I am in the minority, but I like Zadorov more than Risto.

I can see both Risto and Zadorov as the top pairing. McCabe(nice two way defender who has some skill with the puck) with Bogo(nasty), and then Pysyk with TBD UFA or developed play such as Brycen Martin.

I am still a little mad we didn't take Roland McKeown in the 2nd round last year, I like him.
- Mentalorgasm5

I agree on McKeown. I wish we had taken him & Daugherty over Cornel & Karabacek

I keep going back and forth on ROR, I tend to agree that I wouldn't want to be too heavy up front and have a "Patch-Work" on are Back End.....

Then I think, I would ONLY send BigZ IF we could agree to at least 5 yr deal, at 7 or under with heavy up front cash pay out, AND if our scouts, have a perponderance belief that BigZ WON'T turn into a "Hitting-Karlson" , if half the staff sees him maturing into a Two Way Danger to Score or Drive you into the first row, I don't move him, to RARE a combination.

In a perfect world, we could send Freakerenko, our #21 , and a Top Forward Prospect, McCabb or Weber, working out in a 3 way deal where some team wants young prospect forwards, and a young McCabb for a 25-28 talented D-Man for the Avalanche. Seems like a lot of moves to get it done. I doubt we see it.

It has.

Dan Catenacci says hi.

1st round potential.

Zero brains.

Equals 3rd pick
- dadeadhead

I don't think he was ever touted as a 1st round pick. Maybe mid-late 2nd. Not once did I see him mocked in rd 1.

But what does brains have anything to do with anything or even my last comment? I was talking about commitment, not smarts. And besides. How do we know the kid's dumb?

I keep going back and forth on ROR, I tend to agree that I wouldn't want to be too heavy up front and have a "Patch-Work" on are Back End.....

Then I think, I would ONLY send BigZ IF we could agree to at least 5 yr deal, at 7 or under with heavy up front cash pay out, AND if our scouts, have a perponderance belief that BigZ WON'T turn into a "Hitting-Karlson" , if half the staff sees him maturing into a Two Way Danger to Score or Drive you into the first row, I don't move him, to RARE a combination.

In a perfect world, we could send Freakerenko, our #21 , and a Top Forward Prospect, McCabb or Weber, working out in a 3 way deal where some team wants young prospect forwards, and a young McCabb for a 25-28 talented D-Man for the Avalanche. Seems like a lot of moves to get it done. I doubt we see it.
- MEBSabresFAN

Sounds like a big ol' waste of (frank)in time.

Zadorov plays like Scott Stevens. No, I didn't say he's as good or will be as good as, but I think his game is very similar. So why the (frank) are we trading Zadorov for some scum bag piece of poop center that scores 50-60 points a year and adding him to our arguably strongest position on the ice, center? It's (frank)ing dumb.

STOP. TRADING. ZADOROV.

Sounds like a big ol' waste of (frank)in time.

Zadorov plays like Scott Stevens. No, I didn't say he's as good or will be as good as, but I think his game is very similar. So why the (frank) are we trading Zadorov for some scum bag piece of poop center that scores 50-60 points a year and adding him to our arguably strongest position on the ice, center? It's (frank)ing dumb.

STOP. TRADING. ZADOROV.
- TheSabresTaco

I don't want to trade him either. Some people on here kill me ! Yeah, let's trade Zad's, our 21st plus plus for a guy unsigned after next year.

He's got that nasty side that I love in a D man. Plus he's big and mobile. Just gotta mature.

Sounds like a big ol' waste of (frank)in time.

Zadorov plays like Scott Stevens. No, I didn't say he's as good or will be as good as, but I think his game is very similar. So why the (frank) are we trading Zadorov for some scum bag piece of poop center that scores 50-60 points a year and adding him to our arguably strongest position on the ice, center? It's (frank)ing dumb.

STOP. TRADING. ZADOROV.
- TheSabresTaco

Thank you , My TACO man!

I agree, I don't want to watch BigZ Skate in All-Star games while we show off our 18g 32a Two way centermen!

I would only do a deal with McCabe and a couple of forward prospects

I don't want to trade him either. Some people on here kill me ! Yeah, let's trade Zad's, our 21st plus plus for a guy unsigned after next year.

He's got that nasty side that I love in a D man. Plus he's big and mobile. Just gotta mature.
- Pairo11

yeah, he's late to practice as a 19 year old and now half these guys are throwing him in trade proposals because they're worried about maturity. (frank)ing obnoxious. Defenders take years to mature their game, and sometimes, kids make mistakes. He'll mature, he'll grow mentally and physically and he'll be a great addition to our blue line for years to come.

Thank you , My TACO man!

I agree, I don't want to watch BigZ Skate in All-Star games while we show off our 18g 32a Two way centermen!

I would only do a deal with McCabe and a couple of forward prospects
- MEBSabresFAN

I mean, yeah, you gotta give to get. I understand that completely. I don't think people realize our lack of depth at the defense position. Ruhwedel is a tweener and McCabe is the only other guy we've got ready for spot NHL duty. The other guys are years away. Getting rid of Zadorov for a player of ROR's position and skill is a waste of (frank)ing time and energy. IF. IF you're trading Zadorov, which I am totally against, it better be for a top line winger. No ifs ands or buts.

I don't want to trade him either. Some people on here kill me ! Yeah, let's trade Zad's, our 21st plus plus for a guy unsigned after next year.

He's got that nasty side that I love in a D man. Plus he's big and mobile. Just gotta mature.
- Pairo11

Please, let the RECORD be corrected, there may be some on here that WANT to trade BIG-Z, MEB is not on that list!

If we NEEDED a Centermen REALLY BAD, like if we hadn't finished with one of the Top Two this year, We would have to get creative to help down the middle, but we now have an embaressing abundance at Center, I do not want to delete from our -D-Men Stable!

As we look back on aquiring Evander Kane, I'm really seeing a master stroke by GMTIM by finding a way to get a Good Young D-Man Back in that deal, the more time that passes the more I like that trade even more.

It could've been WINNIPEG asking for MYERS for KANE, It wouldn't have been as good as Trading MYERS for BOGO (slight advantage Peg, time will tell) a handful of prospects for a Proven #3 Overall Highly Skilled Young Strong Winger with a Chip on his shoulder!

None of those prospects will become as good as EVANDER KANE, my opinion.

Masterful Trade.........Just Saying.......

yeah, he's late to practice as a 19 year old and now half these guys are throwing him in trade proposals because they're worried about maturity. (frank)ing obnoxious. Defenders take years to mature their game, and sometimes, kids make mistakes. He'll mature, he'll grow mentally and physically and he'll be a great addition to our blue line for years to come.
- TheSabresTaco

The "maturity" issue doesn't bother me. However, in any trade worth making, you have to give to get. Zadorov is still very raw, but has huge upside, which gives him value. That's why people are willing to see him traded. He's got enough upside to be valuable, but trading him doesn't hurt you as much as someone like Ristolainen.

That's not to say I want him out of here, but if I can get a dynamic forward for him, or a package including him, it's going to be tough to say no.

EDIT: I don't consider Ryan O'Reilly one of those guys.

The "maturity" issue doesn't bother me. However, in any trade worth making, you have to give to get. Zadorov is still very raw, but has huge upside, which gives him value. That's why people are willing to see him traded. He's got enough upside to be valuable, but trading him doesn't hurt you as much as someone like Ristolainen.

That's not to say I want him out of here, but if I can get a dynamic forward for him, or a package including him, it's going to be tough to say no.

EDIT: I don't consider Ryan O'Reilly one of those guys.
- buffalofan19

I would need "Dynamic" more specifically defined. I don't place ROR as "Dynamic"

The "maturity" issue doesn't bother me. However, in any trade worth making, you have to give to get. Zadorov is still very raw, but has huge upside, which gives him value. That's why people are willing to see him traded. He's got enough upside to be valuable, but trading him doesn't hurt you as much as someone like Ristolainen.

That's not to say I want him out of here, but if I can get a dynamic forward for him, or a package including him, it's going to be tough to say no.

EDIT: I don't consider Ryan O'Reilly one of those guys.
- buffalofan19

WOW.....Your EDIT beat my EDIT.....

The "maturity" issue doesn't bother me. However, in any trade worth making, you have to give to get. Zadorov is still very raw, but has huge upside, which gives him value. That's why people are willing to see him traded. He's got enough upside to be valuable, but trading him doesn't hurt you as much as someone like Ristolainen.

That's not to say I want him out of here, but if I can get a dynamic forward for him, or a package including him, it's going to be tough to say no.

EDIT: I don't consider Ryan O'Reilly one of those guys.
- buffalofan19

It's funny because Zadorov is probably worth more than any of our other D prospects (I don't consider Risto a prospect at this point) even though he's probably the biggest wild card of them all. At this point we know what we're going to get from Pysyk, we've seen what McCabe can do, and Ruhwedel has been pretty solid in his limited NHL time as well. But Zadorov is still, on his own, going to bring in a better return than any of them because if he manages to hit the high side of what he seems to be capable of, he's going to be a monster for years.

The "maturity" issue doesn't bother me. However, in any trade worth making, you have to give to get. Zadorov is still very raw, but has huge upside, which gives him value. That's why people are willing to see him traded. He's got enough upside to be valuable, but trading him doesn't hurt you as much as someone like Ristolainen.

That's not to say I want him out of here, but if I can get a dynamic forward for him, or a package including him, it's going to be tough to say no.

EDIT: I don't consider Ryan O'Reilly one of those guys.
- buffalofan19

See my next comment.

yeah, he's late to practice as a 19 year old and now half these guys are throwing him in trade proposals because they're worried about maturity. (frank)ing obnoxious. Defenders take years to mature their game, and sometimes, kids make mistakes. He'll mature, he'll grow mentally and physically and he'll be a great addition to our blue line for years to come.
- TheSabresTaco

I've always considered myself to be a very responsible person. Even when I was 19. But I sure as hell woke up late for work once in a while. It happens. We're human. Gionta came out and said that it was a rookie mistake to not make sure you're back in town the day prior to the first practice after the All Star break. It's a mistake that I'm sure a lot of guys have made and that a lot more guys will make going forward. Anyone who's panicking about his maturity needs to settle down a bit and realize he's still just a kid.

It's funny because Zadorov is probably worth more than any of our other D prospects (I don't consider Risto a prospect at this point) even though he's probably the biggest wild card of them all. At this point we know what we're going to get from Pysyk, we've seen what McCabe can do, and Ruhwedel has been pretty solid in his limited NHL time as well. But Zadorov is still, on his own, going to bring in a better return than any of them because if he manages to hit the high side of what he seems to be capable of, he's going to be a monster for years.
- HonkFortheGoose

I think another reason people are willing to see Zadorov moved is that this team has bet heavily on potential for the better part of a decade, now, which is exactly why the team is in the position it's in.

It's funny because Zadorov is probably worth more than any of our other D prospects (I don't consider Risto a prospect at this point) even though he's probably the biggest wild card of them all. At this point we know what we're going to get from Pysyk, we've seen what McCabe can do, and Ruhwedel has been pretty solid in his limited NHL time as well. But Zadorov is still, on his own, going to bring in a better return than any of them because if he manages to hit the high side of what he seems to be capable of, he's going to be a monster for years.
- HonkFortheGoose

Thats why I described his ceiling as, "Stevens/Karlson" .... just to have the potential to be that is making him almost "Untradable"

Its funny how, we really WANTED Myers to be that guy, he can bring the Karlson part, but he will never be HARD in the CORNERS punishing, open ice hitting D-Man.....We have seen his mind want to do what his body can't deliver. Good Defensemen, with Good Mobility, Good Offense and good first pass. Then he drops off

I've always considered myself to be a very responsible person. Even when I was 19. But I sure as hell woke up late for work once in a while. It happens. We're human. Gionta came out and said that it was a rookie mistake to not make sure you're back in town the day prior to the first practice after the All Star break. It's a mistake that I'm sure a lot of guys have made and that a lot more guys will make going forward. Anyone who's panicking about his maturity needs to settle down a bit and realize he's still just a kid.
- HonkFortheGoose

Right on.

I feel we as a group here had an awful debate on that topic. Something along the lines of he's not a kid he's an NHL player, act like one, he's a bust! ect ect ect

I think another reason people are willing to see Zadorov moved is that this team has bet heavily on potential for the better part of a decade, now, which is exactly why the team is in the position it's in.
- buffalofan19

Either that or DR just didn't have the sack to trade his players. Our top line was as weak and less talented as the Sedin line. If you're not putting up excellent offense, then things need to change. Things needed to change in the summer of 2007 when Darcy thought losing our best two players and leaders was a fine idea and Derek Roy and Drew Stafford were going to wear the A. (frank).

I think another reason people are willing to see Zadorov moved is that this team has bet heavily on potential for the better part of a decade, now, which is exactly why the team is in the position it's in.
- buffalofan19

True, potential vs. NHL proven is a very real tangible value. In the past we hoped for potential without having a plan B, We now can await potential and have a Plan B. I don't move BigZ unless we are getting a young, signed, Top-Line Winger, as good or better than Evandar Kane

Right on.

I feel we as a group here had an awful debate on that topic. Something along the lines of he's not a kid he's an NHL player, act like one, he's a bust! ect ect ect
- TheSabresTaco

I work in what's considered a professional environment. Yet we still get emails about people not following dress code and there's signs posted in some of the bathrooms about cleaning up after yourself among other things. Nothing shocks me anymore, so maybe that's why I don't think his "antics" are that big of a deal.

Either that or DR just didn't have the sack to trade his players. Our top line was as weak and less talented as the Sedin line. If you're not putting up excellent offense, then things need to change. Things needed to change in the summer of 2007 when Darcy thought losing our best two players and leaders was a fine idea and Derek Roy and Drew Stafford were going to wear the A. (frank).
- TheSabresTaco

Tacos are Yummy and Wise !

Edit: I do NOT wish to eat or nibble at you in ANY way!

Right on.

I feel we as a group here had an awful debate on that topic. Something along the lines of he's not a kid he's an NHL player, act like one, he's a bust! ect ect ect
- TheSabresTaco

There is something to be said, though, for certain people having higher expectations than others. He absolutely should be held to a higher standard than your average 19-year-old. He's in a rare position where he gets paid six figures to play a game for a living as a teenager. He does deserve all the criticism he gets for it. Now, I don't want to see him traded simply for it, but I'm not going to get on anybody's case for criticizing him and not dismissing it as nothing. It comes with the territory of being in such a high-stakes business.

Tacos are Yummy and Wise !

Edit: I do NOT wish to eat or nibble at you in ANY way!
- MEBSabresFAN

Oh my

There is something to be said, though, for certain people having higher expectations than others. He absolutely should be held to a higher standard than your average 19-year-old. He's in a rare position where he gets paid six figures to play a game for a living as a teenager. He does deserve all the criticism he gets for it. Now, I don't want to see him traded simply for it, but I'm not going to get on anybody's case for criticizing him and not dismissing it as nothing. It comes with the territory of being in such a high-stakes business.
- buffalofan19

I understand that view, to a point. Yes, he needs to be responsible. Yes, guys make rookie mistakes, whether we hear about them or not. But to go as far as calling him a bust because of severe maturity issues and Garth'ing him into countless trade offers for one, the same, (frank)ing player is obnoxious and completely unnecessary.

Not calling out anyone out in particular here. But we all know what's been said round these parts during the season.