Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2011-12 season (Rookie Season) 62 games played 18g, 34A for 52pts.

This is where I season Reinhart this year on this rebuilding team.
- sskkoo1

If that's the case in a full season he would be at 68 points. No chance in hell Reinhart sniffs anywhere near that this season.

RNH was the consensus top pick in that draft...Reinhart wasn't even the consensus top forward last year....

Why would Reinhart be the 2c when we have eichel and girgensons. I see him as the 3c next season.

True but we have a hole at RW for this season and like in Michael's blog the order is going Bap, Bailey, Fash, Rodriguez. None of which are NHL ready or even have played a single professional game at the AHL level. We need someone on the second line RW for this year. Will pick 21 be part of a trade for that? Will Grig or Hodgson be part of that? But someone needs to fill that hole.
- sskkoo1

We'll fine warm bodies to play wing and goalie this year until the real guys are ready. No need to worry about trying to fill them in the short term.

If that's the case in a full season he would be at 68 points. No chance in hell Reinhart sniffs anywhere near that this season.

RNH was the consensus top pick in that draft...Reinhart wasn't even the consensus top forward last year....

Why would Reinhart be the 2c when we have eichel and girgensons. I see him as the 3c next season.
- bjm1717

True. And I'm not saying Reinhart would get anywhere near 68 pts. I think 55pts would be max. And I think he should spend more time in Rochester. But in the hypothetical scenario of "How good could he be? How many pts can he actually get?" than I would have to say him playing an 82 game season at 2C with two top 6 wingers (Kane, Ennis, Moulson, X-factor) than it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he hits that mark.

We'll fine warm bodies to play wing and goalie this year until the real guys are ready. No need to worry about trying to fill them in the short term.
- Slump Buster

I have been saying this for months. People seem to think trading for young stars are easy.

True. And I'm not saying Reinhart would get anywhere near 68 pts. I think 55pts would be max. And I think he should spend more time in Rochester. But in the hypothetical scenario of "How good could he be? How many pts can he actually get?" than I would have to say him playing an 82 game season at 2C with two top 6 wingers (Kane, Ennis, Moulson, X-factor) than it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he hits that mark.
- sskkoo1

It absolutely isn't out of the realm of possibilities, but I give it a 5% chance. Unless there are injuries, he is your 3c. Playing with guys like foligno and gionta, I give it a much much higher possibility of him putting up less than 30 points.

We'll fine warm bodies to play wing and goalie this year until the real guys are ready. No need to worry about trying to fill them in the short term.
- Slump Buster

I agree. My only point was going back to an earlier point I made and that was I would like to see Grigorenko fill a top 6 RW spot for this season since it's only going to be a season of growth and evaluation anyways. At the very least we can finally see what this kid can do and if he is not in GMTM plans maybe we can increase his stock for a future trade.

It absolutely isn't out of the realm of possibilities, but I give it a 5% chance. Unless there are injuries, he is your 3c. Playing with guys like foligno and gionta, I give it a much much higher possibility of him putting up less than 30 points.
- bjm1717

I agree. 3C with Foligno and Gionta than 30 pts is much more likely a target for Reinhart. I was only commenting on what I think his max possibilities are given him at a top 6 center position with top line mates, Ice time, offensive zone starts, etc.

If that's the case in a full season he would be at 68 points. No chance in hell Reinhart sniffs anywhere near that this season.

RNH was the consensus top pick in that draft...Reinhart wasn't even the consensus top forward last year....

Why would Reinhart be the 2c when we have eichel and girgensons. I see him as the 3c next season.
- bjm1717

Where he's more often than not playing against the oppositions 3rd pairing D. If he's with Larsson, the two of them could very well cause some damage against a teams 3rd pair.

I'm not saying he's going to put up RNH numbers, but I think you're underselling him a bit as well.

If that's the case in a full season he would be at 68 points. No chance in hell Reinhart sniffs anywhere near that this season.

RNH was the consensus top pick in that draft...Reinhart wasn't even the consensus top forward last year....

Why would Reinhart be the 2c when we have eichel and girgensons. I see him as the 3c next season.
- bjm1717

Fun fact Reinhart outscored RNH in the WHL in the season of his draft class and the year prior. Actually he had 1 less point in 9 less games. So a RNH season is def doable for Reinhart. I know I know facts mean nothing here.

Fun fact Reinhart outscored RNH in the WHL in the season of his draft class and the year prior. Actually he had 1 less point in 9 less games. So a RNH season is def doable for Reinhart. I know I know facts mean nothing here.
- Stripes77

The interesting part about someone saying that RNH was the consensus #1 and that Reinhart wasn't even the consensus #1 forward is that the RNH draft was considered to be very weak too. So it's not like he's being compared to McDavid. It's the complete opposite in fact.

I agree. My only point was going back to an earlier point I made and that was I would like to see Grigorenko fill a top 6 RW spot for this season since it's only going to be a season of growth and evaluation anyways. At the very least we can finally see what this kid can do and if he is not in GMTM plans maybe we can increase his stock for a future trade.
- sskkoo1

Sure, that makes sense. Unlike the other guy about to be bought out he did respond last year and if there is ever a time to let him show what he can do it would be now.

The interesting part about someone saying that RNH was the consensus #1 and that Reinhart wasn't even the consensus #1 forward is that the RNH draft was considered to be very weak too. So it's not like he's being compared to McDavid. It's the complete opposite in fact.
- HonkFortheGoose

Facts: things that help you prove your point in a discussion the only exception is hockeybuzz...

If he stays 55pts. 15g 40A
- sskkoo1

I think thats a tad high for him. Drouin, despite all the post about him yesterday, was a more highly touted prospect and played on a much better team than the Sabre will have this year, and only managed 32 his rookie year.

I think thats a tad high for him. Drouin, despite all the post about him yesterday, was a more highly touted prospect and played on a much better team than the Sabre will have this year, and only managed 32 his rookie year.
- Mentalorgasm5

Two different types of players though. Drouin is the type of guy that's super skilled. Reinhart is a guy that's super smart. It's hard to say what Reinhart is going to do until we know how the rest of the lineup shakes out though.

The interesting part about someone saying that RNH was the consensus #1 and that Reinhart wasn't even the consensus #1 forward is that the RNH draft was considered to be very weak too. So it's not like he's being compared to McDavid. It's the complete opposite in fact.
- HonkFortheGoose

He also wasn't the consensus #1 till late in the year. Early in the year Couturier was the clear cut #1 and by mid-way through it was a three horse race between nuge, larsson and landeskog.

He also wasn't the consensus #1 till late in the year. Early in the year Couturier was the clear cut #1 and by mid-way through it was a three horse race between nuge, larsson and landeskog.
- Sabresfan-365

People also like to mention how Reinhart was the #2 pick and not the #1 pick, but that really was just how the pieces fell. Florida won the lottery and needed more help on the backend, so they took Ekblad. Had we had the #1 pick, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of who we took, because Murray wanted Reinhart all along.

People also like to mention how Reinhart was the #2 pick and not the #1 pick, but that really was just how the pieces fell. Florida won the lottery and needed more help on the backend, so they took Ekblad. Had we had the #1 pick, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of who we took, because Murray wanted Reinhart all along.
- HonkFortheGoose

Almost glad they didn't, could you imagine the uproar from fans if they had sent the #1 pick back to junior

2013 Aleksander Barkov C Tappara (FIN) Florida Panthers
2012 Ryan Murray D Everett (WHL) Columbus Blue Jackets
2011 Gabriel Landeskog LW Kitchener (OHL) Colorado Avalanche
2010 Tyler Seguin C Plymouth (OHL) Boston Bruins
2009 Victor Hedman D Modo (Swe) Tampa Bay Lightning
2008 Drew Doughty D Guelph Los Angeles Kings
2007 James VanRiemsdyk LW US Under-18 Philadelphia Flyers
2006 Jordan Staal C Peterborough (OHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
2005 Bobby Ryan RW Owen Sound Attack (OHL) Anaheim Ducks
2004 Evgeny Malkin C Magnitogorsk Metallurg (Russia) Pittsburgh Penguins
2003 Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes (OHL) Carolina Hurricanes
2002 Kari Lehtonen G Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Atlanta Thrashers
2001 Jason Spezza C Windsor Spitfires (OHL) Ottawa Senators
2000 Dany Heatley LW U. of Wisconsin (NCAA) Atlanta Thrashers


last 13 2nd overall picks, where would you rank Reinhart on this list?

People also like to mention how Reinhart was the #2 pick and not the #1 pick, but that really was just how the pieces fell. Florida won the lottery and needed more help on the backend, so they took Ekblad. Had we had the #1 pick, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of who we took, because Murray wanted Reinhart all along.
- HonkFortheGoose

Despite what he has said to the public, I have heard otherwise. Had Buffalo been picking 1st last year ekblad was the pick.

And F the Red Sox X3

2013 Aleksander Barkov C Tappara (FIN) Florida Panthers
2012 Ryan Murray D Everett (WHL) Columbus Blue Jackets
2011 Gabriel Landeskog LW Kitchener (OHL) Colorado Avalanche
2010 Tyler Seguin C Plymouth (OHL) Boston Bruins
2009 Victor Hedman D Modo (Swe) Tampa Bay Lightning
2008 Drew Doughty D Guelph Los Angeles Kings
2007 James VanRiemsdyk LW US Under-18 Philadelphia Flyers
2006 Jordan Staal C Peterborough (OHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
2005 Bobby Ryan RW Owen Sound Attack (OHL) Anaheim Ducks
2004 Evgeny Malkin C Magnitogorsk Metallurg (Russia) Pittsburgh Penguins
2003 Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes (OHL) Carolina Hurricanes
2002 Kari Lehtonen G Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Atlanta Thrashers
2001 Jason Spezza C Windsor Spitfires (OHL) Ottawa Senators
2000 Dany Heatley LW U. of Wisconsin (NCAA) Atlanta Thrashers


last 13 2nd overall picks, where would you rank Reinhart on this list?
- Sabresfan-365

That's tough. Based on how highly touted each were coming out I'd say he's around the middle of the pack

Despite what he has said to the public, I have heard otherwise. Had Buffalo been picking 1st last year ekblad was the pick.
- dadeadhead

I'm more inclined to believe this as well, especially after watching him play this year.

That's tough. Based on how highly touted each were coming out I'd say he's around the middle of the pack
- sbroads24

If im being harsh i have him 8th or 9th. It'd be easy for me to say i'd take him over say lehtonen but I imagine for a goalie to go that high there must've been a lot of hype around him.

If im being harsh i have him 8th or 9th. It'd be easy for me to say i'd take him over say lehtonen but I imagine for a goalie to go that high there must've been a lot of hype around him.
- Sabresfan-365

He's behind

Ryan
Spezza
Malkin
Barkov
Hedman
Doughty
Seguin


He's around the van Reimsdyk, Landeskog caliber

And F the Red Sox X3
- Sabresfan-365

We stink.