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vancouverdawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.06.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:27 PM ET
It took A LOT of crazy things from both parties to finally send him packing though and he's flat out better than Miller anyway.
- Nucker101

What about something like what Toronto did with Clarkson and Horton.

Boston and Philly need a back up or number 1, they both have players like Savard and Pronger on LTIR and Philly also have Vinny. Maybe this way we could keep both Swedes?
vancouverdawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.06.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:29 PM ET
Except they are not paying Sbisa 3.6 to sit and be a 7-9 dman. Switch bart and Sbisa and thats your dmen. Unless they trade edler as well, in which case sbisa is with tanev.
- Retinalz

If rumours are true then maybe Hamhuis will be gone too
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:30 PM ET
So you think Millers contract is more difficult to move than Luongo's was... ok.....

- boonerbuck


I'm not sure, but what I do know is that Luongo was and still is a flat out better goalie and was an upgrade for many teams. How many teams is Miller a legit upgrade for? And is the upgrade for that team worth the 6M cap hit?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:30 PM ET
Now that he's gone he is. When Lu was here Miller was better.
- golfingsince



I don't think I've ever thought that, I thought the Blues overpaid for Miller when he was having a pretty good season in Buffalo.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:32 PM ET
What about something like what Toronto did with Clarkson and Horton.

Boston and Philly need a back up or number 1, they both have players like Savard and Pronger on LTIR and Philly also have Vinny. Maybe this way we could keep both Swedes?

- vancouverdawg


Horton was a rare case, his contract wasn't insured and CBJ doesn't have the money that Toronto or Philly have. Without a cap both of those teams would be potentially spending over a 100 Million dollars on their rosters.

You could do what PHI did with Harntell, despite him still be a solid player they shipped him off for Umberger just to free up money earlier.

The Canucks could try to trade Miller for a bad contract with only one year left on it to a team who needs a 1A/1B goalie.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 9 @ 7:33 PM ET
If rumours are true then maybe Hamhuis will be gone too
- vancouverdawg

If Benning is smart he would keep Hammer until TDL and then trade him. A player like him gets a kings ransom at TDL from a contending team. I would say he is still better than every Dman traded last season at TDL.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 9 @ 7:34 PM ET
Horton was a rare case, his contract wasn't insured and CBJ doesn't have the money that Toronto or Philly have. Without a cap both of those teams would be potentially spending over a 100 Million dollars on their rosters.
- Nucker101

And still no Stanley Cup.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jun 9 @ 7:37 PM ET
We are not stuck with Miller. By trade deadline he will be half way through a short contract and upon rquest Miller has to provide a list of teams he waives for. Even at a small return, the Canucks come out on top since he was a free agent contract.
- boonerbuck


Agree we are not handcuffed by Miller or his contract at all. By TDL I'm willing to bet there will be 3-6 teams banging on Millers door. Even if the return is small it doesn't matter we can shed the rest of his salary and use the cash wisely.
vancouverdawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.06.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:38 PM ET
Horton was a rare case, his contract wasn't insured and CBJ doesn't have the money that Toronto or Philly have. Without a cap both of those teams would be potentially spending over a 100 Million dollars on their rosters.

You could do what PHI did with Harntell, despite him still be a solid player they shipped him off for Umberger just to free up money earlier.

The Canucks could try to trade Miller for a bad contract with only one year left on it to a team who needs a 1A/1B goalie.

- Nucker101

With Miller this year I think you would need to eat a bad contract coming back to keep the two young goalies
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 9 @ 7:39 PM ET
Brennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate · 46m46 minutes ago
Pierre LeBrun reports that the Canucks will decide over the next few days if they will try to move Lack or Markstrom.

Never a mention of moving Miller in any of these roomers.
vancouverdawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.06.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:39 PM ET
Agree we are not handcuffed by Miller or his contract at all. By TDL I'm willing to bet there will be 3-6 teams banging on Millers door. Even if the return is small it doesn't matter we can shed the rest of his salary and use the cash wisely.
- LordHumungous

But if we trade him at TDL then we need a starter too if we trade Lack
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 9 @ 7:40 PM ET
But if we trade him at TDL then we need a starter too if we trade Lack
- vancouverdawg

Not if our goal is Austin Matthews
vancouverdawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.06.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:40 PM ET
Brennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate · 46m46 minutes ago
Pierre LeBrun reports that the Canucks will decide over the next few days if they will try to move Lack or Markstrom.

- LeftCoaster

Has to be done before draft. Safest bet move Lack for 31 st
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jun 9 @ 7:41 PM ET
With Miller this year I think you would need to eat a bad contract coming back to keep the two young goalies
- vancouverdawg


Not necessarily. If you pack up the right player with Miller in a package salary retention doesn't become an issue.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:41 PM ET
Brennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate · 46m46 minutes ago
Pierre LeBrun reports that the Canucks will decide over the next few days if they will try to move Lack or Markstrom.

- LeftCoaster


The market will dictate their move. If the trade values are even in the same ballpark you have to keep Lack, otherwise it's open for debate.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:42 PM ET
With Miller this year I think you would need to eat a bad contract coming back to keep the two young goalies
- vancouverdawg


Either that or retain salary on Miller, anyone who thinks he has trade value at his full cap hit is kidding themselves.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:42 PM ET
Not if our goal is Austin Matthews
- Retinalz

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 9 @ 7:43 PM ET
Has to be done before draft. Safest bet move Lack for 31 st
- vancouverdawg

I'd be happy with that, all things considered.
vancouverdawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.06.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:43 PM ET
Either that or retain salary on Miller, anyone who thinks he has trade value at his full cap hit is kidding themselves.
- Nucker101

That is the way I would go.
vancouverdawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.06.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:44 PM ET
I'd be happy with that, all things considered.
- LeftCoaster

I will miss Lack
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jun 9 @ 7:44 PM ET
But if we trade him at TDL then we need a starter too if we trade Lack
- vancouverdawg


I hear what you are saying for sure but Benning seems to have faith in Markstrom...OR...he has another plan up his sleeve for goaltending. If we are out of contention by TDL next season we don't need Miller here and may as well just roll with whomever in goal for the rest of the year and focus on the pick.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 9 @ 7:46 PM ET
I will miss Lack
- vancouverdawg

I just think it's the smart play moving forward for a team that's in NO position to compete any time soon. Miller is very much an adequate goaltender that Markstrom can play under.

Take the high pick, such as a 31st, and draft/build towards the future.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:46 PM ET
I'd be happy with that, all things considered.
- LeftCoaster


I can live with that as well, but will be sad to see Lack go.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 9 @ 7:48 PM ET
I don't think I've ever thought that, I thought the Blues overpaid for Miller when he was having a pretty good season in Buffalo.
- Nucker101


I'm not saying you specifically.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jun 9 @ 7:49 PM ET
Horton was a rare case, his contract wasn't insured and CBJ doesn't have the money that Toronto or Philly have. Without a cap both of those teams would be potentially spending over a 100 Million dollars on their rosters.

You could do what PHI did with Harntell, despite him still be a solid player they shipped him off for Umberger just to free up money earlier.

The Canucks could try to trade Miller for a bad contract with only one year left on it to a team who needs a 1A/1B goalie.

- Nucker101



This is what I would prefer, but it won't do anything about replenishing our draft picks.
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