I hope they make a draft day trade with the avs for someone other than O'Reilly


It'd be a pretty good troll job on Murray's part.
- Sabresfan-365

MacK...

It's not like Lack is some bonafide #1 starter. There's still a chance he regresses back to what he was a year ago or like how he played in the playoffs.
- Sabresfan-365

And it's not like Foligno is the second coming of Lucic like Kassian was supposed to be. Lacks numbers are good enough to be a starter for the Sabres. If he keeps the good numbers he is your goalie for the future if not losing Marcus Foligno for a stop gap is still not the worst thing in the world because that's what Foligno is anyway, a stop gap for the 3rd line that should be on the fourth line.

Fair enough. At least you're not being dismissive. Versteeg is a guy that can score 20+ but digrees that he has trouble staying on the ice due to injuries. I think you're undervaluing Crawford, which is fair, as most of people do.

Good luck finding a guy that is going to score 20+ goals, kill penalties, play physical and also stay healthy. If you find him, you'll have to give up a lot more than Girgensons to get him.
- Bjm84

Hmmm, maybe Girgensons

poop.... I (frank)ed up the page.

edit: It's fixed

Trade Larsson, grigorenko, McCabe and 21st pick for ROR

And it's not like Foligno is the second coming of Lucic like Kassian was supposed to be. Lacks numbers are good enough to be a starter for the Sabres. If he keeps the good numbers he is your goalie for the future if not losing Marcus Foligno for a stop gap is still not the worst thing in the world because that's what Foligno is anyway, a stop gap for the 3rd line that should be on the fourth line.
- Stripes77

I'm not saying it's a terrible trade, but I think that there are plenty of other goalies out there that can be had for less/nothing so I don't see the point of it.

I don't have a problem with Foligno here. I think that for every person that says he's only here because of his name there's a person that thinks he should be better than he is because of his name. It' a double edged sword.

I'm not saying it's a terrible trade, but I think that there are plenty of other goalies out there that can be had for less/nothing so I don't see the point of it.

I don't have a problem with Foligno here. I think that for every person that says he's only here because of his name there's a person that thinks he should be better than he is because of his name. It' a double edged sword.
- HonkFortheGoose

When Murray gives up a 2nd for a goalie you'll probably change your tune. Foligno does nothing for me. He became soft on the puck and in the corners and you can say that was because of his shoulder but it happened before he got hurt. He abandoned what got him in the NHL in the first place.

As far as other goalies sure but Lack IMO can be a starter in the league and if he for some reason can't handle the work load he is a great backup to have for when we are a good team. Marcus Foligno would be a 4th liner at best by that time.

I'm not saying it's a terrible trade, but I think that there are plenty of other goalies out there that can be had for less/nothing so I don't see the point of it.

I don't have a problem with Foligno here. I think that for every person that says he's only here because of his name there's a person that thinks he should be better than he is because of his name. It' a double edged sword.
- HonkFortheGoose

I have no problems with Foligno. We have some worse players that some are in love with.

When Murray gives up a 2nd for a goalie you'll probably change your tune. Foligno does nothing for me. He became soft on the puck and in the corners and you can say that was because of his shoulder but it happened before he got hurt. He abandoned what got him in the NHL in the first place.

As far as other goalies sure but Lack IMO can be a starter in the league and if he for some reason can't handle the work load he is a great backup to have for when we are a good team. Marcus Foligno would be a 4th liner at best by that time.
- Stripes77

Probably just draft one using that pick, unless he thinks that Samsonov/Blackwood is a bust.

I have no problems with Foligno. We have some worse players that some are in love with.
- cabin

Other than one posters love for Mike Weber I'm not sure you'll find someone worse

When Murray gives up a 2nd for a goalie you'll probably change your tune. Foligno does nothing for me. He became soft on the puck and in the corners and you can say that was because of his shoulder but it happened before he got hurt. He abandoned what got him in the NHL in the first place.

As far as other goalies sure but Lack IMO can be a starter in the league and if he for some reason can't handle the work load he is a great backup to have for when we are a good team. Marcus Foligno would be a 4th liner at best by that time.
- Stripes77

Giving up a pick for a goalie doesn't really matter to me. If it was a 1st rounder, then maybe I'd care. He played much more like the guy that I was hoping he'd be this year. It took a bit into the season to see it, but he did get there.

Is Foligno going to win us a Cup? Not on his own. But he's not going to hurt us either.

Other than one posters love for Mike Weber I'm not sure you'll find someone worse
- Stripes77

Hats doing a great job on the robert moses. Nothing but praises from people I know that been by there.

Probably just draft one using that pick, unless he thinks that Samsonov/Blackwood is a bust.
- Sabresfan-365

We would be well-served by having a competent goaltender in 2 years time. I'd be shocked if any draft pick this year materializes into that.

We would be well-served by having a competent goaltender in 2 years time. I'd be shocked if any draft pick this year materializes into that.
- nfph

Makarov could turn into that. Or Ullmark. This will be Ullmark's first year in North America but he's always intrigued me.

There's actually a lot of guys in the system. It's just a matter of which ones will turn out how we'd like. I also really liked what I saw from Petersen in ND this year.

Giving up a pick for a goalie doesn't really matter to me. If it was a 1st rounder, then maybe I'd care. He played much more like the guy that I was hoping he'd be this year. It took a bit into the season to see it, but he did get there.

Is Foligno going to win us a Cup? Not on his own. But he's not going to hurt us either.
- HonkFortheGoose

So by that logic a second round pick is less valuable to you thank Marcus Foligno?

Foligno is not a player that will help you win a cup by himself or with his teammates. He doesn't drive up puck possession, is a career minus players and had turned soft in the corners.

I am much more willing to give him a chance than Hodgson but neither players will be on this team when they are competing for a Cup IMO.

Makarov could turn into that. Or Ullmark. This will be Ullmark's first year in North America but he's always intrigued me.

There's actually a lot of guys in the system. It's just a matter of which ones will turn out how we'd like. I also really liked what I saw from Petersen in ND this year.
- HonkFortheGoose

Ullmark is out for a while no? The recovery is 6 months at least on that. I don't remember when he had his surgery. After that he will need time to get back into game shape and then adjust to the NA game (sure it's not as hard on goalies).

He is a wild card to me. He can be great or flame out. Makarov is a curious case to me. Undrafted and finally starting to hit his stride. His rebound control needs work but that can be taught.

Peterson is 1 or 2 years away from turning Pro. He will need AHL time.

So by that logic a second round pick is less valuable to you thank Marcus Foligno?

Foligno is not a player that will help you win a cup by himself or with his teammates. He doesn't drive up puck possession, is a career minus players and had turned soft in the corners.

I am much more willing to give him a chance than Hodgson but neither players will be on this team when they are competing for a Cup IMO.
- Stripes77

It depends on how you look at it. Foligno is an actual NHL player already. A second rounder is going to be years away. We need some sort of veteran players on the team, so I'd rather not trade one of them who's had his own struggles and has had to figure out how to work through them. I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him ever, I just don't think trading him for a guy like Eddie Lack is really necessary either. That's all.

Ullmark is out for a while no? The recovery is 6 months at least on that. I don't remember when he had his surgery. After that he will need time to get back into game shape and then adjust to the NA game (sure it's not as hard on goalies).

He is a wild card to me. He can be great or flame out. Makarov is a curious case to me. Undrafted and finally starting to hit his stride. His rebound control needs work but that can be taught.

Peterson is 1 or 2 years away from turning Pro. He will need AHL time.
- Stripes77

Yeah, apparently Ullmark hasn't had the surgery yet, or at least as of 6/6 in this article I found.
http://thehockeywriters.c...res-top-goalie-prospects/

It's a pretty decent write up on some of the guys in the system.

Yeah, apparently Ullmark hasn't had the surgery yet, or at least as of 6/6 in this article I found.
http://thehockeywriters.c...res-top-goalie-prospects/

It's a pretty decent write up on some of the guys in the system.
- HonkFortheGoose

I remember hesring an interview with Murray and he mentioned about keeping in touch with doctors over in Europe. The problem is I don't remember the player they were talking about. I would think he would have it done right away

I remember hesring an interview with Murray and he mentioned about keeping in touch with doctors over in Europe. The problem is I don't remember the player they were talking about. I would think he would have it done right away
- Stripes77

It's hard to really know the status of the guys that are prospects in the first place as a fan. Add in the fact that he's one of the Euro ones and it clouds it up even more so who knows if it's actually been done already.

Unrelated note:

https://ca.answers.yahoo....qid=20110925113946AAd976v

Well worth the click

I remember hesring an interview with Murray and he mentioned about keeping in touch with doctors over in Europe. The problem is I don't remember the player they were talking about. I would think he would have it done right away
- Stripes77

Murray said in his most recent interview that Ulmark had the surgury done on both hips and it went well.

Murray said in his most recent interview that Ulmark had the surgury done on both hips and it went well.
- GilPerreault11

Thanks. I couldn't remember what player he was talking about. I assumed it was him though.

Thanks. I couldn't remember what player he was talking about. I assumed it was him though.
- Stripes77

He also said that when he's healed he will be playing in Rochester.

He also said that when he's healed he will be playing in Rochester.
- GilPerreault11

I figured that's where he would be this year. Just seems it'll be a little bit before we'll see him, which is fine since Makarov is there to be the starter anyway.