not a fan of the proposal
- Lee Denault

You don't have to be, Lee. Conversely, other team's fans will say it's too much in our favour. I'm just trying to make somewhat fair proposals.

I'm fimding that list hard to believe.

Is Phil really going to say no if Florida wants him? Tax Free and his home is there?

If any deal for Kessel to the Habs involves Galchenyuk, I for one believe that the Habs must walk away. Looking at the stats from last year alone there is not much that separates their production.

Kessel- 82gp 25g 36a 61p 2.38pp60
Galchenyuk-80gp 20g 26a 46p 2.10pp60

So if the Habs dealt Chucky to get Kessel they would be paying a huge premium for 15 more points a year. Now I know that this was Kessel's worst year in a while but to deal Galchenyuk's potential plus other assets would be a non-starter for myself and I believe Bergevin as well.

I can't believe how many Hab fans actually are actually wanting Phil... Let alone some of the proposed packages!

I'm fimding that list hard to believe.

Is Phil really going to say no if Florida wants him? Tax Free and his home is there?
- RogerRoeper

He lives in FLA? I thought he was from Minnesota?

I can't believe how many Hab fans actually are actually wanting Phil... Let alone some of the proposed packages!
- mlindsay

Well we badly need to boost our offence, and there is not really any other premium offence guy available. Maybe Nash or Sharp? They would probably be even more expansive to acquire. Any other one to propose? I sure don't fell too confident going into the next season without adding a good top-6 scorer to our lineup.

And maybe Habs fan likes Kessel more than average because he always play good when playing against Habs? A bit like Sundin before when we acquired his negotiating rights? (I'm not saying they are the same player style, obviously).

Almost 0 chance for Pittsburgh... It would be to much money locked into Malkin, Crosby, Letang and Kessel.

He lives in FLA? I thought he was from Minnesota?
- mlindsay

Off season home. Him and Tyler fish and cuddle there.

I can't believe how many Hab fans actually are actually wanting Phil... Let alone some of the proposed packages!
- mlindsay

They witnessed the Habs horrific offense in the playoffs.

Maybe instead of wasting 5.5 million per on Petry Phil would ha been the answer.

If any deal for Kessel to the Habs involves Galchenyuk, I for one believe that the Habs must walk away. Looking at the stats from last year alone there is not much that separates their production.

Kessel- 82gp 25g 36a 61p 2.38pp60
Galchenyuk-80gp 20g 26a 46p 2.10pp60

So if the Habs dealt Chucky to get Kessel they would be paying a huge premium for 15 more points a year. Now I know that this was Kessel's worst year in a while but to deal Galchenyuk's potential plus other assets would be a non-starter for myself and I believe Bergevin as well.
- DiedonSunday

yup, looking at Kessel's worst season in 5 years is definitely a fair way to judge his value.

yup, looking at Kessel's worst season in 5 years is definitely a fair way to judge his value.
- Schenn-Sational!

I agree it is not exactly fair, but there is no guarantee that he bounces back especially in Therrien's defence first system. What I am trying to say is that in that system Chucky had 46 points at 21yrs old and in a more wide open system Kessel just had 61 points at 26 years old. Who costs more? Who is more likely to progress? I think both those factors make Chucky the better proposition. Disagree all you want but the logic is sound.

I agree it is not exactly fair, but there is no guarantee that he bounces back especially in Therrien's defence first system. What I am trying to say is that in that system Chucky had 46 points at 21yrs old and in a more wide open system Kessel just had 61 points at 26 years old. Who costs more? Who is more likely to progress? I think both those factors make Chucky the better proposition. Disagree all you want but the logic is sound.
- DiedonSunday

In a Claude Julien defense first system a 21 year old Kessel had 36 goals and 60 points in 70 games. Who is more likely to progress. A 36 goal near PPG winger or a winger with only 46 points at 21? WHO!?

The logic is sound.

In a Claude Julien defense first system a 21 year old Kessel had 36 goals and 60 points in 70 games. Who is more likely to progress. A 36 goal near PPG winger or a winger with only 46 points at 21? WHO!?

The logic is sound.
- AdamFrench

Very true, but then that same team traded said winger. Then went on to win a cup without him. I like Kessel very much but I'll take my cost controlled 21yr old with 46 points over your 8mil dollar 26yr old with 61 points. I would trade For Kessel just not at the cost of Galchenyuk +

Very true, but then that same team traded said winger. Then went on to win a cup without him. I like Kessel very much but I'll take my cost controlled 21yr old with 46 points over your 8mil dollar 26yr old with 61 points. I would trade For Kessel just not at the cost of Galchenyuk +
- DiedonSunday

Eh, they traded Seguin and Thornton. They're the only organization that trades e;ite young talent.

I agree it is not exactly fair, but there is no guarantee that he bounces back especially in Therrien's defence first system. What I am trying to say is that in that system Chucky had 46 points at 21yrs old and in a more wide open system Kessel just had 61 points at 26 years old. Who costs more? Who is more likely to progress? I think both those factors make Chucky the better proposition. Disagree all you want but the logic is sound.
- DiedonSunday

based off a false premise. not sound.

based off a false premise. not sound.
- Schenn-Sational!

Premise is fine. Younger player more likely with very similar draft pedigree is more likely to progress.

Premise is fine. Younger player more likely with very similar draft pedigree is more likely to progress.
- DiedonSunday

comparison point is an outlier season, which had him as a PPG player until the worst coach in the NHL came in.

Not sound logic, not by a long shot.

And just because the young player is progressing, it doesn't mean he'll ever reach the same level.

And even if he does, it likely won't be for years, while Montreal is competitive now.

Kessel for McCarron (2013 Mtl 1st pick), Mtl 2015 1st, PA Parenteau and Jarred Tinordi (2010 Mtl 1st pick)
- koarik91

That's actually a pretty reasonable offer.

comparison point is an outlier season, which had him as a PPG player until the worst coach in the NHL came in.

Not sound logic, not by a long shot.

And just because the young player is progressing, it doesn't mean he'll ever reach the same level.

And even if he does, it likely won't be for years, while Montreal is competitive now.
- Schenn-Sational!

Good point about the ceiling. You are right about Galchenyuk, maybe he will never reach his ceiling. Maybe he is just what he is now and will never even reach 60 pts. I believe that betting on him is the more prudent choice however. Especially when you factor in player salary, cost in other assets and pedigree. I may be wrong but I would definitely walk away from a Kessel deal that costs Galchenyuk plus.

Sure, if every notch separates a top 10 scorer in his prime and a washed up waste of cap space.
- Phenom

That's a player you keep no matter what...contender or rebuild.

I'm sorry Mike keeps blog sniping you Lucas.

Like Ryan, Carter, and Richards?
- Schenn-Sational!

No names in those trades are as high as Galchenyuk's ceilling on Talent, age and potential. In my opinion, the nearest player was Voracek but no one thought that he would dev as the player he is today.

Flyers will keep their draft picks per hextall strategy on rebuild. Won't trade for pricey vets as they are trying to get out from holmgren era salary cap issues.

Where he ends up is going to be interesting, hope he scores on the Leafs every time.
- The_Hinter

This is a given. Even players who literally score 1 goal every 2 or 3 years that get traded away from the Leafs comeback and score on the Leafs. He will light them up every time he plays them.

He makes $8m but you guys must have some salary coming off the books?

you have 2 of the oldest D in the league

plus you would be sending back some salary..

Kessel to MTL
Gally / Emelin to T.O ( replace Emelin with whomever you'd like )

this seems more of a fair trade IMO
- Garnie

Normally I agree with you, but Kessel for Gallagher straight up with a borderline cap dump? (Emelin) As much as I want to trade him ASAP, I would rather hang on to him for a much better deal!!!