Schroeder-itis
- Nucker101

So who do you go with out these guys if you could only select a D-man

All could essentially be around at 23.

Thomas Chabot
Jakub Zboril
Oliver Kylington ( )
Gabriel Carlsson
Jeremy Roy
Brandon Carlo
Noah Juulsen
Jacob Larsson

Too risky for a team who doesn't have a deep prospect pool in my eyes. I'd maybe take him if he fell into the 2nd round.
- Nucker101

I think the risk is worth it, I think it's really understated how hard it is to play in a men's league as a 16 year old. His scoring in these men's leagues are not quite at Karlsson levels but still very impressive. There are not many D that I would be on board with taking if they end up at 23 but he would be one of them.

I doubt he falls that far though.

2015 TDL
Holzer- Brewer and 5th
Wisniswski+ 3rd - Rene Bourque, William Karlson + 2nd
Falk + 5th- Leopold
Ian Cole- Bortuzzo + 7th
Zidlicky- 3rd
Michalek- Letunov+ 3rd
Petry- 2nd + 5th
Coburn- Gudas+ 1st+ 3rd
Yandle + Summers+ 4th- Moore, Duclair+ 1st+2nd

2015 UFA class for D
Green - 29
Martin- 34
Vis- 38
Mesz- 29
Erhoff- 32
Gonchar- 41
Schultz- 24
Souray- 38
Beauch- 35
Oduya- 33
Hejda- 36
Salvador 39
Jackman- 34

Based on this I would prefer to not trade KB till the TDL this year. I think his value would be similar to Wisnieski. Wis had a NTC and gave only 1 team he would accept a trade to and they still managed to get better. Based on the UFA available there is maybe 3 players that will bring what KB can and it will come at a cost of much higher then KB. I would do thje same with Hammer next year at TDL.

So who do you go with out these guys if you could only select a D-man

All could essentially be around at 23.

Thomas Chabot
Jakub Zboril
Oliver Kylington ( )
Gabriel Carlsson
Jeremy Roy
Brandon Carlo
Noah Juulsen
Jacob Larsson
- classic321

I like Roy the best, but he seems like a good bet to be gone in the mid-teens but if he falls I'll be screaming at my TV for Benning to grab him. I wouldn't be too upset if they took Juulsen, Zboril, Meloche or Chabot. I'd like to avoid Carlo and Kylington unless they fall into the 2nd and the Canucks are picking in that round.

I don't watch these guys play, but I try to follow the regional prospect/draft junkies on twitter and have some good blogs bookmarked to get a good sense of which prospects are legit. I prefer the regional blogs/rankings over the guys who try to rank an entire draft class.

2015 TDL
Holzer- Brewer and 5th
Wisniswski+ 3rd - Rene Bourque, William Karlson + 2nd
Falk + 5th- Leopold
Ian Cole- Bortuzzo + 7th
Zidlicky- 3rd
Michalek- Letunov+ 3rd
Petry- 2nd + 5th
Coburn- Gudas+ 1st+ 3rd
Yandle + Summers+ 4th- Moore, Duclair+ 1st+2nd

2015 UFA class for D
Green - 29
Martin- 34
Vis- 38
Mesz- 29
Erhoff- 32
Gonchar- 41
Schultz- 24
Souray- 38
Beauch- 35
Oduya- 33
Hejda- 36
Salvador 39
Jackman- 34

Based on this I would prefer to not trade KB till the TDL this year. I think his value would be similar to Wisnieski. Wis had a NTC and gave only 1 team he would accept a trade to and they still managed to get better. Based on the UFA available there is maybe 3 players that will bring what KB can and it will come at a cost of much higher then KB. I would do thje same with Hammer next year at TDL.
- Linden_4_Capt

Risky.....
Bieksa's play is deteriorating by the minute.

Hammer YES should be traded at the deadline. Guaranteed 1st, right there.

I think the risk is worth it, I think it's really understated how hard it is to play in a men's league as a 16 year old. His scoring in these men's leagues are not quite at Karlsson levels but still very impressive. There are not many D that I would be on board with taking if they end up at 23 but he would be one of them.

I doubt he falls that far though.
- belcherbd

I've just been reading from people who have seen him play more than occasionally that he has the skating and skills, but doesn't think the game well, offensively or defensively.

2015 TDL
Holzer- Brewer and 5th
Wisniswski+ 3rd - Rene Bourque, William Karlson + 2nd
Falk + 5th- Leopold
Ian Cole- Bortuzzo + 7th
Zidlicky- 3rd
Michalek- Letunov+ 3rd
Petry- 2nd + 5th
Coburn- Gudas+ 1st+ 3rd
Yandle + Summers+ 4th- Moore, Duclair+ 1st+2nd

2015 UFA class for D
Green - 29
Martin- 34
Vis- 38
Mesz- 29
Erhoff- 32
Gonchar- 41
Schultz- 24
Souray- 38
Beauch- 35
Oduya- 33
Hejda- 36
Salvador 39
Jackman- 34

Based on this I would prefer to not trade KB till the TDL this year. I think his value would be similar to Wisnieski. Wis had a NTC and gave only 1 team he would accept a trade to and they still managed to get better. Based on the UFA available there is maybe 3 players that will bring what KB can and it will come at a cost of much higher then KB. I would do thje same with Hammer next year at TDL.
- Linden_4_Capt

Wisniewski was producing, unlike Bieksa and was signed so it wasn't a rental deal. I'd look more at the Michalek and Petry deals as a ballpark for his value.

Risky.....
Bieksa's play is deteriorating by the minute.

Hammer YES should be traded at the deadline. Guaranteed 1st, right there.
- classic321

Play him with Hammer for the year. Problem solved.

Wisniewski was producing, unlike Bieksa and was signed so it wasn't a rental deal. I'd look more at the Michalek and Petry deals as a ballpark for his value.
- Nucker101

The value rises doe to weak UFA class. Add that to a low cap hit it think we can get an upgrade on a 3rd with a B prospect.
Timmonen fetched way more as an older player and is way more injury prone.

I think the risk is worth it, I think it's really understated how hard it is to play in a men's league as a 16 year old. His scoring in these men's leagues are not quite at Karlsson levels but still very impressive. There are not many D that I would be on board with taking if they end up at 23 but he would be one of them.

I doubt he falls that far though.
- belcherbd

I like Bitner. I hope we get an early 2nd rounder and grab him. A line of Bitner Cassels and Kassian would be the most dangerous 4th line in NHL.
We have too many holes to fill to just focus on 1 position. years of trading away picks and getting guys like Jensen, Shroeder, Coho has left some really deep holes. Even at Goalie position I consider us to be weak however I think we can skip all goalies this draft unless someone falls in our lap. I would also say we are OK for now in 2 way centers. All other areas are more pressing and needs to be addressed more immediately.

I'm going to go with non of the above. I'm with you though, try to acquire a couple of 2nd's and draft at least 1 dman with them.

But I wouldn't be pissed if we go d-man heavy in this draft. If Jeremy Roy somehow fell into our lap that would be amazing, but I doubt it.

But more realistically, I like these guys in the late 1st and early 2nd round range:
Nicolas Meloche
Jakub Zboril
Noah Juulsen
- Nucker101

I am hoping for Meloche

I'm going to go with non of the above. I'm with you though, try to acquire a couple of 2nd's and draft at least 1 dman with them.

But I wouldn't be pissed if we go d-man heavy in this draft. If Jeremy Roy somehow fell into our lap that would be amazing, but I doubt it.

But more realistically, I like these guys in the late 1st and early 2nd round range:
Nicolas Meloche
Jakub Zboril
Noah Juulsen
- Nucker101

Don't forget Chabot. Either her or Zboroil will likely be available by 23

Don't forget Chabot. Either her or Zboroil will likely be available by 23
- Retinalz

I don't mind Chabot either.

I am hoping for Meloche
- vancouverdawg

One of my favourite defensemen in this draft. Big, mean with decent skill and hockey sense to go with it.

One of my favourite defensemen in this draft.
- Nucker101

He does a little of everything. Would you say he is like Luc Bourdon?

He does a little of everything. Would you say he is like Luc Bourdon?
- vancouverdawg

He has more skill than Bourdon did IMO, but Bourdon was considered better defensively at that same age judging from the scouting reports I've read on Luc from back in the day. Both played with some edge to their game.

One of my favourite defensemen in this draft. Big, mean with decent skill and hockey sense to go with it.
- Nucker101

I would like to see tardes for 2 2nds reasonably high and draft Chabot/Zboroil/Juulsen/Meloche

He has more skill than Bourdon did IMO, but Bourdon was considered better defensively at that same age judging from the scouting reports I've read on Luc from back in the day. Both played with some edge to their game.
- Nucker101

Is his defensive skills on par or better than Sbisa. If they are on par then I recommend you stay clear of bridges and tall buildings

I would like to see tardes for 2 2nds reasonably high and draft Chabot/Zboroil/Juulsen/Meloche
- Retinalz

I'd rather just move out vets and get a 2nd or two while keeping our 1st. If the Canucks came out of the draft with Harkins and 2 of the above mentioned defensemen, I'd be ecstatic.


My real dream scenario is acquiring a higher first and getting one of Provorov/Werenski/Roy while keeping our own first as well but that seems near impossible unless a team really wants Hamhuis and he waives.

I'd rather just move out vets and get a 2nd or two while keeping our 1st. If the Canucks came out of the draft with Harkins and 2 of the above mentioned defensemen, I'd be ecstatic.


My real dream scenario is acquiring a higher first and getting one of Provorov/Werenski/Roy
- Nucker101

We will probably trade Lack for the 31 St. I don't see Canucks hanging on to Vrbata. He will probably fetch a decent prospect or pick.
I also think you will see at least one core player moved

I'd rather just move out vets and get a 2nd or two while keeping our 1st. If the Canucks came out of the draft with Harkins and 2 of the above mentioned defensemen, I'd be ecstatic.


My real dream scenario is acquiring a higher first and getting one of Provorov/Werenski/Roy while keeping our own first as well but that seems near impossible unless a team really wants Hamhuis and he waives.
- Nucker101

+1
I would also say take Chabot?zboril at #23. Future #1/2 dmen. Harkins may still be avail early 2nd round if we trade Lack for 31

We will probably trade Lack for the 31 St. I don't see Canucks hanging on to Vrbata. He will probably fetch a decent prospect or pick.
I also think you will see at least one core player moved
- vancouverdawg

Since we're stuck with Miller, I do expect to see one of the Swedish Towers to be moved. My guess is also Lack since Benning will likely want to acquire another 2nd rounder. I'm not against moving any of the vets, but looking at the NTC's. Vrbata, Bonino, Hansen and Higgins will be the easiest to move. None of them have full NTC's.

The defenseman will be much harder to move, and with Benning's recent comments about saying you need 8 or 9 defensemen in your organization that can actually play in the nHL, I think he's already trying to prepare the fans for the possibility Bieksa and Hamhuis still remaining with the team after the draft is completed.

Smart money is on a veteran forward and Lack being moved for picks/prospects.

+1
I would also say take Chabot?zboril at #23. Future #1/2 dmen. Harkins may still be avail early 2nd round if we trade Lack for 31
- Retinalz

Realistically, Chabot/Zbroril/Meloche/Juulsen project to be more of #2-4 NHL defensemen if they reach their full potential.


I think Harkins is a lock to go in the first round.

Realistically, Chabot/Zbroril/Meloche/Juulsen project to be more of #2-4 NHL defensemen if they reach their full potential.


I think Harkins is a lock to go in the first round.
- Nucker101

Can always get 2 2nd's and trade up. #31 and #40ish would likely net you a 20-28 pick if you needed to get him. Also those projections aren't very accurate. Lidstrom wasn't expeceted to be one of the greatest dmen ever, and Keith wasn't expected to be as good as her is. If they were they would have been taken top10 in their draft years.

Since we're stuck with Miller, I do expect to see one of the Swedish Towers to be moved. My guess is also Lack since Benning will likely want to acquire another 2nd rounder. I'm not against moving any of the vets, but looking at the NTC's. Vrbata, Bonino, Hansen and Higgins will be the easiest to move. None of them have full NTC's.

The defenseman will be much harder to move, and with Benning's recent comments about saying you need 8 or 9 defensemen in your organization that can actually play in the nHL, I think he's already trying to prepare the fans for the possibility Bieksa and Hamhuis still remaining with the team after the draft is completed.

Smart money is on a veteran forward and Lack being moved for picks/prospects.
- Nucker101

TBT I expect a big move to be made from Benning. The Comets have had a very successful year and it time to reward some of them. JB has been saying since we were eliminated "We need to get bigger faster stronger younger" . There is only one way to do that and that is by moving people.

He has gone out and traded for Vey Clendenning Sven Sbisa Pedan ! And all of them are waiver eligible next year. He needs 5 of the 23 spots for them. Sanguinetti has been very good and needs a contract. He also traded for Bonino .

At some point you have to award Corrado Grenier and Gaunce by giving them a spot also. Then you have Weber. You need to move some players out to move that many in.