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Jun 8 @ 10:50 AM ET
@frank_seravalli: #Flyers interviewed Kris Knoblauch for Phantoms head coach last week. He also interviewed w/ TOR for Marlies job: http://t.co/D74qfKy0Dz - PhillySportsGuy
This is SO LEIGHT! Almost a whole page late........
Sorry, I jumped the gun here, you may have been confused and missed it because of the total clusterfrank BiggE caused on page 2.
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Jun 8 @ 10:51 AM ET
Reading that quote makes me think Pryor feels similarly about Crouse that many on here do. He's going to be a long time NHLer but his offensive production will have a lot to do with who he plays with. I'd prefer more of a difference maker with risk than a sure thing with less upside.
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Jun 8 @ 11:00 AM ET
Reading that quote makes me think Pryor feels similarly about Crouse that many on here do. He's going to be a long time NHLer but his offensive production will have a lot to do with who he plays with. I'd prefer more of a difference maker with risk than a sure thing with less upside. - PhillySportsGuy
We just don't know tho, right? He could go on next year and put up Mantha numbers... or he could be exactly how you described... it's too early to say, since he's only 17 and on a team that struggled to score.
He definitely seems to have an edge in terms of versatility and IQ over dudes like Nick Ritchie and Tom Wilson.
Ofc, he's not my 1st, 2nd or 5th-choice at #7, but if they picked him, I would definitely still be excited about his upside and future.
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Jun 8 @ 11:05 AM ET
we have b. schenn, couts and laughton, been going through the growing pains with them. they'll probably start breaking out in a year or two. i think taking another forward with promising defensive prospects left on the board is a mistake. draft the best available defensemen until the guys you are "developing" actually start impacting the team. then you can always trade for forwards or sign them in FA.
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We just don't know tho, right? He could go on next year and put up Mantha numbers... or he could be exactly how you described... it's too early to say, since he's only 17 and on a team that struggled to score.
He definitely seems to have an edge in terms of versatility and IQ over dudes like Nick Ritchie and Tom Wilson.
Ofc, he's not my 1st, 2nd or 5th-choice at #7, but if they picked him, I would definitely still be excited about his upside and future. - Tomahawk
I know what you're saying. I didn't watch much of him and he is younger than most, but I just feel talented players find ways to score more
I think I'd like to see a list from you and ob10 of who you would compare each player to within your top 10. - SuperSchennBros
Some of them defy straight comparisons. You hear Crosby for McDavid, and some say Eric Staal for Zacha, I've heard Marner is similar to Giroux or maybe Patrick Kane.
To attempt it, and give kind of a "best case scenario" for each:
McDavid-Crosby(it's not exact, but he's got the same kind of vision and playmaking ability)
Eichel- The one I keep coming back to is Joe Thornton, but there's a bit of the flash of Kane to his game.
Strome- A pass first Jeff Carter or a more willing to shoot version of Henrik Sedin. Size wise he's more like Carter, style wise more like Sedin.
Marner-Kane or Giroux is pretty apt.
Hanifin & Provorov- I think that the best comparison to both is a guy like Gary Suter
Crouse- He's one of the more difficult ones. He's got elements of guys like Lucic and Simmonds, but he's a better skater and two way player than them.
Barzal- Elements of RNH and even Datsyuk in his game, but the more I think about it, Barzal is like Matt Duchene.
Rantanen-I've seen a few people use Corey Perry, I think he's a bit more Bobby Ryan.
Werenski-Bouwmeester or Pietrangelo are the best comparitives, IMO. He's big, got good skating ability, good skill set and very solid all around. Not overly physical with his size, but is also usually one of the youngest guys on the ice, even in college.
Meier-Reminds me of Joe Pavelski a bit, also see a bit of Kessel in the sheer ability to score goals
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Jun 8 @ 11:07 AM ET
we have b. schenn, couts and laughton, been going through the growing pains with them. they'll probably start breaking out in a year or two. i think taking another forward with promising defensive prospects left on the board is a mistake. draft the best available defensemen until the guys you are "developing" actually start impacting the team. then you can always trade for forwards or sign them in FA. - JoeRussomanno
If Provorov or Hanifin are there, I would agree. If not, I take the best available forward and go best available player (forward or defense) again with Tampa's pick regardless of position.
We just don't know tho, right? He could go on next year and put up Mantha numbers... or he could be exactly how you described... it's too early to say, since he's only 17 and on a team that struggled to score.
He definitely seems to have an edge in terms of versatility and IQ over dudes like Nick Ritchie and Tom Wilson.
Ofc, he's not my 1st, 2nd or 5th-choice at #7, but if they picked him, I would definitely still be excited about his upside and future. - Tomahawk
This to me is key. He is one of the youngest kids in his draft class and big guys often take a little longer to put it all together. I think that if he slips out of the top 10, a lot of teams are going to regret passing him up. Hell, I could certainly be wrong, but I just like this kid. You can't teach size, nor can you teach innate hockey sense and this kid has both, along with good wheels and skills.
Some of them defy straight comparisons. You hear Crosby for McDavid, and some say Eric Staal for Zacha, I've heard Marner is similar to Giroux or maybe Patrick Kane.
To attempt it, and give kind of a "best case scenario" for each:
McDavid-Crosby(it's not exact, but he's got the same kind of vision and playmaking ability)
Eichel- The one I keep coming back to is Joe Thornton, but there's a bit of the flash of Kane to his game.
Strome- A pass first Jeff Carter or a more willing to shoot version of Henrik Sedin. Size wise he's more like Carter, style wise more like Sedin.
Marner-Kane or Giroux is pretty apt.
Hanifin & Provorov- I think that the best comparison to both is a guy like Gary Suter
Crouse- He's one of the more difficult ones. He's got elements of guys like Lucic and Simmonds, but he's a better skater and two way player than them.
Barzal- Elements of RNH and even Datsyuk in his game, but the more I think about it, Barzal is like Matt Duchene.
Rantanen-I've seen a few people use Corey Perry, I think he's a bit more Bobby Ryan.
Werenski-Bouwmeester or Pietrangelo are the best comparitives, IMO. He's big, got good skating ability, good skill set and very solid all around. Not overly physical with his size, but is also usually one of the youngest guys on the ice, even in college.
Meier-Reminds me of Joe Pavelski a bit, also see a bit of Kessel in the sheer ability to score goals - Jsaquella
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Jun 8 @ 11:10 AM ET
If it is Provorov or Hanifin are there, I would agree. If not, I take the best available forward and go best available player (forward or defense) again with Tampa's pick regardless of position. - MBFlyerfan
if the defensemen aren't available id simply trade down. try to find some diamonds in the rough.
This to me is key. He is one of the youngest kids in his draft class and big guys often take a little longer to put it all together. I think that if he slips out of the top 10, a lot of teams are going to regret passing him up. Hell, I could certainly be wrong, but I just like this kid. You can't teach size, nor can you teach innate hockey sense and this kid has both, along with good wheels and skills. - BiggE
That is something I like. For a big kid it's not like he lumbers on the ice. He skates well for his size.
There are going to be options at 7. If they think Crouse is the best available then I am ok with it.
This to me is key. He is one of the youngest kids in his draft class and big guys often take a little longer to put it all together. I think that if he slips out of the top 10, a lot of teams are going to regret passing him up. Hell, I could certainly be wrong, but I just like this kid. You can't teach size, nor can you teach innate hockey sense and this kid has both, along with good wheels and skills. - BiggE
The production thing is a factor. But if he had Bennett all year long, it wouldn't be mentioned, because he'd have been producing like a bastard. Crouse was basically forced to do it all until Bennett's return and the Frontenacs played a very conservative, D-first system because of the team they had.
Like Tomahawk said, he's not my first choice, but he's not a bad one. I think you could plug him in immediately and get 10-15G as a rookie
