Thats why teams have a GM too make the decisions players won't. So it didn't work this season. Now he will make moves. JB said he wouldn't hesitate to ask players to waive. He didn't with Garrison. I have faith he will. - thundachunk
Yup. We'll see how it works out though. I think Benning has a good eye for talent, but hopefully he's learned from trusting the player's too much(Miller) and his coach(Vey). It's too bad that Garrison nixed the Blues deal with Berglund, I'd rather have him than Vey right now.
That's easier to do during he regular season, I liked what I saw versus the Cali teams for sure. But this team got out-worked by the Flames and intimidated physically by one of the smallest/youngest teams in the playoffs. I'm bashing the role players more so than the Sedins. The Sedins should be playing their skill game, but the role players need to be providing energy and doing the dirty work, outside of Burrows I don't see that enough. - Nucker101
I think the Sedins went step above what they did in past playoffs you're right about the role players. I think had Kassian been healthy we would have seen a bit different outcome. But hindsight is 20/20.
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Jun 3 @ 2:00 PM ET
Yup. We'll see how it works out though. I think Benning has a good eye for talent, but hopefully he's learned from trusting the player's too much(Miller) and his coach(Vey). It's too bad that Garrison nixed the Blues deal with Berglund, I'd rather have him than Vey right now. - Nucker101
I thought the Blues had a pretty good defence, and they still want to improve it.
Yup. We'll see how it works out though. I think Benning has a good eye for talent, but hopefully he's learned from trusting the player's too much(Miller) and his coach(Vey). It's too bad that Garrison nixed the Blues deal with Berglund, I'd rather have him than Vey right now. - Nucker101
You know my opinion already on Miller. I like that signing.
Vey well his leash was too long but the kid needs some more time to develop just not a center.
You know my opinion already on Miller. I like that signing.
Vey well his leash was too long but the kid needs some more time to develop just not a center. - thundachunk
Yeah, I feel like the Miller signing(even more so than Sbisa) is probably the one dividing this fanbase, it has some people sceptical about Benning and others on board with him so far.
I just look at that ugly .908SV% in his last 64 starts and can't get on board with it
The problem with the Sedins as leaders is the rest of the team wants to play like them.
The Sedins deserve top line minutes, they are the most skilled and put up the points, but it seemed like such a contrast to compare the treatment of Kenins to the rest of the team.
Kenins gets sat for not hitting. Vey doesn't hit. Higgins doesn't, Matthias didn't. Edler seldom does. Hansen doesn't hit much anymore. It is like these guys are too good to hit, but when they aren't scoring, they are just skating around.
Where is the team identity? Play like the Sedins? There are only 2 of them on the team. - hillbillydeluxe
I couldn't agree with this more. The Sedins and their game are unique. It works for them, it doesn't work for anyone else. Just like Torts was a moron for trying to make the Sedins play like any other grinder, WD can't allow a grinder to play like the Sedins.
As an aside, I loved watching the Sedins kill penalties this season. They did it by controlling the puck in the offensive zone, not blocking shot and clearing it off the boards. If you'll excuse me, I'm off to stick another couple of pins in my Tortorella voodoo doll.
Yeah, I feel like the Miller signing(even more so than Sbisa) is probably the one dividing this fanbase, it has some people sceptical about Benning and others on board with him so far.
I just look at that ugly .908SV% in his last 64 starts and can't get on board with it - Nucker101
Mostly just the length of it.... Should have been 2 years max.
Yeah, I feel like the Miller signing(even more so than Sbisa) is probably the one dividing this fanbase, it has some people sceptical about Benning and others on board with him so far.
I just look at that ugly .908SV% in his last 64 starts and can't get on board with it - Nucker101
For sure it is but there are options have with Miller that we didn't have before his signing. Yes the amount of his contract is high but I don't believe its crippling. His numbers also would have been a lot better if we had consistent D other than a few.
Yeah, I feel like the Miller signing(even more so than Sbisa) is probably the one dividing this fanbase, it has some people sceptical about Benning and others on board with him so far.
I just look at that ugly .908SV% in his last 64 starts and can't get on board with it - Nucker101
The Miller signing at least can be justified, while I don't agree with Benning's decision to go after Miller and reward him with that contract, I can understand why he thought it needed to be done.
He felt like the Canucks needed a vet presence in net to be able to return to the playoffs and felt that was the price he needed to pay to acquire it.
Some of his other moves, I have yet to understand the line of thinking regardless of whether I like the moves or not.
This offseason will really show what his plan truly is. If he is actually intent on getting younger while staying competitive there will be significant change.
If he only wants to continue squeaking into the playoffs we will see tinkering and a vet heavy lineup like the past season.
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Jun 3 @ 2:26 PM ET
I couldn't agree with this more. The Sedins and their game are unique. It works for them, it doesn't work for anyone else. Just like Torts was a moron for trying to make the Sedins play like any other grinder, WD can't allow a grinder to play like the Sedins.
As an aside, I loved watching the Sedins kill penalties this season. They did it by controlling the puck in the offensive zone, not blocking shot and clearing it off the boards. - CubanBuffet
I often have to bite my tongue when watching the Sedins. Want to say, hit someone for fecksake! when they don't have the puck and they end up stripping the opposing player by positioning and heady play. This is often along the boards, ignoring the jostling and body contact. They aren't afraid to get hit and usually just absorb the hits and move on.
I was railing on here a lot against Higgins. Towards the end of the first round series, he started hitting. I went from, hit someone , to nice hit. Too little, too late though.
So much of it comes down to identity. Who do these players think they are and what are they bringing to the game?
Maybe WD gives these guys too much respect, holds them in too high a regard.
Wondering what WD will do differently next season?
Fresh interview with Jim Benning today, where we can read between the lines about which Utica Comets might challenge for a spot with the Canucks next season. He seems pretty excited about giving young players a chance...
I often have to bite my tongue when watching the Sedins. Want to say, hit someone for fecksake! when they don't have the puck and they end up stripping the opposing player by positioning and heady play. This is often along the boards, ignoring the jostling and body contact. They aren't afraid to get hit and usually just absorb the hits and move on.
I was railing on here a lot against Higgins. Towards the end of the first round series, he started hitting. I went from, hit someone , to nice hit. Too little, too late though.
So much of it comes down to identity. Who do these players think they are and what are they bringing to the game?
Maybe WD gives these guys too much respect, holds them in too high a regard.
Wondering what WD will do differently next season? - hillbillydeluxe
Honestly, I don't think that it's a problem with the Sedins or a leadership issue. It's the coaches job to make sure each player is playing a style that best suits their own individual skill set.
For sure it is but there are options have with Miller that we didn't have before his signing. Yes the amount of his contract is high but I don't believe its crippling. His numbers also would have been a lot better if we had consistent D other than a few. - thundachunk
If that was a significant case why would Lack of played better in front of the same players and against on average harder opponents?
Miller might still return to his elite status but his health, age and the history of other goalies in his situation is against him. I think there are significant doubts he even returns to average goal-tending again in his career.
If that was a significant case why would Lack of played better in front of the same players and against on average harder opponents?
Miller might still return to his elite status but his health, age and the history of other goalies in his situation is against him. I think there are significant doubts he even returns to average goal-tending again in his career. - belcherbd
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Yeah, I feel like the Miller signing(even more so than Sbisa) is probably the one dividing this fanbase, it has some people sceptical about Benning and others on board with him so far.
I just look at that ugly .908SV% in his last 64 starts and can't get on board with it - Nucker101
You always bring that up, but is that his fault, or the fault of the defenses he'd played behind (Vancouver, Buffalo). He's not Lundquist or Carey and never will be and look how far they got. Carey was shaky in his second round loss to Tampa and Lundquist gave up 2 soft goals in Game 7 of the ECF.
You always bring that up, but is that his fault, or the fault of the defenses he'd played behind (Vancouver, Buffalo). He's not Lundquist or Carey and never will be and look how far they got. Carey was shaky in his second round loss to Tampa and Lundquist gave up 2 soft goals in Game 7 of the ECF. - DariusKnight
That .908sv% only dates back to his stint with a good Blues team and the Canucks who made the playoffs this year, neither teams were poor. And Allen/Elliot had better save percentages than him last year and Lack had a better on than him this year. I'm far from a big Luongo fan, but it's funny that he was run out of town yet people defend miller who's been way worse and has a bigger cap hit.
