You should trade up to #4

If you're trading for Kessel, it's going to cost you some players. I'd imagine that Simmonds or Brayden Schenn is part of the cost
- Jsaquella

Yeah, most definitely they would want one of them, or Couturier.
The intriguing thing about Kessel is that he's still only 27, (28 when the season starts), so he could be considered a young core player moving forward.
He floats his way to a 60 point season, imagine if he was motivated to eat less cheeseburgers?
It would depend on the package, (and how bad the Leafs want to move him), as well as if they would retain $2/3 million of his salary. Not likely with 7 years left on his term.

A lot of above average players selected at 7. Voracek is the best of them. A lot of disappointments though.

2014 Hayden Fleury
2013 Darnell Nurse
2012 Mathew Dumba
2011 Mark Scheifele
2010 Jeff Skinner
2009 Nazem Kadri
2008 Colin Wilson
2007 Jakub Voracek
2006 Kyle Okposo
2005 Jack Skille
2004 Rostislav Olesz
2003 Ryan Suter
2002 Joffrey Lupul
2001 Mike Komisarek
2000 Lars Jonsson
- redcoat75

last generation draft was Suter. I'll take that this year

I want no part of Kessel. The guy is just lazy. Yes he can shoot but he really only plays inside the opposing teams blue line.
- 3flyerkids

Ovechkin was considered just as lazy, & a cherry picker, but the right coach, and culture can do wonders.

Freaking Chicago gets 2 series game winners from a guy they healthy scratched, & will be dumping in the summer.
I would offer sheet Saad a boat load of cash just to fuc up their cap structure.

http://www.tsn.ca/video/g...-gives-back-gala-1.306983

Giroux on Cup Final "I hope they both lose"

how did you get that to work in the us ?

last generation draft was Suter. I'll take that this year
- Winning

Provorov seems similar to Suter. He's still who I want at 7.

Yeah, most definitely they would want one of them, or Couturier.
The intriguing thing about Kessel is that he's still only 27, (28 when the season starts), so he could be considered a young core player moving forward.
He floats his way to a 60 point season, imagine if he was motivated to eat less cheeseburgers?
It would depend on the package, (and how bad the Leafs want to move him), as well as if they would retain $2/3 million of his salary. Not likely with 7 years left on his term.
- puckhead17

A few things that interest me about Phil Kessel. His ability to shoot the puck. We don't have this. He's a gamer, he has the ability and desire to work hard, which would result in wins if he had more support around him. He is at a decent age still.

With this said, he would be a luxury to this team, not a need. The price would be too high and his price tag is already high. I think Hextall would have to go back on everything he's working towards to get Phil Kessel. Hopefully we can draft a Phil Kessel.

You should trade up to #4
- mr.sir

Luke Schenn for #4?

A few things that interest me about Phil Kessel. His ability to shoot the puck. We don't have this. He's a gamer, he has the ability and desire to work hard, which would result in wins if he had more support around him. He is at a decent age still.

With this said, he would be a luxury to this team, not a need. The price would be too high and his price tag is already high. I think Hextall would have to go back on everything he's working towards to get Phil Kessel. Hopefully we can draft a Phil Kessel.
- SuperSchennBros

I understand all your points, (and your avatar more so).
I don't have any confidence in drafting a Kessel, I understand he's a want, (a #1 D man is a need), but where would we have been in the standings with another 30 goal scorer?
I know everyone has a concern to improve the D, but I think our goals per game was the lowest in the last 10-12 years?
I'm not saying to go all out for him, the cap hit along with G, & V, would cripple us.
But, I'm curious to see what kind of package it would take from our standpoint, as I think lack of goal scoring hurt us just as much as our defensive game.

Would you trade for Kessel
- Winning

It is a move I would certainly consider ONLY if Toronto is willing to recognize the fact that they need to take on substantial salary to move that contract. AMac or RJ needs to be included in the deal or it's a nonstarter.

Coots, AMac and 29th overall would be my absolute best offer. But a 2nd line of Kessel-Schenn-Simmonds would produce very solid numbers at 5 on 5 imo.

Say what you will about Phil but he puts up great numbers. If he goes to a team and doesn't need to be the face of franchise then I think he's a very nice player to have. Sort of like Sharp or Hossa behind Toews and Kane.

It is a move I would certainly consider ONLY if Toronto is willing to recognize the fact that they need to take on substantial salary to move that contract. AMac or RJ needs to be included in the deal or it's a nonstarter.

Coots, AMac and 29th overall would be my absolute best offer. But a 2nd line of Kessel-Schenn-Simmonds would produce very solid numbers at 5 on 5 imo.

Say what you will about Phil but he puts up great numbers. If he goes to a team and doesn't need to be the face of franchise then I think he's a very nice player to have. Sort of like Sharp or Hossa behind Toews and Kane.
- hereticpride

Imo, there really is no scenario which would favor a Phil to the Flyers trade

It is a move I would certainly consider ONLY if Toronto is willing to recognize the fact that they need to take on substantial salary to move that contract. AMac or RJ needs to be included in the deal or it's a nonstarter.

Coots, AMac and 29th overall would be my absolute best offer. But a 2nd line of Kessel-Schenn-Simmonds would produce very solid numbers at 5 on 5 imo.

Say what you will about Phil but he puts up great numbers. If he goes to a team and doesn't need to be the face of franchise then I think he's a very nice player to have. Sort of like Sharp or Hossa behind Toews and Kane.
- hereticpride

Rather trade Schenn. Coots is turning into something special

Rather trade Schenn. Coots is turning into something special
- Winning

Yeah, I'd probably prefer that too but I think with Tampa's pick being so late in the 1st they'll need more than Schenn and that pick.

Yeah, I'd probably prefer that too but I think with Tampa's pick being so late in the 1st they'll need more than Schenn and that pick.
- hereticpride

Leaf fans want the moon, they're gonna be disappointed especially with Kessel dictating where he goes with that cap hit. I doubt he even gets moved

Leaf fans want the moon, they're gonna be disappointed especially with Kessel dictating where he goes with that cap hit. I doubt he even gets moved
- Winning

I don't think he does either. It's way too complicated to get done. They'd pretty much need the perfect situation.

1. Team with cap room
2. Team ready to win now
3. Team needs top line sniper
4. Team Kessel would approve a trade to
5. Team willing to ignore Kessel's defensive imperfections
6. Team willing to meet Toronto's prospect/pick demands

Leaf fans want the moon, they're gonna be disappointed especially with Kessel dictating where he goes with that cap hit. I doubt he even gets moved
- Winning

"Rumor " is two teams have met their price

I don't think he does either. It's way too complicated to get done. They'd pretty much need the perfect situation.

1. Team with cap room
2. Team ready to win now
3. Team needs top line sniper
4. Team Kessel would approve a trade to
5. Team willing to ignore Kessel's defensive imperfections
6. Team willing to meet Toronto's prospect/pick demands
- PhillySportsGuy

Phil is only 27. He doesn't need to go to a "win now" club. If I were the Yotes would I trade for him? No. But he makes a lot of sense to a lot of teams.

The contract really is by far the biggest issue.

No long term big contracts at this point unless it's a #1 Dman. Getting rid of these expensive longer term deals is a big piece to a brighter future.

Phil is only 27. He doesn't need to go to a "win now" club. If I were the Yotes would I trade for him? No. But he makes a lot of sense to a lot of teams.

The contract really is by far the biggest issue.
- hereticpride

On average, forwards reach their prime at ages 25-29. I'm not saying he'll fall off a cliff and won't be successful, I just don't think he's a guy you'd trade for unless you feel your team is contending or close to contending.

To be honest, I don't think the Flyers are in a position to trade for any 27 year old player unless it's a defenseman. I'd even have my issues if it was a defenseman because the price would force the team to gut the prospects.

Phil is only 27. He doesn't need to go to a "win now" club. If I were the Yotes would I trade for him? No. But he makes a lot of sense to a lot of teams.

The contract really is by far the biggest issue.
- hereticpride

There are other issues I'd have to consider also but I agree - way too little value for the contract hit.

Leafs at the very least would want a legit top pairing defensemen coming their way, which Philly doesn't have.

I don't think Kessel is worth the headache. Think about it. Does Philly seem like the right market for a guy a lazy as he is? Fans and media would rip this guy a new one.

A few things that interest me about Phil Kessel. His ability to shoot the puck. We don't have this. He's a gamer, he has the ability and desire to work hard, which would result in wins if he had more support around him. He is at a decent age still.

With this said, he would be a luxury to this team, not a need. The price would be too high and his price tag is already high. I think Hextall would have to go back on everything he's working towards to get Phil Kessel. Hopefully we can draft a Phil Kessel.
- SuperSchennBros

From the bit I've seen and read, I disagree.

Leafs at the very least would want a legit top pairing defensemen coming their way, which Philly doesn't have.

I don't think Kessel is worth the headache. Think about it. Does Philly seem like the right market for a guy a lazy as he is? Fans and media would rip this guy a new one.
- MatveiDmitrii

Ovechkin was considered just as lazy, how many times was he torched for leaving the ice against a breakaway so he didn't get the added minus?

Rather trade Schenn. Coots is turning into something special
- Winning

He could be something special, he could also be what he is which is a very useful 3 line defensive center. Either way , you can't have a team of checking centers.

That being said Kessel doesnt make much sense for this team so I would pass unless it was a deal of Rinaldo + Vinny and broken sticks.

You should trade up to #4
- mr.sir

VLC and 7 for 4. Deal.