Really.

I guess we should throw Tavares and Ovechkin into this group too.
- TheSabresTaco

Crosby also

Reilly Smith also came to Boston and is a hell of a player.
- dadeadhead

Was just doing a value assessment, yeah Smith looks like a quality top 6 guy, but they traded Peverly and Morrow to Dallas as well.

Just saying, this trade was like signing Ville Leino for $27 million for Boston.

Right, but money poorly spent is still money poorly spent whether it's mine or not.

My overall point is just because something can be bought at the so-called "going rate" doesn't make getting it a good idea. A trade plus contract for a guy like that is a mistake I'd rather someone else's team make.
- buffalofan19

So would I but in the end I'm not gonna b!tch about it til I'm blue in the face.


More important things in life honestly.

Was just doing a value assessment, yeah Smith looks like a quality top 6 guy, but they traded Peverly and Morrow to Dallas as well.

Just saying, this trade was like signing Ville Leino for $27 million for Boston.
- TheSabresTaco

Morrow came from Dallas


Peverley hasn't played in well over a year.

And he was moved for a guy who's career is more than likely over.
- dadeadhead

The going rate went from 3 million over to -32 million lol

Thomas Vanek Playoff Performance: Games 63 Goals 20

Rick Nash Playoff Performance: Games 60 Goals 10


You were saying????
- MEBSabresFAN

Nash is also used against the other teams top line because he's very good defensively. Vanek on the other hand, is not.

Morrow came from Dallas


Peverley hasn't played in well over a year.
- dadeadhead

I meant Button. But you get the point.

The trade was a (frank)ing bomb.

Nash is also used against the other teams top line because he's very good defensively. Vanek on the other hand, is not.
- HonkFortheGoose

Vanek also played most of his playoff games on teams that were far better offensively than the Rangers ever were. Goaltending and defense is the major reason the Rangers are so good. I'm not saying the Rangers are utterly incompetent offensively, but they're far from being an offensive powerhouse.

Vanek also played most of his playoff games on teams that were far better offensively than the Rangers ever were. Goaltending and defense is the major reason the Rangers are so good. I'm not saying the Rangers are utterly incompetent offensively, but they're far from being an offensive powerhouse.
- buffalofan19

If I'm given the choice of Vanek or Nash, I'm taking Nash every time with no hesitation.

I meant Button. But you get the point.

The trade was a (frank)ing bomb.
- TheSabresTaco

If I'm looking for a rw honestly I'd call Boston about Eriksson.

Kane/Eichel/Eriksson
Moulson/Girgensons/Ennis
Foligno/Reinhart/Gionta

Nash is also used against the other teams top line because he's very good defensively. Vanek on the other hand, is not.
- HonkFortheGoose

I was of the impression that posters rooting to get Nash it was for his Goal Scoring, I had no idea he was a PECA like Shut-Down Defensive forward.

Getting 1.7 per 10 games during the most important time of year from my leading Goal Scorer isn't good enough for my 8 Million Dollar Man. Vanek is either lazy or worried about bookies finding him

Vanek also played most of his playoff games on teams that were far better offensively than the Rangers ever were. Goaltending and defense is the major reason the Rangers are so good. I'm not saying the Rangers are utterly incompetent offensively, but they're far from being an offensive powerhouse.
- buffalofan19

Nash has some serious playoff scoring problems, inexcusable imo. You gotta think, If he's not the focus of scoring, and this team becomes a scoring by committee team, obviously with the biggest contributions from the Eichel line.. does he still get as much poop?

If I'm given the choice of Vanek or Nash, I'm taking Nash every time with no hesitation.
- HonkFortheGoose

Agreed.

Nash vs ROR

Isn't a complete slam dunk IMO.

Vanek also played most of his playoff games on teams that were far better offensively than the Rangers ever were. Goaltending and defense is the major reason the Rangers are so good. I'm not saying the Rangers are utterly incompetent offensively, but they're far from being an offensive powerhouse.
- buffalofan19

More NASH apologists.....yada, yada, yada, Put up or Shut Up for 8 Million 41 goal scorer

I was of the impression that posters rooting to get Nash it was for his Goal Scoring, I had no idea he was a PECA like Shut-Down Defensive forward.

Getting 1.7 goals during the most important time of year from my leading Goal Scorer isn't good enough for my 8 Million Dollar Man. Vanek is either lazy or worried about bookies finding him
- MEBSabresFAN

I think the point is if Nash isn't scoring he's still helping in team defense.

When Vanek wasn't scoring he was invisible out there.

If I'm looking for a rw honestly I'd call Boston about Eriksson.

Kane/Eichel/Eriksson
Moulson/Girgensons/Ennis
Foligno/Reinhart/Gionta
- dadeadhead

See, I said the same thing around the TDL, didn't seem like most were on board.

If he could get his numbers back up to 70 points, that makes him a legit top line rw. Big if though. Something about Boston kills offense.

I was of the impression that posters rooting to get Nash it was for his Goal Scoring, I had no idea he was a PECA like Shut-Down Defensive forward.

Getting 1.7 goals during the most important time of year from my leading Goal Scorer isn't good enough for my 8 Million Dollar Man. Vanek is either lazy or worried about bookies finding him
- MEBSabresFAN

The thing about the Sabres right now is that they're a long ways off from having to worry about it.

If, hypothetically, the Sabres were to land Rick Nash, his contract will be over by the time the Sabres really start to make a run as a contender. If he's a dud, you walk away. This is why length of contract is every bit as important as the player himself when you're talking about adding to a team like that. Any skill player with 3 years or less should be seen as gold at this point.

See, I said the same thing around the TDL, didn't seem like most were on board.

If he could get his numbers back up to 70 points, that makes him a legit top line rw. Big if though. Something about Boston kills offense.
- TheSabresTaco

This.

Get him with Eichel and Kane and he's back in that 60-70 range IMO

I think the point is if Nash isn't scoring he's still helping in team defense.

When Vanek wasn't scoring he was invisible out there.
- dadeadhead

At least Ricky shows up during the season. Every year, Vanish took a solid 10-20 games off.

I think the point is if Nash isn't scoring he's still helping in team defense.

When Vanek wasn't scoring he was invisible out there.
- dadeadhead

There was a game on either NBCSports Network or the NHL Network this year where Vanek fanned on a shot, and then got a penalty for tripping without taking a stride. I laugh every time I think about it.

See, I said the same thing around the TDL, didn't seem like most were on board.

If he could get his numbers back up to 70 points, that makes him a legit top line rw. Big if though. Something about Boston kills offense.
- TheSabresTaco

I've been in the get Loui corner for a while now.


Take on the Savard contract for floor purposes and I bet you can get him cheap.

See, I said the same thing around the TDL, didn't seem like most were on board.

If he could get his numbers back up to 70 points, that makes him a legit top line rw. Big if though. Something about Boston kills offense.
- TheSabresTaco

Only worried about giving up assets to acquire a guy that is one concussion away from never skating again

I think the point is if Nash isn't scoring he's still helping in team defense.

When Vanek wasn't scoring he was invisible out there.
- dadeadhead

Exactly. Do you want him to do more than that? Absolutely, but if he's not scoring, he's still a major contributor each night.

See, I said the same thing around the TDL, didn't seem like most were on board.

If he could get his numbers back up to 70 points, that makes him a legit top line rw. Big if though. Something about Boston kills offense.
- TheSabresTaco

That something is Claude Julien. Remember, he coached New Jersey for a while. He's a Jacques Lemaire disciple.

The thing about the Sabres right now is that they're a long ways off from having to worry about it.

If, hypothetically, the Sabres were to land Rick Nash, his contract will be over by the time the Sabres really start to make a run as a contender. If he's a dud, you walk away. This is why length of contract is every bit as important as the player himself when you're talking about adding to a team like that. Any skill player with 3 years or less should be seen as gold at this point.
- buffalofan19

3 years just so happens to be the end of Ricky's contract and the start of Jack's.

Juuuuust sayin!