The funny thing is, Toews isn't even a better defensive forward than Crosby. Outside of a healthy Datsyuk, there probably isn't a better defensive forward than Crosby.
- ImNoTroll

Yup, at best I'll accept that Toews is slightly better defenisvely. But Crosby is flat out better offensively so either way he loses this argument.

The object of the game is to score more goals than the other guys. Crosby is flat out one of the most valuable players to ever play in the NHL.
- Nucker101

I dont even like Crosby, but it's really not debatable that he isn't the best player in the game right now.

Your saying that with toews instead of Crosby that the pens would be in the cup final what needs explaining
- kessellover69

OK ? i said Crosby would vs the Hawks in the cup if his team was healthy

Yup, at best I'll accept that Toews is slightly better defenisvely. But Crosby is flat out better offensively so either way he loses this argument.
- Nucker101

I would argue that just because Toews plays more time in his own zones, that doesn't make him a better defensive forward. But that's just me.

I dont even like Crosby, but it's really not debatable that he isn't the best player in the game right now.
- ImNoTroll

Well justin Williams is the best by far. He has three cups and is more clutch than tires and Crosby

Crosby is the best player in the game, but Toews is absolutely top 3 right now. Neither side of the argument is dumb.

OK ? i said Crosby would vs the Hawks in the cup if his team was healthy
- gerbe75pts

And if the pens were healthy with Crosby how far would they go?

And if the pens were healthy with Crosby how far would they go?
- kessellover69

i said the cup like 100 times

Crosby is the best player in the game, but Toews is absolutely top 3 right now.Neither side of the argument is dumb.
- sbroads24

I would agree with the bold, but the argument is dumb, because of the drop after Crosby. He is just that much better than the others. And like I said, I cant stand him, but he is better.

So if toews and Crosby switched teams do you not think Crosby would be in the same situation toews is in? Would toews have taken the pens to three Stanley cups?
- kessellover69

Nope. Crosby would have done just well will Chicago tho.

Well justin Williams is the best by far. He has three cups and is more clutch than tires and Crosby
- kessellover69

Technically he is better than Toews too, Poor Jonathan is stuck on 2.

The funny thing is, Toews isn't even a better defensive forward than Crosby. Outside of a healthy Datsyuk, there probably isn't a better defensive forward than Crosby.
- ImNoTroll

disagree



and named a finalist this year ?

how many times has he been named a finalist? like 5 ?

I think the comparison would be Toews and Crosby.
Toew (Eichel) is a better overall player, leader, and on the verge of winning his 3rd Cup, and Crosby (McDavid) is a great individual player, but............
- Sabresfan88

ya I guess. I mean one is 6'2 and coming out of NCAA so a perfect comparable for Toews. Not renowned for being an incredible two way player or leader but Toews for sure. McDavid is good so he must be crosby.

teams don't have anything to do with it, comparables are bang on. Sound logic. I give you, sabres fans

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and named a finalist this year ?

how many times has he been named a finalist? like 5 ?
- gerbe75pts

Sorry Crosby is usually up for the Hart and Art, so they dont want him up for the Selke too. Not good marketing for the NHL to have one player win all the hardware.

Sorry Crosby is usually up for the Hart and Art, so they dont want him up for the Selke too. Not good marketing for the NHL to have one player win all the hardware.
- ImNoTroll

Selke > Art + Hart

How is Toews v Crosby in discussion?

McDavid isn't Crosby
Eichel most certainly isn't Toews

no logic involved, especially disregarding the teams they're on. Joke!

Selke > Art + Hart
- Nucker101

I forgot about that point too.

Sorry Crosby is usually up for the Hart and Art, so they dont want him up for the Selke too. Not good marketing for the NHL to have one player win all the hardware.
- ImNoTroll

or Bergeron, Kopitar, Toews , Datsyuk are just better defensively

or Bergeron, Kopitar, Toews , Datsyuk are just better defensively
- gerbe75pts

Isn't the Hart and Lindsay award more impressive?

or Bergeron, Kopitar, Toews , Datsyuk are just better defensively
- gerbe75pts

Nope, the NHL doesnt want Crosby to go in and win the Art, Hart, Selke, Masterton and Lindsay. It wouldnt look good for the NHL if that happened.

Isn't the Hart and Lindsay award more impressive?
- Nucker101

the Question is who would you trust more to play defense when the game is on the line ..

who would you pick

Nope, the NHL doesnt want Crosby to go in and win the Art, Hart, Selke, Masterton and Lindsay. It wouldnt look good for the NHL if that happened.
- ImNoTroll

that's just a load of poop IMO .. how about the times he did not win ?

the Question is who would you trust more to play defense when the game is on the line ..

who would you pick
- gerbe75pts

Heading into a playoff run or a 7 game series, I'd pick the best overall player with all things considered.



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Heading into a playoff run or a 7 game series, I'd pick the best overall player with all things considered.



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- Nucker101

i would take Datsyuk but that's just me

Nope, the NHL doesnt want Crosby to go in and win the Art, Hart, Selke, Masterton and Lindsay. It wouldnt look good for the NHL if that happened.
- ImNoTroll

i think crosby has not won a award in the past 5 years i could be wrong ..