If I'm picking one to go on the ice with a lead in the third it's not dion ...plus elder has a better contract
- Redmile247

Edler is prone to brutal giveaways, so I don't see much difference except for the contract.

How would you apply these rankings to our present defence?
- hillbillydeluxe

(a) physical stay-at-home guy - Sbisa, Bieksa
(b) guys who play an all-around game - Hamhuis, Tanev
(c) transitional puck movers - Weber, Edler
(d) high-end skaters - N/A
- VanHockeyGuy

Bonino stays cause of his cap hit, can't get much better value.
- moondawg

He's not going to get any better. The time is now to move him. his value is only due to his salary cap hit and that only lasts two more years..... i'd prefer to move a guy at the height of his value

(a) physical stay-at-home guy - Sbisa, Bieksa
(b) guys who play an all-around game - Hamhuis, Tanev
(c) transitional puck movers - Weber, Edler
(d) high-end skaters - N/A
- VanHockeyGuy
- VanHockeyGuy

I wish (a) included the ability to clear the front of the net.

They are both big, hard shot, soft on boards, and pylons on defense.
- Grumpy13

Edler @ 5M>Phaneuf @ 7M

Cap hits better, less "dbag risk" of making stupid plays as well.

I wish (a) included the ability to clear the front of the net.
- hillbillydeluxe

We need some D pairings that can handle the opponent's forecheck and push back. CGY's forecheck pounded our blueliners into oblivion for pretty much the entire series. And they're not even that physical.

He's not going to get any better. The time is now to move him. his value is only due to his salary cap hit and that only lasts two more years..... i'd prefer to move a guy at the height of his value
- Mungo

You keep Bonino for pk, 2nd pp, and 3rd line centre duties. However the time works.

And just try to set Bo up with whoever works with his style and see where it goes. Bonino is there as the safety net if you have to change up the minutes- too big a load for Bo.

Edmonton was too quick to hand Draisitl 2nd line c, or expect him to slot in because he was a top 5 pick. Keep Bonino for awhile until tdl or you are sure Bo has it all covered. Still not sure who we would slot in as 3rd or 4th line c beyond Vey?

Edler for Mantha and Dekeyser
or
Edler for 1st rd pick and Dekeyser

We need some D pairings that can handle the opponent's forecheck and push back. CGY's forecheck pounded our blueliners into oblivion for pretty much the entire series. And they're not even that physical.
- AlexF

Bieksa and Sbisa looking at each other with the. aren't you going to do something? look.

can someone do a lotr gif with Sbisa as Frodo and Bieksa as Sam?

Edler for Mantha and Dekeyser
or
Edler for 1st rd pick and Dekeyser
- moondawg

I think Mantha is on their untouchable list but the 2nd proposal might fly.

I think Mantha is on their untouchable list but the 2nd proposal might fly.
- AlexF

Don't know if Damien Cox is blowing smoke out his butt...

Damien Cox
‏@DamoSpin
At deadline, DET unwilling to move either first round pick or prospect Anthony Mantha. Now willing to deal either or both.

Don't know if Damien Cox is blowing smoke out his butt...

Damien Cox
‏@DamoSpin
At deadline, DET unwilling to move either first round pick or prospect Anthony Mantha. Now willing to deal either or both.
- moondawg

Must have had a spin on the Eklund rumor wheel!

Don't know if Damien Cox is blowing smoke out his butt...

Damien Cox
‏@DamoSpin
At deadline, DET unwilling to move either first round pick or prospect Anthony Mantha. Now willing to deal either or both.
- moondawg

I think this is one of those "everyone has a price" speculations that so many pundits throw out. It's a vague statement and makes no mention as to the player(s) DET would consider dealing that pick or Mantha for.

Of course there are certain players that DET would include those 2 assets (and much more) to get. That would always have been the case. They just didn't get good value propositions at the deadline.

I think Mantha is on their untouchable list but the 2nd proposal might fly.
- AlexF

I think Edler to Det is no longer that relevant, they need RH D badly, they currently have none.

I could see Ott being interested as he and Karlsson have a bit of chemistry internationally.

I could see them offering a package of Wiercioch/Cowan, Smith and a 2nd, would that be enough?

I doubt Edler is dangled though as mgmt have been pretty clear the value him highly.

I think this is one of those "everyone has a price" speculations that so many pundits throw out. It's a vague statement and makes no mention as to the player(s) DET would consider dealing that pick or Mantha for. Of course there are certain players that DET would include those 2 assets (and much more) to get.
- AlexF

Helps that Dylan Larkin looks good early.

They do love their Swedish Dmen.

I think Edler to Det is no longer that relevant, they need RH D badly, they currently have none.

I could see Ott being interested as he and Karlsson have a bit of chemistry internationally.

I could see them offering a package of Wiercioch/Cowan, Smith and a 2nd, would that be enough?

I doubt Edler is dangled though as mgmt have been pretty clear the value him highly.
- belcherbd

I'm dreaming...I just like Deykeyser and Maantha

We need some D pairings that can handle the opponent's forecheck and push back. CGY's forecheck pounded our blueliners into oblivion for pretty much the entire series. And they're not even that physical.
- AlexF

I agree but pushing back has nothing to do with handling the opponent's fore check.
To handle that fore check you need to be able to skate under pressure with the puck and make good decisions with the puck unfortunately both Sbisa/Bieksa are incapable of doing that with any constancy.

Edler is usually okay in a breakout or under pressure, his turnovers usually occur in the neutral zone and entering the oppositions end.

Tanev and Hamhuis are the best at handling that pressure.

I think Edler to Det is no longer that relevant, they need RH D badly, they currently have none.

I could see Ott being interested as he and Karlsson have a bit of chemistry internationally.

I could see them offering a package of Wiercioch/Cowan, Smith and a 2nd, would that be enough?

I doubt Edler is dangled though as mgmt have been pretty clear the value him highly.
- belcherbd

If we're trading Edler to OTT, I'm asking for Zibanejad in return straight up.

For all the mock drafts by the tsn guys, pronman, Damien cox and all the rest I wonder how many are actually correct on picks and who is the best at it.

If we're trading Edler to OTT, I'm asking for Zibanejad in return straight up.
- AlexF

Ott is a budget team. Would have to take a chunk of salary back. Cowen, greening, and a 1st or a prospect for edler.

If we're trading Edler to OTT, I'm asking for Zibanejad in return straight up.
- AlexF

Sure but it won't happen realistically, they are a young team and won't be moving their current 22 year old 2C.

I'm not saying the package I presented is what I would want, but it is likely what they would be presenting. Perhaps you swap 1st's as well to move up 5 spots.

For all the mock drafts by the tsn guys, pronman, Damien cox and all the rest I wonder how many are actually correct on picks and who is the best at it.
- manvanfan

Mackenzie is usually the closest to the truth as he talks to a number of team scouts for his projections, as well as the scouting agency's. Obviously there are always changes but his reflect the league more closely than other lists that are the author's opinion.

Even Pronman, who doesn't do a lot of scouting himself but talks to many scouts inserts his own opinions based on those discussions.

I believe Bob takes the rankings he collects and sorts them without his own personal opinions but based solely on the average.

Sure but it won't happen realistically, they are a young team and won't be moving their current 22 year old 2C.

I'm not saying the package I presented is what I would want, but it is likely what they would be presenting. Perhaps you swap 1st's as well to move up 5 spots.
- belcherbd

As frustrated as I get with Edler at times, getting back some combination of Greening or Cowan and moving up 5 draft spots presents no value whatsoever to this organization now or in the future.

We can absolutely get better offers.

Here's the new blog, with Matt Cooke on waivers.

Will Eddie Lack ride Cam Talbot's coattails to a trade?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...re-from-Benning/194/69374

As frustrated as I get with Edler at times, getting back some combination of Greening or Cowan and moving up 5 draft spots presents no value whatsoever to this organization now or in the future.

We can absolutely get better offers.
- AlexF

Edler is hugely undervalued by Canucks fans. Everyone expected him to be a number 1 guy, but just because he didn't make it up to that level doesn't make him a horrible player. He's by far our best D and it's not even close IMO.