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hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 19 @ 1:21 PM ET
I would agree with this, I'd rather trade Markstrom for a 3rd than get anything less than a 2nd for Lack.
- LeftCoaster


Trade them both and sign a cheap ufa backup. JB wants a 2nd and 3rd rounder.
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Jun 19 @ 1:22 PM ET
B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof
Per NHL source, CHI currently asking for 1st rd pick, A-level prospect & top 6 forward on entry-level contract for Patrick Sharp


Guess CHI doesn't feel like trading Sharp then.

- AlexF



For a 20 goal scorer making north of 5m that's rediculous, I hope someone offer sheets saad and makes them suffer
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Jun 19 @ 1:29 PM ET
Wow, reading some of these posts makes me wonder if we switched teams and are now cheering for the Leafs?
Lets analyze some of the moves that Benning made.
1.Miller signing 3-6/yr
JB came in cold to the WC. He had no idea about the goalie depth in Van. We had traded our number 1 and future number 1 and had decided to go with a backup. Although Lack played well it was a fire drill on most nights. If anyone with a little common sense watched the games from late last year and early when Lou was in net would notice it clearly. I am sure JB watched some of the game videos as well to get a feel of what he will be working with.
If you pay attention you will see that the defense does not trust Lack. Look at when the puck goes behind the goal, if Lack is in net a d goes in, always rushing to get to him and they almost always collide. Then look at when Lu is in the same situation and even Miller. the d is always along the boards for the outlet pass. They trust that if there is no pass then the goalie will just freeze the puck but with Lack he will try and force that pass resulting in a giveaway.
Then you add on the fact that players during their exit interview said they wanted to have a veteran goalie.
The amount is reasonable to pay for a proven goalie that won Vezina, and has been playing at a high level for a while.
I don't think JB realized that Markstrom would amount to much hence using a high pick for Demko. 3 years for Miller to groom Lack and then Lack for 2 years to help Demko take over IMO was the plan. We will wait and see how this develops now.
2. The trade for Kesler. He was handcuffed and did his best to replace the goals lost in the trade. JB prolly also looked at our D core and realized we needed younger D and hence Sbisa.
3. Trade for Vey. This trade happened at tdl when there was no clear cut 3rd line center and we needed to fill that position. Especially since we lost Kesler we had no depth. Nobody expected Bo to make the team. Bo making the team made Vey expendable and if JB had a do over IMO he would have used that second for some D depth.
4. Dorsett was a required piece. JB realized the benefits a player like Dorsett brings and traded for him. His contract maybe a tad overpayment but he is a necessity if we are trying to get younger. We love someone like Dorsett that can play hockey and protect players when required if we are going to infuse our team with youth. Everyone here was all over Gillis when he did not resign Torres. We said we lost our toughness factor yet Torres had half the skills that Dorsett has and we are upset that he is resigned. Keep in mind Dorsett signed for 2.65 cap where as Torres left an FA and signed for 3mill.
5. Sbisa contract. This was also necessary. I have broken down the numbers previous and wont go into detail on how this is fair value and infact a cheaper option, but I will say this Calgary paid Engelland 2.9 cap and he has similar numbers to Sbisa, Washinton paid Niskanen 5.75 and Orpik 5.5 for similar numbers. What these players bring is not points but the toughness factor. Have the big body presence in the back. We need these kind players to have any success in the WC. Looking in our pipeline we don't have anybody with that skill set within 4 years of making the jump. That is why the big Russian was drafted. The trade for Pedan also happened to speed up the process of getting some help in the D core.
6. Higgins was not traded because realistically who do we have that could have taken his spot? Jensen? He cant even hold his spot in Utica. Shink was nowhere close, beyond that we had no one that the why Sven was traded for. To have some flexibility.
JB has done more for this team in 1 year then Gillis and Nonis did combined in their entire regime. I think JB is a quick learner and does not waste time. He sees the holes and addresses them. If there is an overflow he utilizes that as an asset to cover holes. I can see lack traded for D help or a prospect with high upside to fill the top 6 role. If traded for a pick, I wont be surprised if that pick is moved in a package for a player like Druin. High upside just stuck behind in the depth chart.
My biggest issue is with Nucks supporters. We are a bunch of bandwagonors with little to no game knowledge and have never played the game or any sports at high level. The media loves to stir poop and the crowds eats it like it is candy on Christmas morning.
Some of us are saying that if we get low value for Lack then trade Markstom. If the value for Lack is low then Markstrom will be even lower. Lack has 1 more season at a very cap friendly number and is proven that he can share a workload. Makrstom has clearly stated that he want to play in NHL and is an RFA. His NHL experience has been laughable. Yeah he did great things in AHL but so had Dipietro. It does not always translate to success at top flight.
Well that is the end of my rant. Hopefully I wont get roasted for long before Carol posts another blog.


VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 19 @ 1:33 PM ET
Wow, reading some of these posts makes me wonder if we switched teams and are now cheering for the Leafs?
Lets analyze some of the moves that Benning made.
1.Miller signing 3-6/yr
JB came in cold to the WC. He had no idea about the goalie depth in Van. We had traded our number 1 and future number 1 and had decided to go with a backup. Although Lack played well it was a fire drill on most nights. If anyone with a little common sense watched the games from late last year and early when Lou was in net would notice it clearly. I am sure JB watched some of the game videos as well to get a feel of what he will be working with.
If you pay attention you will see that the defense does not trust Lack. Look at when the puck goes behind the goal, if Lack is in net a d goes in, always rushing to get to him and they almost always collide. Then look at when Lu is in the same situation and even Miller. the d is always along the boards for the outlet pass. They trust that if there is no pass then the goalie will just freeze the puck but with Lack he will try and force that pass resulting in a giveaway.
Then you add on the fact that players during their exit interview said they wanted to have a veteran goalie.
The amount is reasonable to pay for a proven goalie that won Vezina, and has been playing at a high level for a while.
I don't think JB realized that Markstrom would amount to much hence using a high pick for Demko. 3 years for Miller to groom Lack and then Lack for 2 years to help Demko take over IMO was the plan. We will wait and see how this develops now.
2. The trade for Kesler. He was handcuffed and did his best to replace the goals lost in the trade. JB prolly also looked at our D core and realized we needed younger D and hence Sbisa.
3. Trade for Vey. This trade happened at tdl when there was no clear cut 3rd line center and we needed to fill that position. Especially since we lost Kesler we had no depth. Nobody expected Bo to make the team. Bo making the team made Vey expendable and if JB had a do over IMO he would have used that second for some D depth.
4. Dorsett was a required piece. JB realized the benefits a player like Dorsett brings and traded for him. His contract maybe a tad overpayment but he is a necessity if we are trying to get younger. We love someone like Dorsett that can play hockey and protect players when required if we are going to infuse our team with youth. Everyone here was all over Gillis when he did not resign Torres. We said we lost our toughness factor yet Torres had half the skills that Dorsett has and we are upset that he is resigned. Keep in mind Dorsett signed for 2.65 cap where as Torres left an FA and signed for 3mill.
5. Sbisa contract. This was also necessary. I have broken down the numbers previous and wont go into detail on how this is fair value and infact a cheaper option, but I will say this Calgary paid Engelland 2.9 cap and he has similar numbers to Sbisa, Washinton paid Niskanen 5.75 and Orpik 5.5 for similar numbers. What these players bring is not points but the toughness factor. Have the big body presence in the back. We need these kind players to have any success in the WC. Looking in our pipeline we don't have anybody with that skill set within 4 years of making the jump. That is why the big Russian was drafted. The trade for Pedan also happened to speed up the process of getting some help in the D core.
6. Higgins was not traded because realistically who do we have that could have taken his spot? Jensen? He cant even hold his spot in Utica. Shink was nowhere close, beyond that we had no one that the why Sven was traded for. To have some flexibility.
JB has done more for this team in 1 year then Gillis and Nonis did combined in their entire regime. I think JB is a quick learner and does not waste time. He sees the holes and addresses them. If there is an overflow he utilizes that as an asset to cover holes. I can see lack traded for D help or a prospect with high upside to fill the top 6 role. If traded for a pick, I wont be surprised if that pick is moved in a package for a player like Druin. High upside just stuck behind in the depth chart.
My biggest issue is with Nucks supporters. We are a bunch of bandwagonors with little to no game knowledge and have never played the game or any sports at high level. The media loves to stir poop and the crowds eats it like it is candy on Christmas morning.
Some of us are saying that if we get low value for Lack then trade Markstom. If the value for Lack is low then Markstrom will be even lower. Lack has 1 more season at a very cap friendly number and is proven that he can share a workload. Makrstom has clearly stated that he want to play in NHL and is an RFA. His NHL experience has been laughable. Yeah he did great things in AHL but so had Dipietro. It does not always translate to success at top flight.
Well that is the end of my rant. Hopefully I wont get roasted for long before Carol posts another blog.

- Linden_4_Capt


If that's the case, hang onto them.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 19 @ 1:36 PM ET
For a 20 goal scorer making north of 5m that's rediculous, I hope someone offer sheets saad and makes them suffer
- I-own_da-Northwest


Saad has already come and out and said he doesn't want to play anywhere else. He's not signing offer sheets, unless Bowman lowballs the heck out of him.
Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Jun 19 @ 1:38 PM ET
Wow, reading some of these posts makes me wonder if we switched teams and are now cheering for the Leafs?
Lets analyze some of the moves that Benning made.
1.Miller signing 3-6/yr
JB came in cold to the WC. He had no idea about the goalie depth in Van. We had traded our number 1 and future number 1 and had decided to go with a backup. Although Lack played well it was a fire drill on most nights. If anyone with a little common sense watched the games from late last year and early when Lou was in net would notice it clearly. I am sure JB watched some of the game videos as well to get a feel of what he will be working with.
If you pay attention you will see that the defense does not trust Lack. Look at when the puck goes behind the goal, if Lack is in net a d goes in, always rushing to get to him and they almost always collide. Then look at when Lu is in the same situation and even Miller. the d is always along the boards for the outlet pass. They trust that if there is no pass then the goalie will just freeze the puck but with Lack he will try and force that pass resulting in a giveaway.
Then you add on the fact that players during their exit interview said they wanted to have a veteran goalie.
The amount is reasonable to pay for a proven goalie that won Vezina, and has been playing at a high level for a while.
I don't think JB realized that Markstrom would amount to much hence using a high pick for Demko. 3 years for Miller to groom Lack and then Lack for 2 years to help Demko take over IMO was the plan. We will wait and see how this develops now.
2. The trade for Kesler. He was handcuffed and did his best to replace the goals lost in the trade. JB prolly also looked at our D core and realized we needed younger D and hence Sbisa.
3. Trade for Vey. This trade happened at tdl when there was no clear cut 3rd line center and we needed to fill that position. Especially since we lost Kesler we had no depth. Nobody expected Bo to make the team. Bo making the team made Vey expendable and if JB had a do over IMO he would have used that second for some D depth.
4. Dorsett was a required piece. JB realized the benefits a player like Dorsett brings and traded for him. His contract maybe a tad overpayment but he is a necessity if we are trying to get younger. We love someone like Dorsett that can play hockey and protect players when required if we are going to infuse our team with youth. Everyone here was all over Gillis when he did not resign Torres. We said we lost our toughness factor yet Torres had half the skills that Dorsett has and we are upset that he is resigned. Keep in mind Dorsett signed for 2.65 cap where as Torres left an FA and signed for 3mill.
5. Sbisa contract. This was also necessary. I have broken down the numbers previous and wont go into detail on how this is fair value and infact a cheaper option, but I will say this Calgary paid Engelland 2.9 cap and he has similar numbers to Sbisa, Washinton paid Niskanen 5.75 and Orpik 5.5 for similar numbers. What these players bring is not points but the toughness factor. Have the big body presence in the back. We need these kind players to have any success in the WC. Looking in our pipeline we don't have anybody with that skill set within 4 years of making the jump. That is why the big Russian was drafted. The trade for Pedan also happened to speed up the process of getting some help in the D core.
6. Higgins was not traded because realistically who do we have that could have taken his spot? Jensen? He cant even hold his spot in Utica. Shink was nowhere close, beyond that we had no one that the why Sven was traded for. To have some flexibility.
JB has done more for this team in 1 year then Gillis and Nonis did combined in their entire regime. I think JB is a quick learner and does not waste time. He sees the holes and addresses them. If there is an overflow he utilizes that as an asset to cover holes. I can see lack traded for D help or a prospect with high upside to fill the top 6 role. If traded for a pick, I wont be surprised if that pick is moved in a package for a player like Druin. High upside just stuck behind in the depth chart.
My biggest issue is with Nucks supporters. We are a bunch of bandwagonors with little to no game knowledge and have never played the game or any sports at high level. The media loves to stir poop and the crowds eats it like it is candy on Christmas morning.
Some of us are saying that if we get low value for Lack then trade Markstom. If the value for Lack is low then Markstrom will be even lower. Lack has 1 more season at a very cap friendly number and is proven that he can share a workload. Makrstom has clearly stated that he want to play in NHL and is an RFA. His NHL experience has been laughable. Yeah he did great things in AHL but so had Dipietro. It does not always translate to success at top flight.
Well that is the end of my rant. Hopefully I wont get roasted for long before Carol posts another blog.

- Linden_4_Capt



Good post! I don't mind any of Bennings other than maybe the Sbisa signing. he had no bargaining power and he got a bit of a sweetheart deal IMO.

Benning was brought in because he's got a keen eye for drafting.... he's had one crack at it and in my opinion had one of the better drafts the Canucks have had in years. Fans have been female dogging about our drafting for years.... we finally get a GM who's good at drafts and we b!tch.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 1:47 PM ET
Good post! I don't mind any of Bennings other than maybe the Sbisa signing. he had no bargaining power and he got a bit of a sweetheart deal IMO.

Benning was brought in because he's got a keen eye for drafting.... he's had one crack at it and in my opinion had one of the better drafts the Canucks have had in years. Fans have been female dogging about our drafting for years.... we finally get a GM who's good at drafts and we b!tch.

- Mungo


I agree his draft last year will likely have 3 NHLer's in it (Jake, McCann, Demko) and I'm looking forward to see what he can get this year as he has been lauded as a draft Guru.

That said the draft before looks just as good if not better.
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Jun 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
Saad has already come and out and said he doesn't want to play anywhere else. He's not signing offer sheets, unless Bowman lowballs the heck out of him.
- AlexF

That's unfortunate. However, they have about 7 million in cap space to sign 10 players. So somethings got to give, because I don't see them offering the 4-6 somebody might offer sheet Saad. I see them offering 2-3 simply because they can't afford more than that if they keep Kane, Toews, Crawford, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
I agree his draft last year will likely have 3 NHLer's in it (Jake, McCann, Demko) and I'm looking forward to see what he can get this year as he has been lauded as a draft Guru.

That said the draft before looks just as good if not better.

- belcherbd


1 pick in 90 is the bad part, sure something will give though. Maybe Bieksa goes first?
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 1:55 PM ET
That's unfortunate. However, they have about 7 million in cap space to sign 10 players. So somethings got to give, because I don't see them offering the 4-6 somebody might offer sheet Saad. I see them offering 2-3 simply because they can't afford more than that if they keep Kane, Toews, Crawford, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook.
- I-own_da-Northwest


They will move Sharp even if it's at a discount and there has been rumblings that they might move Crawford if the return is decent. I have no doubt that they will resign both Saad this year and Seabrooke next.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 1:55 PM ET
1 pick in 90 is the bad part, sure something will give though. Maybe Bieksa goes first?
- VanHockeyGuy


I expect Benning will get a couple of 3rds and possibly a 2nd.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 19 @ 1:58 PM ET
Wow, reading some of these posts makes me wonder if we switched teams and are now cheering for the Leafs?
Lets analyze some of the moves that Benning made.
1.Miller signing 3-6/yr
JB came in cold to the WC. He had no idea about the goalie depth in Van. We had traded our number 1 and future number 1 and had decided to go with a backup. Although Lack played well it was a fire drill on most nights. If anyone with a little common sense watched the games from late last year and early when Lou was in net would notice it clearly. I am sure JB watched some of the game videos as well to get a feel of what he will be working with.
If you pay attention you will see that the defense does not trust Lack. Look at when the puck goes behind the goal, if Lack is in net a d goes in, always rushing to get to him and they almost always collide. Then look at when Lu is in the same situation and even Miller. the d is always along the boards for the outlet pass. They trust that if there is no pass then the goalie will just freeze the puck but with Lack he will try and force that pass resulting in a giveaway.
Then you add on the fact that players during their exit interview said they wanted to have a veteran goalie.
The amount is reasonable to pay for a proven goalie that won Vezina, and has been playing at a high level for a while.
I don't think JB realized that Markstrom would amount to much hence using a high pick for Demko. 3 years for Miller to groom Lack and then Lack for 2 years to help Demko take over IMO was the plan. We will wait and see how this develops now.
2. The trade for Kesler. He was handcuffed and did his best to replace the goals lost in the trade. JB prolly also looked at our D core and realized we needed younger D and hence Sbisa.
3. Trade for Vey. This trade happened at tdl when there was no clear cut 3rd line center and we needed to fill that position. Especially since we lost Kesler we had no depth. Nobody expected Bo to make the team. Bo making the team made Vey expendable and if JB had a do over IMO he would have used that second for some D depth.
4. Dorsett was a required piece. JB realized the benefits a player like Dorsett brings and traded for him. His contract maybe a tad overpayment but he is a necessity if we are trying to get younger. We love someone like Dorsett that can play hockey and protect players when required if we are going to infuse our team with youth. Everyone here was all over Gillis when he did not resign Torres. We said we lost our toughness factor yet Torres had half the skills that Dorsett has and we are upset that he is resigned. Keep in mind Dorsett signed for 2.65 cap where as Torres left an FA and signed for 3mill.
5. Sbisa contract. This was also necessary. I have broken down the numbers previous and wont go into detail on how this is fair value and infact a cheaper option, but I will say this Calgary paid Engelland 2.9 cap and he has similar numbers to Sbisa, Washinton paid Niskanen 5.75 and Orpik 5.5 for similar numbers. What these players bring is not points but the toughness factor. Have the big body presence in the back. We need these kind players to have any success in the WC. Looking in our pipeline we don't have anybody with that skill set within 4 years of making the jump. That is why the big Russian was drafted. The trade for Pedan also happened to speed up the process of getting some help in the D core.
6. Higgins was not traded because realistically who do we have that could have taken his spot? Jensen? He cant even hold his spot in Utica. Shink was nowhere close, beyond that we had no one that the why Sven was traded for. To have some flexibility.
JB has done more for this team in 1 year then Gillis and Nonis did combined in their entire regime. I think JB is a quick learner and does not waste time. He sees the holes and addresses them. If there is an overflow he utilizes that as an asset to cover holes. I can see lack traded for D help or a prospect with high upside to fill the top 6 role. If traded for a pick, I wont be surprised if that pick is moved in a package for a player like Druin. High upside just stuck behind in the depth chart.
My biggest issue is with Nucks supporters. We are a bunch of bandwagonors with little to no game knowledge and have never played the game or any sports at high level. The media loves to stir poop and the crowds eats it like it is candy on Christmas morning.
Some of us are saying that if we get low value for Lack then trade Markstom. If the value for Lack is low then Markstrom will be even lower. Lack has 1 more season at a very cap friendly number and is proven that he can share a workload. Makrstom has clearly stated that he want to play in NHL and is an RFA. His NHL experience has been laughable. Yeah he did great things in AHL but so had Dipietro. It does not always translate to success at top flight.
Well that is the end of my rant. Hopefully I wont get roasted for long before Carol posts another blog.

- Linden_4_Capt

Thank you!!!!!!
The pissing & moaning is becoming embarrassing.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jun 19 @ 2:02 PM ET
Thank you!!!!!!
The pissing & moaning is becoming embarrassing.

- Marwood


I don't find it any more embarrassing than what goes on with other fan bases, but it makes for a brutal read.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:05 PM ET
I expect Benning will get a couple of 3rds and possibly a 2nd.
- belcherbd


There are teams that need a goalie, Benning is under no pressure to trade either of them by the draft. The worst thing he could do is sell low. OTT & NY aren't giving anything away.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 19 @ 2:05 PM ET
I don't find it any more embarrassing than what goes on with other fan bases, but it makes for a brutal read.
- CubanBuffet


Too much of the, wouldn't it be wonderful if this happened or ideally it would be like this and anything less is a total feck up.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 19 @ 2:06 PM ET
I expect Benning will get a couple of 3rds and possibly a 2nd.
- belcherbd


I'm not disagreeing with the fact that what we have available for trade will only yield that kind of return, but I really don't think a couple 3rds help us in any meaningful way. Even for good drafting teams, the odds of drafting a regular NHLer falls dramatically with each successive round. Benning's got to aim higher than that or this rebuild on the fly will take an eon to complete.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 19 @ 2:11 PM ET
There are teams that need a goalie, Benning is under no pressure to trade either of them by the draft. The worst thing he could do is sell low. OTT & NY aren't giving anything away.
- VanHockeyGuy


Dreger or another talking head identified 6 teams that were interested in Talbot. Their need doesn't necessarily go away when another team signs Talbot.

But I agree, if there isn't a good proposal now, I don't see a need to rush to accept a bad deal. Lack isn't chopped liver and Markstrom has some value this season- even as a backup in Vancouver.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 19 @ 2:13 PM ET
I don't find it any more embarrassing than what goes on with other fan bases, but it makes for a brutal read.
- CubanBuffet

There's certian peoples posts I just pass over. They beat the same horse over & over again. A year of huge change and it's still not enough for some. Everyday, Lefty has to preach patience.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jun 19 @ 2:21 PM ET
There's certian peoples posts I just pass over. They beat the same horse over & over again. A year of huge change and it's still not enough for some. Everyday, Lefty has to preach patience.
- Marwood


I agree. It's too bad that a poor showing in the playoffs can completely overshadow what was a really impressive and entertaining season.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jun 19 @ 2:22 PM ET
There's certian peoples posts I just pass over. They beat the same horse over & over again. A year of huge change and it's still not enough for some. Everyday, Lefty has to preach patience.
- Marwood


Everyone believes everything happens in a vacuum, that certain deals and trades don't happen because other dominoes fall elsewhere out of the control of JB/TL. People never hear about the trades that DIDN'T happen because X happened elsewhere that changed someone's mind. Unless you're a GM or a part of the management team that's there 24/7, you'll never know what really goes on behind the closed doors that might have influenced things.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 19 @ 2:23 PM ET
There's certian peoples posts I just pass over. They beat the same horse over & over again. A year of huge change and it's still not enough for some. Everyday, Lefty has to preach patience.
- Marwood


The ironic thing about preaching patience at this time of year is that the draft is only a week away with free agency following a few days later. You'd think people would park the b!tiching just for a little while to see what materializes in the next little while....
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:24 PM ET
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that what we have available for trade will only yield that kind of return, but I really don't think a couple 3rds help us in any meaningful way. Even for good drafting teams, the odds of drafting a regular NHLer falls dramatically with each successive round. Benning's got to aim higher than that or this rebuild on the fly will take an eon to complete.
- AlexF



Maybe I'm taking too much of a conservative approach but I prefer to be pleasantly surprised than overly optimistic and disappointed. I went into this season with low exceptions for the first time in years and was rewarded with a very entertaining season.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
That's right, if you only get a 3rd or less for Lack, simply take him off the market. Done.
- VanHockeyGuy


If you can get a 3rd for Lack or a 5th for Markstrom, I'd still trade Lack.
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jun 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
Wow, reading some of these posts makes me wonder if we switched teams and are now cheering for the Leafs?
Lets analyze some of the moves that Benning made.
1.Miller signing 3-6/yr
JB came in cold to the WC. He had no idea about the goalie depth in Van. We had traded our number 1 and future number 1 and had decided to go with a backup. Although Lack played well it was a fire drill on most nights. If anyone with a little common sense watched the games from late last year and early when Lou was in net would notice it clearly. I am sure JB watched some of the game videos as well to get a feel of what he will be working with.
If you pay attention you will see that the defense does not trust Lack. Look at when the puck goes behind the goal, if Lack is in net a d goes in, always rushing to get to him and they almost always collide. Then look at when Lu is in the same situation and even Miller. the d is always along the boards for the outlet pass. They trust that if there is no pass then the goalie will just freeze the puck but with Lack he will try and force that pass resulting in a giveaway.
Then you add on the fact that players during their exit interview said they wanted to have a veteran goalie.
The amount is reasonable to pay for a proven goalie that won Vezina, and has been playing at a high level for a while.
I don't think JB realized that Markstrom would amount to much hence using a high pick for Demko. 3 years for Miller to groom Lack and then Lack for 2 years to help Demko take over IMO was the plan. We will wait and see how this develops now.
2. The trade for Kesler. He was handcuffed and did his best to replace the goals lost in the trade. JB prolly also looked at our D core and realized we needed younger D and hence Sbisa.
3. Trade for Vey. This trade happened at tdl when there was no clear cut 3rd line center and we needed to fill that position. Especially since we lost Kesler we had no depth. Nobody expected Bo to make the team. Bo making the team made Vey expendable and if JB had a do over IMO he would have used that second for some D depth.
4. Dorsett was a required piece. JB realized the benefits a player like Dorsett brings and traded for him. His contract maybe a tad overpayment but he is a necessity if we are trying to get younger. We love someone like Dorsett that can play hockey and protect players when required if we are going to infuse our team with youth. Everyone here was all over Gillis when he did not resign Torres. We said we lost our toughness factor yet Torres had half the skills that Dorsett has and we are upset that he is resigned. Keep in mind Dorsett signed for 2.65 cap where as Torres left an FA and signed for 3mill.
5. Sbisa contract. This was also necessary. I have broken down the numbers previous and wont go into detail on how this is fair value and infact a cheaper option, but I will say this Calgary paid Engelland 2.9 cap and he has similar numbers to Sbisa, Washinton paid Niskanen 5.75 and Orpik 5.5 for similar numbers. What these players bring is not points but the toughness factor. Have the big body presence in the back. We need these kind players to have any success in the WC. Looking in our pipeline we don't have anybody with that skill set within 4 years of making the jump. That is why the big Russian was drafted. The trade for Pedan also happened to speed up the process of getting some help in the D core.
6. Higgins was not traded because realistically who do we have that could have taken his spot? Jensen? He cant even hold his spot in Utica. Shink was nowhere close, beyond that we had no one that the why Sven was traded for. To have some flexibility.
JB has done more for this team in 1 year then Gillis and Nonis did combined in their entire regime. I think JB is a quick learner and does not waste time. He sees the holes and addresses them. If there is an overflow he utilizes that as an asset to cover holes. I can see lack traded for D help or a prospect with high upside to fill the top 6 role. If traded for a pick, I wont be surprised if that pick is moved in a package for a player like Druin. High upside just stuck behind in the depth chart.
My biggest issue is with Nucks supporters. We are a bunch of bandwagonors with little to no game knowledge and have never played the game or any sports at high level. The media loves to stir poop and the crowds eats it like it is candy on Christmas morning.
Some of us are saying that if we get low value for Lack then trade Markstom. If the value for Lack is low then Markstrom will be even lower. Lack has 1 more season at a very cap friendly number and is proven that he can share a workload. Makrstom has clearly stated that he want to play in NHL and is an RFA. His NHL experience has been laughable. Yeah he did great things in AHL but so had Dipietro. It does not always translate to success at top flight.
Well that is the end of my rant. Hopefully I wont get roasted for long before Carol posts another blog.

- Linden_4_Capt


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KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:27 PM ET
Get fair value, don't make excuses. Who cares if JB has only been on the job 12 months. Its simple if the "fair value" is not there, keep him.
- VanHockeyGuy


But you can only keep one of them. HAS to trade one.
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