Simply put, Risto is not better than those dman. Does he have the potential to be, absolutely, but again, MEBSabresFAN said RISTO is a TOP 15 dman. Which he isn't, nor did he resemble anything close to that last year. He has a long way to go to reach that status.

And no where did I say I would trade Risto for all those players, but merely giving a list of dman who have been, and did play better than Risto this year.

So go ahead and "hahah" and "lol" but you and MEB need to read more, post less, or at the bare minimum read the full context of a post before commenting on it.
- ImNoTroll

Simply put Risto is better than some of those players. He is better at some aspects of the games than others, some are better than him, he is still developing and most of them have been in the league for years. It's idiotic to campare them outright when he just got in the league but he is the Sabres #1 defenseman and will be for years, get used to it.

And now its or, you keep adding more BS in your post, I never once said that

And go look at the Blackshawks forum page 13 and 14, or the Leafs forum page 30 and 31, they can educate you on Ristos value.
- ImNoTroll

Here is your post GRASSHOPPER

"Ristolainen would have been in the AHL this year if he wasn't a sabre. "

You said it, see there it is, above this sentence, can you see it, look up, its right there....

Simply put Risto is better than some of those players. He is better at some aspects of the games than others, some are better than him, he is still developing and most of them have been in the league for years. It's idiotic to campare them outright when he just got in the league but he is the Sabres #1 defenseman and will be for years, get used to it.
- GilPerreault11

Hey i was asked for a list of dman who are better than him. Not for dman he doesn't have the potential to be better than. So it's not fault Ira idiotic.

Here is your post GRASSHOPPER

"Ristolainen would have been in the AHL this year if he wasn't a sabre. "

You said it, see there it is, above this sentence, can you see it, look up, its right there....
- MEBSabresFAN

You check out those pages yet??? Im guessing no...

Hey i was asked for a list of dman who are better than him. Not for dman he doesn't have the potential to be better than. So it's not fault Ira idiotic.
- ImNoTroll

I simply asked for 15 that are more valuable than him, (OUTSIDE THE CURRENT TOP 15)

Your response was found lacking........

You check out those pages yet??? Im guessing no...
- ImNoTroll

Avoiding the question are you, you're sounding more and more like a Politician running from his statement, unless you are suggesting you didn't say that?

Are you suggesting that is NOT your quote?? or will you simply avoid answering anything that doesn't support your invalid position.....

- HonkFortheGoose

I tried Goose......




I really don't know where this "combative" nature comes from, we are all Sabres fans on a hockey blog to share opinions and ideas with. Its ok to have Philosophical differences. []

No real need to tell posters to "GO POST ON EK's BLOG and GET LAUGHED AT"

Its just childish........(in my humble opinion)

I tried Goose......




I really don't know where this "combative" nature comes from, we are all Sabres fans on a hockey blog to share opinions and ideas with. Its ok to have Philosophical differences.
- MEBSabresFAN[]

No real need to tell posters to "GO POST ON EK's BLOG and GET LAUGHED AT"

Its just childish........(in my humble opinion)

You're just as combative, so stop pointing fingers.

Avoiding the question are you, you're sounding more and more like a Politician running from his statement, unless you are suggesting you didn't say that?

Are you suggesting that is NOT your quote?? or will you simply avoid answering anything that doesn't support your invalid position.....
- MEBSabresFAN

I pointed out your two quotes that had you telling us where Risto ranked.

Its not that hard to believe if Risto wasnt on the sabres he would have been in the AHL, or did he staggering 20 some points and negative 30 some rating show otherwise. Better teams had better dman.

And thats a no about checking out those forums then?

You're just as combative, so stop pointing fingers.
- HonkFortheGoose

I'm the one that asked why it should be combative??? I was trying to difuse the situation, not point a finger.

But if you say so.....

I tried Goose......




I really don't know where this "combative" nature comes from, we are all Sabres fans on a hockey blog to share opinions and ideas with. Its ok to have Philosophical differences.
- MEBSabresFAN[]

No real need to tell posters to "GO POST ON EK's BLOG and GET LAUGHED AT"

Its just childish........(in my humble opinion)

The only opinions Ive seen you state are anything but humble (or realistic)..

Risto doesnt have much more to do to be a top 15 dman (all the GMs agree as you pointed out)

Ristos value is equal to Drouin and Johnson

those are all opinions.


And yes there is a need to tell other posters they'd be laughed at, after I was told I would be.

I pointed out your two quotes that had you telling us where Risto ranked.

Its not that hard to believe if Risto wasnt on the sabres he would have been in the AHL, or did he staggering 20 some points and negative 30 some rating show otherwise. Better teams had better dman.

And thats a no about checking out those forums then?
- ImNoTroll

Ohhh.....Now "its not hard to believe he might have , maybe on a really staked team, he could have visited the AHL for awhile......LMOA

Keep moving your opinion towards the truth, its ok....I know you want to go there "grasshopper"

The only opinions Ive seen you state are anything but humble (or realistic)..

Risto doesnt have much more to do to be a top 15 dman (all the GMs agree as you pointed out)

Ristos value is equal to Drouin and Johnson

those are all opinions.


And yes there is a need to tell other posters they'd be laughed at, after I was told I would be.
- ImNoTroll

TAKE A DEEP BREATH ........ok ......now do that again.......good.......relax little grasshopper.

Ohhh.....Now "its not hard to believe he might have , maybe on a really staked team, he could have visited the AHL for awhile......LMOA

Keep moving your opinion towards the truth, its ok....I know you want to go there "grasshopper"
- MEBSabresFAN

NO it isnt that hard to believe he would be in the AHL, OBVIOUSLY its an opinion, there is no way to prove it, since he can only be with one team.

You made the idea of him being in the AHL on any other teams rosters, as a crazy notion, when its what most likely would have happened...

You check on those pages yet??

I'm the one that asked why it should be combative??? I was trying to difuse the situation, not point a finger.

But if you say so.....
- MEBSabresFAN

Even your response to her is combative.

The only opinions Ive seen you state are anything but humble (or realistic)..

Risto doesnt have much more to do to be a top 15 dman (all the GMs agree as you pointed out)

Ristos value is equal to Drouin and Johnson

those are all opinions.


And yes there is a need to tell other posters they'd be laughed at, after I was told I would be.
- ImNoTroll

At the end of the day, Would you trade RISTO for DROUIN??

P.S. I wouldn't

Even your response to her is combative.
- ImNoTroll

Me, suggesting that I wished we could have a difference of opinion and be civil to each other was being combative?

Please continue oh Wise One...

Me, suggesting that I wished we could have a difference of opinion and be civil to each other was being combative?

Please continue oh Wise One...
- MEBSabresFAN

No then you say, if you say so, with a confused face. That comes across quite condescending

No then you say, if you say so, with a confused face. That comes across quite condescending
- ImNoTroll

I shall walk in your friendly even keeled footsteps oh polite and speedy and all knowing one...

Me, suggesting that I wished we could have a difference of opinion and be civil to each other was being combative?

Please continue oh Wise One...
- MEBSabresFAN

For the love of God just stop responding to each other. Sheesh!!!

For the love of God just stop responding to each other. Sheesh!!!
- HonkFortheGoose

Im quite entertained.... ur not?

Im quite entertained.... ur not?
- Ur Not Me

No. Because they just keep repeating themselves over and over again. Obviously they don't agree, which is fine. That happens here all the time. But if a few pages go by and your point still hasn't been made, just move on.

Im quite entertained.... ur not?
- Ur Not Me

Im sorry but the ignorance of stupidity drives me nuts. Its the one thing that really gets me going.

Mmmmm Johnson and Drouin for ristolainen. Go find anyone that isn't a sabres fan that would take that trade, brah.
- ImNoTroll



I never suggested that it was a trade that would or could happen, just estimating RISTO's Value, it was meant to explain the difference in value based upon position rather than the actual players named.

My apologies, Tyler Johnson as a Centermen of his skill set would be at about 90% Of Riso's Value based on him being a Centermen. If he come up with a year as consistent as Risto's was on Defense, but do it as a Centermen I would consider them of Equal Value based upon Teams strengths and weakneses. []


The discussion really lost its way after this post, it somehow got tossed to the wind, but it sums up my discussion on "Value" on the stated positions.
To put the Record straight: I never suggested Trading RISTO (it was a value estimation only) which was then lowered as I had seen Tyler play wing a bit, but he is a stud young C!

And in regards to 365.....I agree with you , Risto has a ways to go to match up with the like of HEDMAN and KEITH for sure! I think HEDMAN could be the best D-Man in the league next year.