You really are bad at math. You have at the most 12m in cap space and resigning Stepan and adding Lucic you would be around 11m in cap, leaving you with around 1m in space but having 9 forwards, 6d, and 2 goalies under contract.

Last time I checked you need 12 forwards. A little over a million to sign 3 guys, when the league min is 550k..the math doesnt add up
- DDM-Coga

Except my original deal for Lucic involved sending Talbot and Klein to Edmonton for the 16th pick thats rumored. Thats the only way I think Lucic would come with Miller and Hagelin so that removes another 4.5M. Add Skapski and hunwick for about 1.5M and that Net addition is another $3M.

With $4M, we have no problem signing extras considering Oscar Lindberg at around $850K is definitely one of the forwards and maybe Shephard at no more than $1M.

You are really bad at math. You have at the most 12m in cap space and resigning Stepan and adding Lucic you would be around 11m in cap, leaving you with around 1m in space but having 9 forwards, 6d, and 2 goalies under contract..thats 17 guys. Minimum opening day roster is 20, max is 23.

Last time I checked you need 12 forwards. A little over a million to sign 3 guys, when the league min is 550k..the math doesnt add up.
- DDM-Coga

Except my original deal for Lucic involved sending Talbot and Klein to Edmonton. Thats another 4.5M. Add Skapski and hunwick for about 1.5M and that Net addition is another $3M.

With $4M, we have no problem signing extras considering Oscar Lindberg at around $850K is definitely one of the forwards and maybe Shephard at no more than $1M.
- xcheckmajor

Lucic isnt being traded twice in 1 season you dolt. And moving 2 roster players out for 1, you still need to replace them, its just not free money.

Lucic isnt being traded twice in 1 season you dolt. And moving 2 roster players out for 1, you still need to replace them, its just not free money.
- DDM-Coga

What are you talking about? Talbot and Klein for Edmonton's 16th overall. Then the 16th Overall plus hagelin and Miller to Bos for Lucic. My math is just fine Idiot.

What are you talking about? Talbot and Klein for Edmonton's 16th overall. Then the 16th Overall plus hagelin and Miller to Bos for Lucic. My math is just fine Idiot.
- xcheckmajor

now im all confused, how many trades are you making here.

wasnt Lucic already traded once in this thread to Edmonton, I think trades got combined somehow.

Either way, Rangers are in cap trouble too, they will be looking at shedding some guys

- Vukota

Lucic isnt being traded twice in 1 season you dolt. And moving 2 roster players out for 1, you still need to replace them, its just not free money.
- DDM-Coga

Its not a 3 way trade and it only involves Lucic going to NY. What are you even talking about? Ny is acquiring a pick, then using that pick to deal for Lucic. Its 2 simple trades, not a 3 way deal.

Its not a 3 way trade and it only involves Lucic going to NY. What are you even talking about? Ny is acquiring a pick, then using that pick to deal for Lucic. Its 2 simple trades, not a 3 way deal.
- xcheckmajor

Either way, adding a 6m man in Lucic isnt a smart move for the Rangers, cap space is valuable and they cant afford to add a high price winger without movign someone out of significant value

still only 12m (unconfirmed what the actual cap no will be) in cap space and you move guys on the book of Klein and Talot (-4.35) and add Lucic (6m)...you added 1.65m in cap space, now you down to approx 10.35m in space, 14 guys signed, so min you need to sign 6 guys, and stepan being one of them..if you sign him at 6m thats 4.35 to pay with to sign 3 forwards, 1 Dman, and a back up goalie plus if you plan on carrying any guys in the press box. And those RFAs you mentioned will be getting raises, so they wont be 750k cap hits (5-10% min increases depending on the ELC they signed just to qualify them)

Dont think its exactly works as you forsee it happening.

I started this idea because Edm is reported to be interested in moving their 16th overall pick to NY for Talbot and Klein. Then I'm just seeing if using that 16th pick and packaging in Hagelin and Miller would be enough to get Lucic from Boston. It eases cap for Boston, adds 2 young players and a great pick to Boston who needs youth. Gives NY size and grit and removes some Cap as well because Edmonton is taking $4.5M. Its all pretty simple, not sure who's the dolt here.

What are you talking about? Talbot and Klein for Edmonton's 16th overall. Then the 16th Overall plus hagelin and Miller to Bos for Lucic. My math is just fine Idiot.
- xcheckmajor

Why would Boston want a RFA in Hagelin when they are already up against the cap? Hagelin is getting at least 3.5 million so they are only saving 2.5 million and then factor what miller makes and they really aren't getting much cap relief at all.

Why would Boston want a RFA in Hagelin when they are already up against the cap? Hagelin is getting at least 3.5 million so they are only saving 2.5 million and then factor what miller makes and they really aren't getting much cap relief at all.
- Vukota

Don't worry. We don't. I'll take Girardi and a 3nd for Lucic.

Why would Boston want a RFA in Hagelin when they are already up against the cap? Hagelin is getting at least 3.5 million so they are only saving 2.5 million and then factor what miller makes and they really aren't getting much cap relief at all.
- Vukota

Because you are also removing 1 roster spot's cap hit. Miller and hagelin would occupy 2 spots. So really your relieving Lucic plus another player's cap hits. Miller wont be getting more than 1.5M tops and like you said, hags would get around 3.5. Thats 5M in exchange for Lucic's 6M plus whatever player you want to remove. Could be decent cap relief, PLUS your getting the 16th overall pick and getting 2 guys that are really young producers.

I started this idea because Edm is reported to be interested in moving their 16th overall pick to NY for Talbot and Klein. Then I'm just seeing if using that 16th pick and packaging in Hagelin and Miller would be enough to get Lucic from Boston. It eases cap for Boston, adds 2 young players and a great pick to Boston who needs youth. Gives NY size and grit and removes some Cap as well because Edmonton is taking $4.5M. Its all pretty simple, not sure who's the dolt here.
- xcheckmajor

sure I (frank)ed up the first part of your fantasy land trade, but he STILL DOESNT work cap wise for NYR, you dont start the season with a 20man roster just to be under the cap, what benefit does that do you. 1 injury and you are (frank)ed. It doesnt work

Either way, adding a 6m man in Lucic isnt a smart move for the Rangers, cap space is valuable and they cant afford to add a high price winger without movign someone out of significant value

still only 12m (unconfirmed what the actual cap no will be) in cap space and you move guys on the book of Klein and Talot (-4.35) and add Lucic (6m)...you added 1.65m in cap space, now you down to approx 10.35m in space, 14 guys signed, so min you need to sign 6 guys, and stepan being one of them..if you sign him at 6m thats 4.35 to pay with to sign 3 forwards, 1 Dman, and a back up goalie plus if you plan on carrying any guys in the press box. And those RFAs you mentioned will be getting raises, so they wont be 750k cap hits (5-10% min increases depending on the ELC they signed just to qualify them)

Dont think its exactly works as you forsee it happening.
- DDM-Coga

The backup is Skapsi at $665K and dman is Hunwick at $900K and one forward is Lindberg at $850K. That leaves plenty for 2 forwards.

Rangers have made things like this work for years now, they are always up against the cap and somehow, Sather makes little moves to keep them right under it.

Don't worry. We don't. I'll take Girardi and a 3nd for Lucic.
- glove_was_stuck

Thats even worse capwise. Girardi's cap hit is higher than Miller and Hagelin combined and you still need another roster player's cap hit at the forward position your losing in Lucic...lol you guys are funny in your way of managing roster spots and available cap.

The backup is Skapsi at $665K and dman is Hunwick at $900K and one forward is Lindberg at $850K. That leaves plenty for 2 forwards.

Rangers have made things like this work for years now, they are always up against the cap and somehow, Sather makes little moves to keep them right under it.
- xcheckmajor

Where do you get 20 man roster from? I'll make it black and white.

Zucc (4.5M) Brass (5M) Nash (7.8M) 17.3M
Kreid(2.475M) Step (5.75M) Lucic (6M) 14.225M
Fast (900K) Lindberg (750K) Hayes (900K) 2.55M
Glass (1.45M) Moore (1.5M) Shep (900K) 3.85M

Forwards $38.125M

McD (4.7M) G (5.5M) 10.2M
Staal (5.7M) Yandle (2.625M) 8.325M
Boyle (4.5M) Hunwick (900K) 5.4M

Defense $23.925M

Hank (8.5M) Skapski (663K) 9.163M

71.013M

Tight Cap, but workable with the way Slats and Gorton have manuevered.

The backup is Skapsi at $665K and dman is Hunwick at $900K and one forward is Lindberg at $850K. That leaves plenty for 2 forwards.

Rangers have made things like this work for years now, they are always up against the cap and somehow, Sather makes little moves to keep them right under it.
- xcheckmajor

Thats 1.9m for 2 forwards, an no healthy scratches for injuries. Its tight but thats assuming Stepan will sign for that amount and that the cap is as high as 71m, until confirmed. This would still be a disaster cap space wise for the Rangers

Because you are also removing 1 roster spot's cap hit. Miller and hagelin would occupy 2 spots. So really your relieving Lucic plus another player's cap hits. Miller wont be getting more than 1.5M tops and like you said, hags would get around 3.5. Thats 5M in exchange for Lucic's 6M plus whatever player you want to remove. Could be decent cap relief, PLUS your getting the 16th overall pick and getting 2 guys that are really young producers.
- xcheckmajor

Hagelin is a 3rd liner at best and nobody knows what Miller is going to be. Boston could probably deal Lucic for a 1st and cheaper prospects with more upside IMO or just cheaper prospects with more upside. Not a terrible offer and I just think they could do much better plus I don't see the Rangers adding another 6 million dollar player who will be looking for a big payday next summer when you still have Nash making almost 8 million and also having to sign Kreider next year but I guess we'll find out soon enough

Where do you get 20 man roster from? I'll make it black and white.

Zucc (4.5M) Brass (5M) Nash (7.8M) 17.3M
Kreid(2.475M) Step (5.75M) Lucic (6M) 14.225M
Fast (900K) Lindberg (750K) Hayes (900K) 2.55M
Glass (1.45M) Moore (1.5M) Shep (900K) 3.85M

Forwards $38.125M

McD (4.7M) G (5.5M) 10.2M
Staal (5.7M) Yandle (2.625M) 8.325M
Boyle (4.5M) Hunwick (900K) 5.4M

Defense $23.925M

Hank (8.5M) Skapski (663K) 9.163M

71.013M

Tight Cap, but workable with the way Slats and Gorton have manuevered.
- xcheckmajor

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377

Also I dont think Stepan signs for under 6m. Look at the league right now, his value is set around 6.5m. Look at what Stastny got as a Ufa (28), what ROR is asking for (24)

Those are comparable Top 6 Centers around the same age recently. No way he signs for less than 6m. He would be leaving so much money on the table,

You still need to move a guy out to make it really work

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377

Also I dont think Stepan signs for under 6m. Look at the league right now, his value is set around 6.5m. Look at what Stastny got as a Ufa (28), what ROR is asking for (24)

Those are comparable Top 6 Centers around the same age recently. No way he signs for less than 6m. He would be leaving so much money on the table,
- DDM-Coga

Thats a reasonable argument. What i see is leaving a little (like 500K) on the table to stay long term with a Cup contender for many years to come. Plus, Stepan took a little step back in production value this season. I would say he's a lock for $6M+ if he continued to produce at 70+pts but he didn't. Sather and Gorton has historically been brilliant in contract efficiency. Callahan being the only loss but even that deal could have been made, Sather just decided to not go down that path.

I get what your saying, but its not like what I proposed is completely mathematically moronic like you implied earlier. I could be done with minor adjustments.

Where do you get 20 man roster from? I'll make it black and white.

Zucc (4.5M) Brass (5M) Nash (7.8M) 17.3M
Kreid(2.475M) Step (5.75M) Lucic (6M) 14.225M
Fast (900K) Lindberg (750K) Hayes (900K) 2.55M
Glass (1.45M) Moore (1.5M) Shep (900K) 3.85M

Forwards $38.125M

McD (4.7M) G (5.5M) 10.2M
Staal (5.7M) Yandle (2.625M) 8.325M
Boyle (4.5M) Hunwick (900K) 5.4M

Defense $23.925M

Hank (8.5M) Skapski (663K) 9.163M

71.013M

Tight Cap, but workable with the way Slats and Gorton have manuevered.
- xcheckmajor

Yeah but that leaves you with a very weak bottom 6 outside of Hayes. Terrible bottom pairing on D and there is no way they are going with Skapski as the full time backup. He can't play against the Sabres ever game I don't see the Rangers sacrificing all their depth for Lucic

Thats a reasonable argument. What i see is leaving a little (like 500K) on the table to stay long term with a Cup contender for many years to come. Plus, Stepan took a little step back in production value this season. I would say he's a lock for $6M+ if he continued to produce at 70+pts but he didn't. Sather and Gorton has historically been brilliant in contract efficiency. Callahan being the only loss but even that deal could have been made, Sather just decided to not go down that path.

I get what your saying, but its not like what I proposed is completely mathematically moronic like you implied earlier. I could be done with minor adjustments.
- xcheckmajor

What happens next year when Lucic & Kreider want to get paid?

Yeah but that leaves you with a very weak bottom 6 outside of Hayes. Terrible bottom pairing on D and there is no way they are going with Skapski as the full time backup. He can't play against the Sabres ever game I don't see the Rangers sacrificing all their depth for Lucic
- Vukota

Thats a consideration I agree. But Hunwick stepped in seamlessly when Klein was out for a long time this year. Also, Lindberg is an upgrade over Hagelin IMO, he's considered by coaches as a really really good 2 way player, enough to compensate for hagelin's penalty killing and defensive play. Plus he adds another Center to take faceoffs when needed. Lucic will offer more offense than Miller and St Louis combined this past season. The bottom six is virtually the same except for JT Miller and Lindberg changing.

Thats a reasonable argument. What i see is leaving a little (like 500K) on the table to stay long term with a Cup contender for many years to come. Plus, Stepan took a little step back in production value this season. I would say he's a lock for $6M+ if he continued to produce at 70+pts but he didn't. Sather and Gorton has historically been brilliant in contract efficiency. Callahan being the only loss but even that deal could have been made, Sather just decided to not go down that path.

I get what your saying, but its not like what I proposed is completely mathematically moronic like you implied earlier. I could be done with minor adjustments.
- xcheckmajor

no it wasnt fully off, however I just dont think it works cap wise for the Rangers since it kills all depth, filling spots with rookies just for their cheap hits, and it only works if you get the perfect storm of guys signing below their worth and the cap hit is on the higher side of 71m. If you get get rid of a Tanner Glass, then you will have the flexibility you need.

What happens next year when Lucic & Kreider want to get paid?
- Vukota

Dan Boyle's $4.5M comes off the cap and hopefully Brady Skjei is ready for a roll in the 6 man unit. His on ELC. Kreider gets a traditional Rangers bridge deal that will get him about a $2M raise to around $4.5M for 3 years. That still leaves $2.5M for Lucic to possibly get a raise....it just keeps going on and on. Tight, but continously manageable with minor moves. Tanner Glass and his 1.45M deal comes off too, which can be replaced with a kid like Buchnevich coming from the KHL on another ELC.

I think what I'm seeing is adding Lucic without destroying important core players. Hagelin and Miller are good but not like Stepan, Zuccarello, Nash, Brassard, Kreider....you add Lucic to that core just giving up complimentary players....its something I would do and try to make slight maneuvers to keep things in cap compliance.