Correct... im fine just getting cap space and a 4th/5th round pick.

I was just saying if the hawks try to go after a 2nd round pick to get a prospect they covet... likely they will have to include something more than just bickell by himself.
- gnosox1986

Speculating on trades is difficult enough, speculating on speculation of a certain draft pick they covet and what the value may be, is impossible. I expect Bowman will try to get in the early part of the draft but how he does that and what or who he has to move would be anyones guess, however as the draft hets closer there should be rumours out there that may tell you that?

Agree Al unless he's hurt
- Colbyboy

Re: Bickell/Desjardins

Watched Game 4 again last night, take a look at the 2-1 with Kane and Desjardins, and in particular Desjardins' skating stride. Pretty sure he's hurt.

Bickell probably won't be easy to move with his injury history. Nobody is giving up a bag of pucks to take over his contract. The Hawks would have to pay half his salary and/or take on someone else's problem in return at the very least. I will be impressed if they get a better return than that.

Shaw's trade value has probably gone up this postseason.

Sharp probably goes to a place where a GM is familiar with him, such as Florida or Montreal. They know what his risks are and will be better able to price him.

Crawford will have value. Dubnyk is probably going to get paid, and that will be the comparison for goalies this summer. Crawford should compare favorably given that.

Predicting which potential UFAs stay here seems like a crapshoot until we know what happens with Saad. The only safe bet to stay here is Desjardins, I would think.
- 333inthe3rd

Something like that, my info is a lot of the discussions surrounding him typically involving the Hawks packaging something else more enticing to move him.

GM's know the position the hawks are in... The return on Bicks/Sharp wont be nearly what it "SHOULD" be...

For the hawks to get something tangible in the return, Bicks or Sharp alone wont do it... so maybe a team with the cap does give up a good prospect or higher pick if they also get Shaw.

And my point was that the Hawks wont be looking to outright deal shaw, but he could be moved if it means moving other pieces that "need" to be moved.
- gnosox1986

Doesn't the concept of there being a market for the player have anything to do with it?

If (IF) Sharp is coveted by two or more teams, there will be value coming back - just as no one is going to help the Hawks meet the cap out of the kindness of their heart, no one is going to miss out on a player they want just to screw the Hawks.

Many are either hurting or gassed...Bickell will get another shot.
- Al

I think we'll find out tomorrow night who was/is hurt and who was just tired. That extra days' rest will recharge some batteries.

I do think Desjardins has something.

Obviously Oduya does but whatever it is did not affect him in Game 4.

Not sure about Kruger but he is still taking draws and winning most of them. Putting Bickell on that line could be interesting.

Hopefully Seabrook is reasonably recovered although what he had didn't slow him down.

Doesn't the concept of there being a market for the player have anything to do with it?

If (IF) Sharp is coveted by two or more teams, there will be value coming back - just as no one is going to help the Hawks meet the cap out of the kindness of their heart, no one is going to miss out on a player they want just to screw the Hawks.
- StLBravesFan

Exactly right, Sage. But good luck getting that concept deep into the consciousness here.

Doesn't the concept of there being a market for the player have anything to do with it?

If (IF) Sharp is coveted by two or more teams, there will be value coming back - just as no one is going to help the Hawks meet the cap out of the kindness of their heart, no one is going to miss out on a player they want just to screw the Hawks.
- StLBravesFan

Yes.

Some things to consider, as you put it, no one is out there waiting to take bad contracts off the Hawks' hands.

But one man's trash is another man's treasure.

If I am a team like Columbus, Florida, a few others, looking to add some forward scoring and veteran leadership/good playoff juju to a team that's close, then biting on the rest of Sharp's deal might make sense.

The balance is how much do you give up. Because ALL of those teams are going to hesitate knowing at some point, Sharp's deal could become an albatross. So there likely will be a market (i.e., multiple teams interested) for him, but the bidding will start very low and will likely not get very high.

The asset that the Hawks have, and that they might be willing to move, that will garner the most value is Crawford. I think there you will be looking at something along the lines of a 1st round pick and a decent to quality prospect.

How do we know they want anything tangible in return? Tangible return most likely means tangible salary coming back...which defeats the purpose, at least in Sharp's case. Cap space is what matters most. Picks and minor league prospects are the most likely return.

There will be enough teams interested in Sharp that it won't matter what "position the Hawks are in".
- Ogilthorpe2

I think the Hawks acquistion plan is to
a)reclaim at least on decent draft pick
b) Spend the time actively scouting the various organizations players that haven't played on the large stage, because the haven't had their NHL salary deals kick in.
Trading an NHL player, who has won a Cup or two gets you something...no one downgrades on Sharp...hell, I scratched my head season after season on how teams kicked the tires/ of Aleš Hemský who scored 20 goals ONCE and 71 points twice back in 2005, & '08. Yet team after team paid him handsomely...
They will look for more Jimmy Hayes, and Viktor Stalberg with the same hopes that the acquistion can eventually make the club and contribute past what they achieved.

Asked & answered now by two of us, but I am with Ogi, the biggest game of the year is a day away and can't we focus on that later, maybe June 15th when Mike Reilly decides his future?

You have to wonder if the Justin Schultz, Kevin Hayes, and Mike Reilly loophole is going to become the new "Russian factor" of future draft days?

Imagine if Conor McDavid or Jack Eichel enrolled in college tomorrow and did the same...pretty big gamble and a three year wait/chance of serious injury setback, but , just saying, I have an active mind...

Yes.

Some things to consider, as you put it, no one is out there waiting to take bad contracts off the Hawks' hands.

But one man's trash is another man's treasure.

If I am a team like Columbus, Florida, a few others, looking to add some forward scoring and veteran leadership/good playoff juju to a team that's close, then biting on the rest of Sharp's deal might make sense.

The balance is how much do you give up. Because ALL of those teams are going to hesitate knowing at some point, Sharp's deal could become an albatross. So there likely will be a market (i.e., multiple teams interested) for him, but the bidding will start very low and will likely not get very high.

The asset that the Hawks have, and that they might be willing to move, that will garner the most value is Crawford. I think there you will be looking at something along the lines of a 1st round pick and a decent to quality prospect.
- John Jaeckel

JJ, what's the percentage on us moving Crawford? I'm putting it at 30% chance

I think the Hawks acquistion plan is to
a)reclaim at least on decent draft pick
b) Spend the time actively scouting the various organizations players that haven't played on the large stage, because the haven't had their NHL salary deals kick in.
Trading an NHL player, who has won a Cup or two gets you something...no one downgrades on Sharp...hell, I scratched my head season after season on how teams kicked the tires/ of Aleš Hemský who scored 20 goals ONCE and 71 points twice back in 2005, & '08. Yet team after team paid him handsomely...
They will look for more Jimmy Hayes, and Viktor Stalberg with the same hopes that the acquistion can eventually make the club and contribute past what they achieved.

Asked & answered now by two of us, but I am with Ogi, the biggest game of the year is a day away and can't we focus on that later, maybe June 15th when Mike Reilly decides his future?

You have to wonder if the Justin Schultz, Kevin Hayes, and Mike Reilly loophole is going to become the new "Russian factor" of future draft days?

Imagine if Conor McDavid or Jack Eichel enrolled in college tomorrow and did the same...pretty big gamble and a three year wait/chance of serious injury setback, but , just saying, I have an active mind...
- wiz1901

Agreed, they will try to recoup picks in the first two rounds through trades of veterans. I also think you might see the roster filled out by a veteran or two willing to play in Chicago for a shot at a Cup or a long playoff run, especially on defense.

The notion of a Barrett Jackman as a 5-6 d-man, not out of the question as hard as it might be to imagine (or stomach).

It's fun to talk about a 4-6 on defense of Johns, TVR and Rundblad. Problem there is three right handed defensemen and an absolute trainwreck of inexperience. And questionable upside in at least 2 of those 3 cases. Not gonna happen.

JJ, what's the percentage on us moving Crawford? I'm putting it at 30% chance
- BURDA13

50-50 this summer. 80-20 by July 1, 2016.

50-50 this summer. 80-20 by July 1, 2016.
- John Jaeckel

I back you on the 2016 prediction. Gives Darling more time to get his feet wet. But does that mean we have Raanta stick it out in Rockford a little while longer and go with the two young bucks moving forward? I can dig it.

Agreed, they will try to recoup picks in the first two rounds through trades of veterans. I also think you might see the roster filled out by a veteran or two willing to play in Chicago for a shot at a Cup or a long playoff run, especially on defense.

The notion of a Barrett Jackman as a 5-6 d-man, not out of the question as hard as it might be to imagine (or stomach).

It's fun to talk about a 4-6 on defense of Johns, TVR and Rundblad. Problem there is three right handed defensemen and an absolute trainwreck of inexperience. And questionable upside in at least 2 of those 3 cases. Not gonna happen.
- John Jaeckel

One's a given and don't think Rundblad is back anyway, at least I hope not. Who's the other? TVR because of injuries?

One's a given and don't think Rundblad is back anyway, at least I hope not. Who's the other? TVR because of injuries?
- HawkintheD

I would count on Johns in there somewhere. TVR maybe as the #6 or #7, but they may need at least one veteran added in, depends on Oduya's status but he is likely gone, especially if Crawford is not dealt.

I think we're seeing right now how good TVR really is. Or isn't.

Yes.

Some things to consider, as you put it, no one is out there waiting to take bad contracts off the Hawks' hands.

But one man's trash is another man's treasure.

If I am a team like Columbus, Florida, a few others, looking to add some forward scoring and veteran leadership/good playoff juju to a team that's close, then biting on the rest of Sharp's deal might make sense.

The balance is how much do you give up. Because ALL of those teams are going to hesitate knowing at some point, Sharp's deal could become an albatross. So there likely will be a market (i.e., multiple teams interested) for him, but the bidding will start very low and will likely not get very high.

The asset that the Hawks have, and that they might be willing to move, that will garner the most value is Crawford. I think there you will be looking at something along the lines of a 1st round pick and a decent to quality prospect.
- John Jaeckel

This... while yes, there will be a market and it may be a fairly large market, the value of the market will go from "Eh" to "Meh" at best... and adding an asset like shaw would increase the return.

Now not to say i advocate trading shaw (i dont)... not to insinuate we would get adequate return by adding shaw (im not)... i was just saying that's the only way shaw gets moved... as part of a larger deal where the hawks are going after a specific return (also, not implying they have a specific return in mind).

Yes.

Some things to consider, as you put it, no one is out there waiting to take bad contracts off the Hawks' hands.

But one man's trash is another man's treasure.

If I am a team like Columbus, Florida, a few others, looking to add some forward scoring and veteran leadership/good playoff juju to a team that's close, then biting on the rest of Sharp's deal might make sense.

The balance is how much do you give up. Because ALL of those teams are going to hesitate knowing at some point, Sharp's deal could become an albatross. So there likely will be a market (i.e., multiple teams interested) for him, but the bidding will start very low and will likely not get very high.

The asset that the Hawks have, and that they might be willing to move, that will garner the most value is Crawford. I think there you will be looking at something along the lines of a 1st round pick and a decent to quality prospect.
- John Jaeckel

I'm wondering if teams will look at Sharp and see that he has been hurt a bit playing with Vermette and TT. Granted Vermette is a 2C/3C and talented but no a playmaker but TT is a playmaker but still wet behind the years. Seem to have more jump playing next to Tazer and Hoss.

I would count on Johns in there somewhere. TVR maybe as the #6 or #7, but they may need at least one veteran added in, depends on Oduya's status but he is likely gone, especially if Crawford is not dealt.

I think we're seeing right now how good TVR really is. Or isn't.
- John Jaeckel

I liked TVR before his injury but it's difficult if not unfair for the Hawks to judge him with all the pressure of the SCF when he hasn't played in a while. He struck me as being so poised and calm and he was positionally sound.

I back you on the 2016 prediction. Gives Darling more time to get his feet wet. But does that mean we have Raanta stick it out in Rockford a little while longer and go with the two young bucks moving forward? I can dig it.
- BURDA13

The goalie the Islanders reluctantly parted with in the Leddy trade, Anders Nilsson, 24, is a restricted free agent, was dumped because he wanted more NHL experience and like previous Isle-AHL delegate Nino Niederreiter, he squaked and left for Sweden (actually KHL Kazan Ak-Bars) where he felt he would play more against better competition.

He is said to want to come back...not sure if the hawks think he is a viable opinion or not.

I would count on Johns in there somewhere. TVR maybe as the #6 or #7, but they may need at least one veteran added in, depends on Oduya's status but he is likely gone, especially if Crawford is not dealt.

I think we're seeing right now how good TVR really is. Or isn't.
- John Jaeckel

It's possible, but before the injury he was looking like a guy that the Hawks could play comfortably in their 3rd pairing.

To me his upside was possibly 2nd pairing as the stay at home partner to a more O-minded D-man, especially if the Hawks parted ways with Oduya this summer.

I think he's done ok getting thrown into the SCF after not playing an NHL game since Nov and I'm guessing it's possible he wouldn't be playing if not for Rozy's injury.

I agree Stephen Johns and TvR will be give first dibs to win spots, and also agree they will find a veteran presence if the player can work a deal benefiting the Hawk Cap & his chances to compete. Could it be....Roszival? LOL

It's possible, but before the injury TvR was looking like a guy that the Hawks could play comfortably in their 3rd pairing. I think TvR done ok getting thrown into the SCF after not playing an NHL game since Nov and I'm guessing it's possible he wouldn't be playing if not for Rozy's injury.
- HawkintheD

He's still IS looking like a third pairng option, and John is right on:

I think we're seeing right now how good TVR really is. Or isn't.
- John Jaeckel
This is as transparent as it can get for defenders...right now, speed game, tough opponent.

I agree Stephen Johns and TvR will be give first dibs to win spots, and also agree they will find a veteran presence if the player can work a deal benefiting the Hawk Cap & his chances to compete. Could it be....Roszival? LOL
- wiz1901

Don't know how this is funny especially if he can be had for notably less than his $2.2M cap hit. He's a known commodity in this system albeit his age, recent injury and slowing down. I see no issue with him as the #7-8D if he'd sign for half his current cap hit. 4-1/2 months to heal from that injury? Maybe.

The goalie the Islanders reluctantly parted with in the Leddy trade, Anders Nilsson, 24, is a restricted free agent, was dumped because he wanted more NHL experience and like previous Isle-AHL delegate Nino Niederreiter, he squaked and left for Sweden (actually KHL Kazan Ak-Bars) where he felt he would play more against better competition.

He is said to want to come back...not sure if the hawks think he is a viable opinion or not.
- wiz1901

Yes he wants to be back but he´ll be back in KHL if the other option is AHL. And what I´ve saw him at World Championship games for Sweden this year..don´t think he is an NHL caliber goaltender. Amazing stats in KHL but lot of credit on that goes to his team playing D in front of him. But don´t know what Hawks think about him though..just don´t think he is an option at all or should not be.

Agreed, they will try to recoup picks in the first two rounds through trades of veterans. I also think you might see the roster filled out by a veteran or two willing to play in Chicago for a shot at a Cup or a long playoff run, especially on defense.

The notion of a Barrett Jackman as a 5-6 d-man, not out of the question as hard as it might be to imagine (or stomach).

It's fun to talk about a 4-6 on defense of Johns, TVR and Rundblad. Problem there is three right handed defensemen and an absolute trainwreck of inexperience. And questionable upside in at least 2 of those 3 cases. Not gonna happen.
- John Jaeckel

I don't see any way Jackman goes to Chicago. He would demand more money than the Hawks can afford cap wise to play there.

In your scenario where you see him in the 5/6 role, how much money would he be getting?

I don't see any way Jackman goes to Chicago. He would demand more money than the Hawks can afford cap wise to play there.

In your scenario where you see him in the 5/6 role, how much money would he be getting?
- carcus

If he were to sign in Chicago it would be for the polar opposite reason he signed in St. Louis. He made good money but had no chance at a cup in St. Louis while in Chicago he has a chance at the cup but no chance at good money.