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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Buzz on First Town Hall Meeting, A Look At Salary Cap
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Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 16 @ 3:58 PM ET
I would love to see it drop to 68, maybe GM's would stop handing out ridiculous contracts.

There was a lot of speculation months ago that there was potential that the cap would drop or stay the same and yet Bettman continued to claim it would rise at the same growth as last year.

The players can't be too stoked that they have been handing back 12%, 14% and then 16% of their salary over the last 18 months.

A lot of fanfare was made of the Sedin's donating 1.5 million to the BC Childrens Hospital when they signed their 5 year 30.5 million deals in 2010.

Last season alone they would of donated ~ 2 million back to the league between the two of them.... how generous.

- belcherbd


it's hard for me to feel sorry for the players given they insisted on having their salaries tied to the league numbers and we had to go through yet another lockout.


hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 16 @ 3:58 PM ET
So do the Coaches, Scouts, GM's. 40/1 Suggests the same result as the past season, or hopefully worse. Could you imagine the squirming those guys will do at their next Town Hall meeting when someone points out how the team is viewed by the oddsmakers! Remember Aquilini is very concerned about public perception, insulting odds like this fuel the fire. As they should.
- VanHockeyGuy


I would love to hear some honest player/team assessments from the group and compare that with the perception on this board.

Sometimes I get the feeling the group still doesn't want to tinker too much with the core, for some crazy reason. and that leaves tinkering with the guys that should be pushing for bigger roles or are established and on the upswing- Kassian, Bonino, Kenins, Corrado, Clandening more so than trading a core player like Higgins, Burrows, Bieksa, Sbisa, etc.

I am not sure if Vrbata will be asked to waive, great addition, but would love to see that expiring asset turned into a pick or prospect if we aren't winning the cup. Wouldn't be against moving Edler either for the right deal.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 16 @ 4:00 PM ET
You &astard !!!
- rugdnit


rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:01 PM ET

- hillbillydeluxe


Uncle Roman... I think he just said FASTER!
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 16 @ 4:02 PM ET
You &astard !!!
- rugdnit

Reported.
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:09 PM ET
Reported.
- Marwood


Uncle Chet just $hit a solid gold brick.
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Jun 16 @ 4:15 PM ET
All the Miller poop talk is annoying. Is it not enough that we ran a top 10 all-time goalie out of town(he'll probably be top 3 when career is said and done). Now we have a top 25 all time goalie that will probably finish top 10 all time that we feel we must run out of town for a goalie that may be top 100 all time if he can consistently start winning 40-50 games/year immediately. It's absolutely ludicrous how little this fanbase knows about/appreciates goaltending.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jun 16 @ 4:25 PM ET
So do the Coaches, Scouts, GM's. 40/1 Suggests the same result as the past season, or hopefully worse. Could you imagine the squirming those guys will do at their next Town Hall meeting when someone points out how the team is viewed by the oddsmakers! Remember Aquilini is very concerned about public perception, insulting odds like this fuel the fire. As they should.
- VanHockeyGuy


These odds are based on last seasons rosters more or less. No teams have gone through the draft day trade market, the draft itself and the entire summers worth of free agent signing. Why would any GM's squirm over these odds. Imagine what they will look like Oct 1st,,,, much different.

Not to mention only a brain dead season ticket holder is looking at excellent odds at winning the cup right now. Nobody in their right mind is thinking Benning should have built a contender by now... one season in. What the (frank) hahaha
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 16 @ 4:28 PM ET
These odds are based on last seasons rosters more or less. No teams have gone through the draft day trade market, the draft itself and the entire summers worth of free agent signing. Why would any GM's squirm over these odds. Imagine what they will look like Oct 1st,,,, much different.

Not to mention only a brain dead season ticket holder is looking at excellent odds at winning the cup right now. Nobody in their right mind is thinking Benning should have built a contender by now... one season in. What the (frank) hahaha

- boonerbuck

What?!?!?! Why not, dudes not doing his job right if he cant get it done in 6 months time...
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Jun 16 @ 4:52 PM ET
If 40:1 is realistic,and it is, why did we extend Dorsett and Sbisa?

The obvious answer this question is "we needed to in order to drop to 40-1 odds"
Benning is smart. He know Aquilani wont let him tank so he signs Sbisa to an extension and Keeps Miller and will probably keep KB as well. If we cant tank by shipping players out then we will tank by keeping players here and rewarding them with ridiculous contract extensions.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 16 @ 5:09 PM ET
If 40:1 is realistic,and it is, why did we extend Dorsett and Sbisa?

The obvious answer this question is "we needed to in order to drop to 40-1 odds"
Benning is smart. He know Aquilani wont let him tank so he signs Sbisa to an extension and Keeps Miller and will probably keep KB as well. If we cant tank by shipping players out then we will tank by keeping players here and rewarding them with ridiculous contract extensions.

- Linden_4_Capt

That sly b45t4rd
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Jun 16 @ 5:23 PM ET
That clever "like, Ummm, You know"
- Retinalz

Fixed
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 16 @ 5:25 PM ET
it's hard for me to feel sorry for the players given they insisted on having their salaries tied to the league numbers and we had to go through yet another lockout.
- Isles_since_6


I'll admit, I am far from an expert on this but aren't you talking about the cap being tied to league numbers?

The players are paid their salary but ownership holds back a portion of that (12, 14, 16 % etc) for escrow.

That means that if the owner are not getting paid their amount stipulated in the CBA, they can take that out of the players salaries.

Players salaries don't go up when the league is making money but they do lose when the league is losing money. The owners make their cut no matter what.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 16 @ 5:28 PM ET
Fixed
- Linden_4_Capt

Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 16 @ 5:30 PM ET
Fixed
- Linden_4_Capt

You sure know how to bring out the 12 year old girl in me
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 16 @ 5:36 PM ET
Those odds mean next to nothing, NHL fans know who the good teams are.
- LeftCoaster

We are not a good team
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 16 @ 5:39 PM ET
We are not a terrible team
- VANTEL


a Tuesday ringing endorsement.

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 16 @ 5:43 PM ET
I'll admit, I am far from an expert on this but aren't you talking about the cap being tied to league numbers?

The players are paid their salary but ownership holds back a portion of that (12, 14, 16 % etc) for escrow.

That means that if the owner are not getting paid their amount stipulated in the CBA, they can take that out of the players salaries.

Players salaries don't go up when the league is making money but they do lose when the league is losing money. The owners make their cut no matter what.

- belcherbd

So after the 16% Sbisa is making $3,024,000, seems more reasonable.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 16 @ 5:53 PM ET
If 40:1 is realistic,and it is, why did we extend Dorsett and Sbisa?
- Grumpy13


A Hawks fan came in last blog and politely said we have some good pieces, but we will not compete until the Sedins are gone and leadership changes.

IMO he is bang on. Waiting for the Sedins to retire is just slowing the process. They are very good players but that is a big chunk of change to be spent on leadership that is getting old and sedate mannered.

I want my leaders to be pissed at every loss. I don't want to hear we played well enough to win. I want teams to hate coming to play the Canucks because they are going to know they have been through a battle.

Most visiting teams look forward to their trip to Vancouver, and that is just wrong.

Dorsett put his heart on his sleeve every shift. Sbisa was brutal some games but he made sure every opponent kept their head up. The rest of our D no one ever bothered to worry about.

You need to have team as Coach Q said last night , you need high end talen , speed and grit. We really have none of that last year aside from the twins
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 16 @ 5:56 PM ET
So after the 16% Sbisa is making $3,024,000, seems more reasonable.
- A_SteamingLombardi


....until you realize that it is going into aquaman's pocket, while he also will try to justify higher prices because owners are losing money in this financial climate.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 16 @ 5:57 PM ET
We are not a good team
- VANTEL

Good enough to make the playoffs.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 16 @ 5:57 PM ET
I would love to see it drop to 68, maybe GM's would stop handing out ridiculous contracts.

There was a lot of speculation months ago that there was potential that the cap would drop or stay the same and yet Bettman continued to claim it would rise at the same growth as last year.

The players can't be too stoked that they have been handing back 12%, 14% and then 16% of their salary over the last 18 months.

A lot of fanfare was made of the Sedin's donating 1.5 million to the BC Childrens Hospital when they signed their 5 year 30.5 million deals in 2010.

Last season alone they would of donated ~ 2 million back to the league between the two of them.... how generous.

- belcherbd

We know they are saints . I wish they would kick a puppy to change public opinion
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
Good enough to make the playoffs.
- thundachunk


Might be one of the worst teams to make the playoffs in the history of the NHL.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
A Hawks fan came in last blog and politely said we have some good pieces, but we will not compete until the Sedins are gone and leadership changes.

IMO he is bang on. Waiting for the Sedins to retire is just slowing the process. They are very good players but that is a big chunk of change to be spent on leadership that is getting old and sedate mannered.

I want my leaders to be pissed at every loss. I don't want to hear we played well enough to win. I want teams to hate coming to play the Canucks because they are going to know they have been through a battle.

Most visiting teams look forward to their trip to Vancouver, and that is just wrong.

Dorsett put his heart on his sleeve every shift. Sbisa was brutal some games but he made sure every opponent kept their head up. The rest of our D no one ever bothered to worry about.

You need to have team as Coach Q said last night , you need high end talen , speed and grit. We really have none of that last year aside from the twins

- VANTEL


I agree with all of what you said, but the Sedin's are the only high end talent this team has had in awhile, this team gets worse without them not better as some suggest.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 16 @ 6:01 PM ET
Good enough to make the playoffs.
- thundachunk

If a teams plan is to finish 15 or 16 every year we would be champs
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