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PhilMcCracken
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mulmur, ON
Joined: 01.12.2014

Jun 18 @ 12:19 PM ET
No names in those trades are as high as Galchenyuk's ceilling on Talent, age and potential. In my opinion, the nearest player was Voracek but no one thought that he would dev as the player he is today.
- koarik91


Whoa whoa whoa.... so you're saying Gally is better than Carter and Richards (in his prime years?). Wow...just wow......
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 18 @ 12:59 PM ET
Whoa whoa whoa.... so you're saying Gally is better than Carter and Richards (in his prime years?). Wow...just wow......
- PhilMcCracken

No, he's comparing him to the 8th overall pick, Simmonds, Vorachek(who was highly viewed at the time), and Brayden Schenn.
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jun 18 @ 7:15 PM ET
No, he's comparing him to the 8th overall pick, Simmonds, Vorachek(who was highly viewed at the time), and Brayden Schenn.
- Schenn-Sational!


I was comparing Galchenuyk to each of the main pieces in return of the 3 players you said earlier

You had it right
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 19 @ 7:28 PM ET
Montreal is possible
andrest
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jun 21 @ 6:25 AM ET
Bigger, responsible 2 way forward with good offensive skills. Not a future #1 Center in my opinion but a good #2 if not excellent #3. Plays like Jordan Staal but lite in my opinion as for potential.

Potential for top 9 power forward

- koarik91

You must be kidding! The last big center we drafted, McCarron was drafted as a winger, is i dunno, no one! The last big center we had on the top 2 lines was Bobby Smith! If mtl trade Sherback or McCarron, the leafs will have to eat alot of Kessels salary. That won't happen.
andrest
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jun 21 @ 6:36 AM ET
I would think Kessel would cost 1 of Galchenyak/Gallagher - I don't think they trade Kessel without a sure bet coming back...especially to the (frank)ing stinking Hab
- Garnie

I think Kessel shouldn't cost that much! It's a salary dump so no grade A prospects! Habs will need cheap players to fill rest of roster. What we do have are defensemen. And again, don't look at cheap talented prospects, look at players who like Kessel have bad contracts. Emilin and Markov have LNTC btw.

Please no Scott Gomez type trade!
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:19 AM ET
You must be kidding! The last big center we drafted, McCarron was drafted as a winger, is i dunno, no one! The last big center we had on the top 2 lines was Bobby Smith! If mtl trade Sherback or McCarron, the leafs will have to eat alot of Kessels salary. That won't happen.
- andrest


It's already said that TOR would need to retain salary. Kessel might be hated around in the league but the guy is a regular 35-40 goal scorer.

I would be ready to give at least McCarron for him
andrest
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jun 21 @ 5:14 PM ET
It's already said that TOR would need to retain salary. Kessel might be hated around in the league but the guy is a regular 35-40 goal scorer.

I would be ready to give at least McCarron for him

- koarik91

If Toronto wanted to retain salary he wouldn't be there. They can't retain salary until 2021. I want him too but taking away the cap hit is enough.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jun 21 @ 5:47 PM ET
I think Kessel shouldn't cost that much! It's a salary dump so no grade A prospects! Habs will need cheap players to fill rest of roster. What we do have are defensemen. And again, don't look at cheap talented prospects, look at players who like Kessel have bad contracts. Emilin and Markov have LNTC btw.

Please no Scott Gomez type trade!

- andrest


Kessel is not a salary dump don't be ridiculous. The guy is an elite talent.
andrest
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jun 21 @ 8:02 PM ET
Kessel is not a salary dump don't be ridiculous. The guy is an elite talent.
- RogerRoeper

So was Joe Thornton. It hard to accept that although he's an elite talent he as a bad contract. I'd take his contract on but a bad contract has to go the other way. The Habs aren't stupid enough to ship a promising prospect for a one dimensional goal scorer. At least I hope not!
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jun 21 @ 8:06 PM ET
So was Joe Thornton. It hard to accept that although he's an elite talent he as a bad contract. I'd take his contract on but a bad contract has to go the other way. The Habs aren't stupid enough to ship a promising prospect for a one dimensional goal scorer. At least I hope not!
- andrest


Phil Kessel is worth 8 million. It's not a bad contract at all.' Do you think a guy who puts up his stats should make 5 million?

Thornton wasn't a salary dump. It's was a bad move Boston made.
andrest
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jun 21 @ 8:06 PM ET
Kessel is not a salary dump don't be ridiculous. The guy is an elite talent.
- RogerRoeper

Why do the Leafs want to trade him then? Because he's an elite talent? Cause they need to manage their cap! It's a salary dump and it's ok. That's what they have to do.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jun 21 @ 8:08 PM ET
Why do the Leafs want to trade him then? Because he's an elite talent? Cause they need to manage their cap! It's a salary dump and it's ok. That's what they have to do.
- andrest


That's not why at all. They're blowing up the team to rebuild. Are you not aware of this?

Phil Kessel is not being traded because of his contract.
andrest
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jun 21 @ 9:26 PM ET
That's not why at all. They're blowing up the team to rebuild. Are you not aware of this?

Phil Kessel is not being traded because of his contract.

- RogerRoeper

Look at last years top 40 goal scorers. BTW, Kessel was not in the top 40! Out of the 40, how many do you think make over 8M a year? 10 maybee and most of them are franchise players. Then add that his attitude and general physical condition are questionable. That for a guy that you pay 8m a year until the 2022-23 season who scored 25 goals last year! If they could buy him out and not have the hit on their cap they would have done so. My Toronto friends, it's a salary dump. The leafs need a clean slate to rebuild properly.
andrest
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jun 21 @ 9:36 PM ET
Phil Kessel is worth 8 million. It's not a bad contract at all.' Do you think a guy who puts up his stats should make 5 million?

Thornton wasn't a salary dump. It's was a bad move Boston made.

- RogerRoeper

Boston had the money to sign Chara and they won the cup!

Kessel has never scored 40 goals in a year! For that kind of money, you could have Benn and Pacioretty as Leafs! Not 25 goals but over 80!
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 22 @ 2:41 AM ET
Kessel is not a salary dump don't be ridiculous. The guy is an elite talent.
- RogerRoeper


Elite scorer with no other talent.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 22 @ 4:02 AM ET
Still think he will be going to Montreal. Goaltending and defense is set up nicely for a long time. Now it's time to work on the offense.

What better way to boost the offense then to add on of the nhls most offensive players in the past 5 years?

- QuickSCF


He certainly can put up the points.
Agree the rest of his game is offensive.
If the NHL invented a new trophy for best floater/scorer i cannot see anyone wrestling it away from Kessel. He's got it locked til he retires.
Best fit if doable is the Penguins or Nashville.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 22 @ 5:27 PM ET
Kessel would not fit in well in the Kings system. The Kings require gritty forwards that play a possession game and aren't afraid to play in the corners and on the boards, as well as come back and help out on defense. Kessel would be a 40-point player on the Kings. No thanks.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jun 22 @ 5:30 PM ET
Look at last years top 40 goal scorers. BTW, Kessel was not in the top 40! Out of the 40, how many do you think make over 8M a year? 10 maybee and most of them are franchise players. Then add that his attitude and general physical condition are questionable. That for a guy that you pay 8m a year until the 2022-23 season who scored 25 goals last year! If they could buy him out and not have the hit on their cap they would have done so. My Toronto friends, it's a salary dump. The leafs need a clean slate to rebuild properly.
- andrest


Everything is not about last year. He just spent 3 and a half years as a PPG player with Tyler Bozak as his centre. He's top 10 in overall points in the entire NHl the last 5 years.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jun 22 @ 5:31 PM ET
Kessel would not fit in well in the Kings system. The Kings require gritty forwards that play a possession game and aren't afraid to play in the corners and on the boards, as well as come back and help out on defense. Kessel would be a 40-point player on the Kings. No thanks.
- tkecanuck341


Yet Gaborik looked ok.

Kessel is too talented to turn into a 40 point player.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jun 22 @ 5:32 PM ET
Boston had the money to sign Chara and they won the cup!

Kessel has never scored 40 goals in a year! For that kind of money, you could have Benn and Pacioretty as Leafs! Not 25 goals but over 80!

- andrest


Chara signed his deal long before Kessel was traded. You're facts are way off.

It isn't only about goal scoring. Kessel gets a lot of assists.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 22 @ 7:14 PM ET
Yet Gaborik looked ok.

Kessel is too talented to turn into a 40 point player.

- RogerRoeper


Gaborik is not the same type of player as Kessel. Gaborik is exceptional at carrying the puck and creating opportunities, and as he has shown over the past season and a half, is willing to do the dirty work in the corners and along the boards. A lot of the points he gets are a result of that.

As many others have mentioned, Kessel is a roamer/floater type player. Those types of players do not do well in the Kings system. I'm not arguing that he is not a good player. He is. He is exceptional at getting open in high-percentage areas and putting the puck in the net. He's not so good at creating scoring chances from nothing. Unless he drastically changes his game, he won't succeed in Darryl Sutter's system.
Greene19
Montreal Canadiens
Location: NF
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 23 @ 8:23 PM ET
If someone offers Toronto a 12 inch Meatball Sub for Kessel they should take it. They would have to eat about 2 mil of salary as well. Done and Done!!
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