsson, mcCormick


discuss
- homiedclown

O'Reilly I get. Staal I do not and want nothing to do with him.

The team needs more scoring and he is certainly not the answer for that.

O'Reilly I get. Staal I do not and want nothing to do with him.

The team needs more scoring and he is certainly not the answer for that.
- kingcong39

I forgot moulson


staal helps out both special teams big time

Right, which has been my point all along, we traded Myers for a different version of Myers that hits more but will score less and get injured just as much
- sbroads24

Let it go. No, Myers was a p ussy who is now playing better now that he has no pressure on him as a 2nd line Dman. He couldn't handle the top billing, he wasn't a top 1 or 2 Dman, and now he has his home. We have Evander Kane and Bogo. Lets see how Kane plays too.

While I understand the value in players like that, I don't get it overall.

Aren't those kinds of players best as your 4th line guys, especially with how important rolling all 4 lines is now in the NHL and how important it is to have scoring coming from at least your top 3 lines?

I will absolutely get called out on this, but possession, IMO, is an overrated stat.

It's a stat that could easily be called keep away and if the trend is followed as it seems to be going now, hockey is going to turn more and more into soccer, and I am not a fan of that.

Start calling all the penalties again and I believe that will both bring back speed and flow into the game while likely putting less importance on possession.
- kingcong39

The playoffs are a prime example of how possession gets over rated.

There have been a few games where a team like Tampa completely out shot NY, and still lost, or Chicago being manhandled possession wise at times, and still taking it to 7 games

Let it go. No, Myers was a p ussy who is now playing better now that he has no pressure on him as a 2nd line Dman. He couldn't handle the top billing, he wasn't a top 1 or 2 Dman, and now he has his home. We have Evander Kane and Bogo. Lets see how Kane plays too.
- GilPerreault11

I think he has

I forgot moulson


staal helps out both special teams big time
- homiedclown

1 powerplay goal


Not worth what we'd have to give up and the contract we'd have to take back.

I think he has
- homiedclown

I think the anti Bogo passion says otherwise but whatever

I think the anti Bogo passion says otherwise but whatever
- GilPerreault11

I'm agreeing that he's a 3rd or 4th guy.

The notion he's a shutdown guys where I disagree

I think he has
- homiedclown

If Ristolainen and Zadorov become studs, then you will never hear me talk about 57 again.......unless he puts up 60 and is nominated for a Norris which I doubt happens

I'm agreeing that he's a 3rd or 4th guy.

The notion he's a shutdown guys where I disagree
- sbroads24

I think he can be a pretty close to shut down guy but we'll have to see, as we have been told numerous time here when supporting a former tall Sabre defenseman it takes time for defenseman to develop and reach their potential and he still looked pretty good on a terrible team last year as a 23/24 yr old.

my russian blue cat is named after him
- homiedclown

10/10

Would put a clog on the LW side of things. Still need RWers
- Stripes77

Trade someone else, if the Rangers are shopping him (which I don't think is actually true) you make room for him.

Trade someone else, if the Rangers are shopping him (which I don't think is actually true) you make room for him.
- BigStew

So you're gonna trade Kane or Moulson? Neither is going to happen. Not after just trading for Kane and signing Moulson last season.

So you're gonna trade Kane or Moulson? Neither is going to happen. Not after just trading for Kane and signing Moulson last season.
- Stripes77

Yup, we are building a team and if I can make trades that better the team anyone and everyone not named Eichel is gone.

Nash can play either wing

I'm all for bringing him in if he's available, but it's gonna cost an arm and a leg. Depends on how many limbs

And his no trade clause may be an issue like it was the first time around

e kane, eichel, ror
ennis, j staal, reinhart
moulson, girgens, gionta
deslauriers, larsson, foligno


discuss
- homiedclown

Who are we trading to get Staal & ROR?
The Canes might be ok with forward prospects, but I think the AVs would at least want one of our good young defensemen.
We aren't as deep on defense as some think.
Obv Ristolainen & Bogosian aren't getting traded. But I also think it would be a mistake to move Zadorov unless we get another good young dman back (like Myers for Bogosian)... And I really like the value that McCabe & Pysyk will end up bringing to the table.

I don't wanna trade any of those young defensemen.
If there's a true top line player involved, then that's a different story.
But then we will need to try n move guys like Baptiste or Bailey, etc for a good young defenseman to replace what we lost.

Yup, we are building a team and if I can make trades that better the team anyone and everyone not named Eichel is gone.
- BigStew

Makes no sense to trade Kane. Moulson I would trade but it's not gonna happen. Only if Nash could play RW am I doing it and his natural position is LW

Murray is married to Kane and Moulson (he gave him a NTC). Plus it wouldn't look good at all if you're trying to trade away a guy you signed and gave a NTC to one year prior. Good luck getting FA's to come here after that.

Who are we trading to get Staal & ROR?
The Canes might be ok with forward prospects, but I think the AVs would at least want one of our good young defensemen.
We aren't as deep on defense as some think.
Obv Ristolainen & Bogosian aren't getting traded. But I also think it would be a mistake to move Zadorov unless we get another good young dman back (like Myers for Bogosian)... And I really like the value that McCabe & Pysyk will end up bringing to the table.

I don't wanna trade any of those young defensemen.
If there's a true top line player involved, then that's a different story.
But then we will need to try n move guys like Baptiste or Bailey, etc for a good young defenseman to replace what we lost.
- jdfitz77

Why anyone would want to trade for Jordan Staal is beyond me

Makes no sense to trade Kane. Moulson I would trade but it's not gonna happen. Only if Nash could play RW am I doing it and his natural position is LW

Murray is married to Kane and Moulson (he gave him a NTC). Plus it wouldn't look good at all if you're trying to trade away a guy you signed and gave a NTC to one year prior. Good luck getting FA's to come here after that.
- Stripes77

Nash has played RW at times. He only has 3 years left too, which would be perfect, but he's gonna cost too much