interesting to see post cup luv for Rosi on this board....37 coming off a broken ankle...

Lindbohm with the Blues had a similar clause but he and Army had a good long chat and Lindbohm chose to start the year in the AHL. You are likely right.
- stljam

I am not sure of the rule in regard to age but why would he sign a 2 year deal if he would be ready to goback to the KHL so quickly? I think he will get every opportunity in camp. I saw his agent in Larionov. I think he has a realistic view of what he needs to do make the NHL and that some time in the minors would be beneficial if that were to happen.

I have no interest in making Cooke a part of this organization...wouldn't want him if he were 28 yo.

I didn't want Carcillo...and I didn't want John Scott.

No bums on this roster marked by the league as repeat offenders...no thanks.
- ArlingtonRob

Better get rid of Keith then...

If I was a Hawks fan, JO would be my preference
- stljam

OK Oduya will not be any kind of option and soon.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So your answer is
I don't have an answer
So go away

Better get rid of Keith then...
- Sandus

One of several problems...

...Keith is as from a "bum" as possible, unless you feel that Cooke, Carcillo and Scott are HOF bound.

One of several problems...

...Keith is as from a "bum" as possible, unless you feel that Cooke, Carcillo and Scott are HOF bound.
- ArlingtonRob

I don't, but I've seen a lot of Matt Cooke and he is in a very different category of player from those other two. He's a top level defender and in his prime was one of the best penalty killers in the league.

My point was, if you want to say a guy's behavior matters, it has to matter all the time, not just if he's not a star player.

OK Oduya will not be any kind of option and soon.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So your answer is
I don't have an answer
So go away
- Colbyboy

Please, you don't know me well. For the hawks, I'd kick the Volchenkov tires. Helps perhaps with Panarin and gives you a D option. For the Blues, I want them to kick the Irwin tires. They could sign a depth 7 like Butler, Hunwick, Carkner or Schlemko. More realistically, you probably try to target a 1.5mm to 2.5mm guy in your cap savings deals where you don't shed full dollars but fill a need.

One of several problems...

...Keith is as from a "bum" as possible, unless you feel that Cooke, Carcillo and Scott are HOF bound.
- ArlingtonRob

New expansion team in the Deutsche Eishockey Liga? (HOF, Germany)

I don't, but I've seen a lot of Matt Cooke and he is in a very different category of player from those other two. He's a top level defender and in his prime was one of the best penalty killers in the league.

My point was, if you want to say a guy's behavior matters, it has to matter all the time, not just if he's not a star player.
- Sandus

Hold it...

...so you're saying Keith, Cooke and Carcillo are comparable in their on-ice behavior?

Wow...ok, I'm done.

Good nite everybody, and don't forget to tip your waitress.

Hold it...

...so you're saying Keith, Cooke and Carcillo are comparable in their on-ice behavior?

Wow...ok, I'm done.

Good nite everybody, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
- ArlingtonRob

You said league-deemed repeat offenders. Keith is in that category, yes. Don't get snippy when your own words get used against you.

You said league-deemed repeat offenders. Keith is in that category, yes. Don't get snippy when your own words get used against you.
- Sandus

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Keith has 2 suspensions...

Retaliated against Daniel Sedin after he received a headshot
High stick to Jeff Carter during the playoffs...stupid play.

That's it...

Cooke's is a long read...

http://www.si.com/nhl/hom...l-suspensions-dirty-hits#

If you feel these players are comparable you are nutz.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Keith has 2 suspensions...

Retaliated against Daniel Sedin after he received a headshot
High stick to Jeff Carter during the playoffs...stupid play.

That's it...

Cooke's is a long read...

http://www.si.com/nhl/hom...l-suspensions-dirty-hits#

If you feel these players are comparable you are nutz.
- ArlingtonRob

So since Keith is a repeat offender, how about Oshie and Jaybo for him?

ETA - Cap doesn't work so how about Jaybo, Rattie and a 2nd for him?

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Keith has 2 suspensions...

Retaliated against Daniel Sedin after he received a headshot
High stick to Jeff Carter during the playoffs...stupid play.

That's it...

Cooke's is a long read...

http://www.si.com/nhl/hom...l-suspensions-dirty-hits#

If you feel these players are comparable you are nutz.
- ArlingtonRob

I never used the word comparable and neither did you (until your previous two posts). You said repeat. One suspension and then another is a repeat offender. Keith with two suspensions is a repeat offender. Cooke could have 37 separate suspensions and still be classified as a repeat offender. Word choice is important.

I never used the word comparable and neither did you (until your previous two posts). You said repeat. One suspension and then another is a repeat offender. Keith with two suspensions is a repeat offender. Cooke could have 37 separate suspensions and still be classified as a repeat offender. Word choice is important.
- Sandus

SO you believe that if Keith and Cooke committed similar suspendable offenses in the opening game next year, they would get comparable suspensions?

So since Keith is a repeat offender, how about Oshie and Jaybo for him?

ETA - Cap doesn't work so how about Jaybo, Rattie and a 2nd for him?
- stljam

You can have Keith Seabrook for either of those packages. He's a Keith AND he's a Seabrook. I mean, come on, you're getting a steal here.

You can have Keith Seabrook for either of those packages. He's a Keith AND he's a Seabrook. I mean, come on, you're getting a steal here.
- Sandus

Ah, the Rielly Reilly conundrum

SO you believe that if Keith and Cooke committed similar suspendable offenses in the opening game next year, they would get comparable suspensions?
- stljam

Nope. Far from it. I think if Cooke gets another suspension it may mean the end of his career. Keith would probably get no more than 5 games unless he did something egregious, and no more than one in playoffs. Not my point. Is Cooke a dirty player? Absolutely. But Keith, for all his otherworldly talent, has a history of being a complete douche when he gets upset as well. So to throw out a blanket statement saying if you've been suspended multiple times you're obviously a thug and shouldn't be on this team is pretty shortsighted.

You said league-deemed repeat offenders. Keith is in that category, yes. Don't get snippy when your own words get used against you.
- Sandus

way to go sandus....yes keith is a repeat offender 2x: Sedin elbow in 2012 (5 gmes) and carter high stick in 2013 (1 gm); now are you happy with your sophistry vs rob....

saying keith is in the same suspension "repeat offender" zip code as cook or carcillo is like saying me and warren buffet are in the same league cuz we invest both invest in stocks...

move along now.....

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Keith has 2 suspensions...

Retaliated against Daniel Sedin after he received a headshot
High stick to Jeff Carter during the playoffs...stupid play.

That's it...

Cooke's is a long read...

http://www.si.com/nhl/hom...l-suspensions-dirty-hits#

If you feel these players are comparable you are nutz.
- ArlingtonRob

no rob you are correct...but it won't matter cuz you weren't specific enough....see ya gotta spoon feed some here with your comments or some want to mess with ya...

way to go sandus....yes keith is a repeat offender 2x: Sedin elbow in 2012 (5 gmes) and carter high stick in 2013 (1 gm); now are you happy with your sophistry vs rob....

saying keith is in the same suspension "repeat offender" zip code as cook or carcillo is like saying me and warren buffet are in the same league cuz we invest both invest in stocks...

move along now.....
- bogiedoc

You certainly are, if that league is "stock investor." Now if I said all stock investors are terrible posters and I wouldn't want any of them posting on this board, that would make me seem pretty foolish, wouldn't it?

no rob you are correct...but it won't matter cuz you weren't specific enough....see ya gotta spoon feed some here with your comments or some want to mess with ya...
- bogiedoc

I actually made a simple tongue in cheek comment pointing out a minor oversight on his part, and he proceeded to cry about it and then twist my words. So I dragged it out. If you actually read my posts, it would be pretty obvious what my opinion is, and you'd notice that he and I are not in disagreement about Cooke, only about communication.

I actually made a simple tongue in cheek comment pointing out a minor oversight on his part, and he proceeded to cry about it and then twist my words. So I dragged it out. If you actually read my posts, it would be pretty obvious what my opinion is, and you'd notice that he and I are not in disagreement about Cooke, only about communication.
- Sandus

No twisting...just pointing out your major oversight.

And we disagreed about your original point...I don't want Cooke anywhere near the Hawks organization and you think it's a terrific idea.

No...

They tried to tweak the rules after 2004 lockout and hasn't worked.
People in the US don't need 7-6 or 5-4 every night.
The flow of the game is most important...there is nothing to do with the rulebook for the most part.

Players are schooled to play defense at a much younger age, US college players as well as those that play up North.

Only quick fix that will make a little difference is to make the goalie's equipment smaller.

The video coach works more hours than anyone for a reason. Defensive schemes have improved because of better video usage and better advanced scouting. Most teams can learn to play effective defense....scoring suffers as a result.
- Al

Bigger Ice

I think you guys are all wrong Eichel = Toews

as someone just said...we will see in a four-five seasons.


You know what else there are 28 teams wishing they were picking in that slot to take him.

F the interview, f what a kid says, what he does on the sheet is what wins it for me with him.

You think Shawzie thinks he cannot be better than McDavid?

How do you think these guys get here with push, barshness and hard work, and Eichel is not lazes.
- wiz1901

No disrespect Wiz, but have you met him? That is not MY assessment of him but someone who has interviewed him and their job is to have an opinion on him in that regard, a couple of people in fact. He did not interview well. All I'm saying.

I'm not sure there are going to have options either way. Think its time for some of these prospects to sink or swim.
- TTtime

And its necessary to do it. That's the way the "program" works that the hawks have implemented, keep the core, trade away expensive vets not in the core for picks, keep stockpiling the minors, over stay in the minors and bring them up when you need cheap roster players because your core is expensive.

Its been in place for 5 years really now. It should be obvious. 3 guys min from the system will be in the opening night line up, if cap is down at 67, you might be looking at 4 or 5.

Guys will either adapt or get sent back down and someone else will get a shot. By the end of the year, it will be OK.

Saad, Shaw, Kruger, Hjarmalsson, are all examples of this, it will be OK. Stan and Co has quite a few options with Rockford and recent signings.

Might not win the cup next year, but those 4 or 5 will get lots of experience, and when we win our 4th cup in 8 years, we'll be here two years from now, wondering how the hell they are going to compete having to let 3 or 4 more guys walk.