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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Draft Prospect Jakub Zboril, Cody Hodgson's Buyout?
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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 17 @ 8:15 PM ET
He is also 33. That doesn't sound like getting younger.
- manvanfan

28 goals 32 assists
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 17 @ 8:16 PM ET
Interesting find on the buyout detail for a younger player, it does ring a bell now that you mention it.

700K over 8 years isn't too bad I guess but I won't be surprised if Hodgson still ends up being an NHLer whether that is for Buf or another team.

I also think they could flip him for a small return to a team like the Coyotes who need to get to the cap floor somehow.

- belcherbd

He can't play for Buffalo if they buy him out.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 17 @ 8:16 PM ET
I hated that deal when it was made. Hated the 2nd for Linden Vey just as much. Connauton a 2nd and Roland Mckeown would look alot better than Linden Vey. We had a small skilled core and added to that by getting one of the smallest softest players in the league with both trades. Good job!
- mauryballstein


Connauton and that 2nd are recoverable. But to give it up for Derek Roy was needless.

Reading Connauton's scouting report:

Connauton's bread and butter is on the power play. Connauton uses his hard shot with great effectiveness. Of some concern is the fact that this total accounts for almost 70 percent of his overall production.

He is not an overly physical player but can still play the body when needed. His best assets are his ability to make plays from the blue line and his patience and poise while in possession of the puck. Connauton has a smooth stride and good foot speed.


Yeah, canucks don't need someone like that. Sounds like the anti-bieksa.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 17 @ 8:23 PM ET
I said something similar when he was first hired, got lambasted for it by a few.

Thus far he hasn't really improved the team, just got it back to where it was pre-Torts. Nearly all of that comes from the removal of Torts though IMO. I refrain from listening to his interviews and simply wait from his actions to materialize. No GM can be judged after only a year so I'll give him a pass until another couple years.

- AlexF


I don't mean to beat a dead horse but as I've said before, he's already made two significant mistakes in the Miller and Sbisa signings. That's two too many if you are going to be a successful GM. However, like yourself, I'm willing to give him some slack and see what he can do with a little more time. The thing is, there is so little room for error in this business and the difference between success and failure is very narrow. It will be interesting to see how he handles the goaltender situation, which seems to be at the top of the list in terms of immediacy. And of course there is the upcoming draft which will more properly allow for further assessment
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 17 @ 8:34 PM ET
You would actually trade him within the conference?
- mhp


For sure.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jun 17 @ 8:37 PM ET
If Hartnell gets bought out do you approach him with an offer or are you in full tank mode now?
- AlexF


Hes what we needed when we were winning pres trophys. I like his game and would be good to have on a young team. We just have so much salary to cut I dont see it happening but wouldnt hate it if it did.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jun 17 @ 8:39 PM ET
Connauton and that 2nd are recoverable. But to give it up for Derek Roy was needless.

Reading Connauton's scouting report:

Connauton's bread and butter is on the power play. Connauton uses his hard shot with great effectiveness. Of some concern is the fact that this total accounts for almost 70 percent of his overall production.

He is not an overly physical player but can still play the body when needed. His best assets are his ability to make plays from the blue line and his patience and poise while in possession of the puck. Connauton has a smooth stride and good foot speed.


Yeah, canucks don't need someone like that. Sounds like the anti-bieksa.

- bloatedmosquito

My point exactly if you were going to give up those assets get someone to play with the sedins or kesler. Or a tough center with 2 way game not Derek Roy, he was never going to put us over the top to win a cup.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 17 @ 8:50 PM ET
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but as I've said before, he's already made two significant mistakes in the Miller and Sbisa signings. That's two too many if you are going to be a successful GM. However, like yourself, I'm willing to give him some slack and see what he can do with a little more time. The thing is, there is so little room for error in this business and the difference between success and failure is very narrow. It will be interesting to see how he handles the goaltender situation, which seems to be at the top of the list in terms of immediacy. And of course there is the upcoming draft which will more properly allow for further assessment
- Zogg


=Talent Evaluator, all good points however we won't see results for awhile. People have praised MG for the Horvat deal, Cassels, Subban, etc. Little to early to throw him under the bus.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jun 17 @ 8:56 PM ET
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but as I've said before, he's already made two significant mistakes in the Miller and Sbisa signings. That's two too many if you are going to be a successful GM. However, like yourself, I'm willing to give him some slack and see what he can do with a little more time. The thing is, there is so little room for error in this business and the difference between success and failure is very narrow. It will be interesting to see how he handles the goaltender situation, which seems to be at the top of the list in terms of immediacy. And of course there is the upcoming draft which will more properly allow for further assessment
- Zogg


It's year one with Benning...let's give it some time.

Sbisa I'm kind of with you on but Miller can't get there as a real bad deal. We needed a no1 to get to the playoffs, doubtful that would have happened with Lack as the No 1 all year. Regardless of Miller's poorer numbers he did what he was brought here to do...get us back to the playoffs. So I can't get there on the Miller thing being a mistake.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 17 @ 8:56 PM ET
It was kind of hard to walk in a month before the draft and take over the Sh1t show Gillis left him. He made a few questionable signings to plug the damn, and I will wait this year to say I hate or love the trades or signings. He has put in a year of very hard work, and hard work usually pays off. Let's see how the team look like at the start of next year.

He came in with one team to trade Kesler too , so I suspect he signed Sbisa longer to make it look like he didn't get hosed. McCann with erase the hosing plus we got rid of a hosebag
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 17 @ 9:01 PM ET
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but as I've said before, he's already made two significant mistakes in the Miller and Sbisa signings. That's two too many if you are going to be a successful GM. However, like yourself, I'm willing to give him some slack and see what he can do with a little more time. The thing is, there is so little room for error in this business and the difference between success and failure is very narrow. It will be interesting to see how he handles the goaltender situation, which seems to be at the top of the list in terms of immediacy. And of course there is the upcoming draft which will more properly allow for further assessment
- Zogg


Don't get me wrong, if there is/was a better option at GM available I'd take it immediately rather than give Benning the time, but I know that won't happen. I wasn't a huge fan of his appointment originally but I will admit he was arguably the best option out there at the time. Hopefully he's the right GM for this organization at this time.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 17 @ 9:05 PM ET
Don't get me wrong, if there is/was a better option at GM available I'd take it immediately rather than give Benning the time, but I know that won't happen. I wasn't a huge fan of his appointment originally but I will admit he was arguably the best option out there at the time. Hopefully he's the right GM for this organization at this time.
- AlexF

Vantel and I could gm/assist gm the team if you'd prefer
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jun 17 @ 9:11 PM ET
I get the feeling Virtanen can make the jump this year. Most of the others he mentioned I'm on the fence about and some of them I don't think will have consistent NHL careers.
- AlexF


It sounds like they are willing to break him in as a 4rth line energy checking role.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 17 @ 9:12 PM ET
It sounds like they are willing to break him in as a 4rth line energy checking role.
- boonerbuck

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jun 17 @ 9:15 PM ET
I realize you said a combination of those guys would net picks, but just in terms of each player on his own, here's how I value some of our players on the trade market:

Lack - 2nd
Markstrom - 4th
Bieksa - 2nd (possibly a late 1st if some team likes his interview skills)
Higgins - 3rd or 4th
Hansen - late 2nd or 3rd
Vey - maybe a 2nd, definitely a 3rd
Burrows - maybe a 5th or 6th but more likely a salary dump if anything

1sts in this draft will be at a premium so it's highly unlikely even clumping a few of these guys together will garner a 1st.

- AlexF


I agree that we don't have what it takes or can't afford to move it if we do.

I think Markstrom is worth more than a 4rth on any market any time.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 17 @ 9:22 PM ET
=Talent Evaluator, all good points however we won't see results for awhile. People have praised MG for the Horvat deal, Cassels, Subban, etc. Little to early to throw him under the bus.
- VanHockeyGuy

Canuck fans throw people under buses all day, it's what sports radio is built on in this town.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 17 @ 9:31 PM ET
It was kind of hard to walk in a month before the draft and take over the Sh1t show Gillis left him. He made a few questionable signings to plug the damn, and I will wait this year to say I hate or love the trades or signings. He has put in a year of very hard work, and hard work usually pays off. Let's see how the team look like at the start of next year.

He came in with one team to trade Kesler too , so I suspect he signed Sbisa longer to make it look like he didn't get hosed. McCann with erase the hosing plus we got rid of a hosebag

- VANTEL


You know what! We are ALL on the same page. We just need to convince JB & TL. Definition of insanity...
Feck!
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 17 @ 10:11 PM ET
Canuck fans throw people under buses all day, it's what sports radio is built on in this town.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Ain't that the truth.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 17 @ 11:06 PM ET
I think NUcker has gone full Flamer.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 17 @ 11:09 PM ET
I think NUcker has gone full Flamer.
- thundachunk

He has. Next stop Toronto
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 17 @ 11:14 PM ET
I think NUcker has gone full Flamer.
- thundachunk

Good - turncoat (frank)in kid was never a fan if he can just switch teams mid-stride like that....(frank) him!!!

Grumpy13
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 01.09.2014

Jun 17 @ 11:18 PM ET
I think NUcker has gone full Flamer.
- thundachunk

VANTEL is much better.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 17 @ 11:28 PM ET
Not a fan of the Kevin Connauton + 2013 2nd round pick for Derek Roy

That 2nd was Philippe Desrosiers. Oceanic goalie. Good pick.

- bloatedmosquito


Yeah, he made a lot of bad trades (especially in hindsight), but it was the ego getting in the way with the #9 swap, not filling a player need.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 17 @ 11:29 PM ET
Good - turncoat (frank)in kid was never a fan if he can just switch teams mid-stride like that....(frank) him!!!


- LeftCoaster


Bandwagon, fits right in in the lower mainland.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 17 @ 11:33 PM ET
Bandwagon, fits right in in the lower mainland.
- 1970vintage


When they are expected to win, they are a hot ticket.

People want to be seen there when they are winning.

Just making the playoffs and out the first round gets old quick.
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