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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:47 PM ET
Solid.
- Tomahawk


He mentioned Giroux when talking about Marner
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:47 PM ET
He mentioned Giroux when talking about Marner
- ob18


Like G, I think Marner makes his bones in the NHL as a C.
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jun 22 @ 10:49 PM ET
Hey, new guy here so don't beat me up too bad. Longtime listener, first time caller. How would you guys feel if we traded our first overall in a package deal to unload Vinny or AMac for a mid level prospect? This would give us some flexibility during free agency, and some room to resign some of our impending free agents such Del Zotto, and a goalie. We got guys on both ends of the ice in the minors who are ready to play, and soon enough we are going to have to give Voracek a raise. Thoughts?
- Axilla


The cap relief to unload vinnys contract would be nice, but I feel this scenario just furthers our problem. I say that because I don't see the Flyers as being true contenders until that contract is off the books anyway. I would prefer to keep the pick and get a great prospect to help our future, which Vinny isn't a part of anywau
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:49 PM ET
Like G, I think Marner makes his bones in the NHL as a C.
- Tomahawk


He'll be a winger
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:50 PM ET
He'll be a winger
- ob18


youarewrong
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:50 PM ET
Hey, new guy here so don't beat me up too bad. Longtime listener, first time caller. How would you guys feel if we traded our first overall in a package deal to unload Vinny or AMac for a mid level prospect? This would give us some flexibility during free agency, and some room to resign some of our impending free agents such Del Zotto, and a goalie. We got guys on both ends of the ice in the minors who are ready to play, and soon enough we are going to have to give Voracek a raise. Thoughts?
- Axilla

It'd be an impossible sell to give away the seventh overall just to undo mistakes, given the season we all just dealt with. Gotta have something to show for it.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:51 PM ET
youarewrong
- Tomahawk


okay
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 10:54 PM ET
youarewrong
- Tomahawk

whatever happened to that guy?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 22 @ 10:57 PM ET
whatever happened to that guy?
- stayinthefnnet


ob dropped the hammer on him
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:59 PM ET
whatever happened to that guy?
- stayinthefnnet

b&
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:01 PM ET
okay
- ob18


Surprised Zacha rated that high?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:04 PM ET
Hey, new guy here so don't beat me up too bad. Longtime listener, first time caller. How would you guys feel if we traded our first overall in a package deal to unload Vinny or AMac for a mid level prospect? This would give us some flexibility during free agency, and some room to resign some of our impending free agents such Del Zotto, and a goalie. We got guys on both ends of the ice in the minors who are ready to play, and soon enough we are going to have to give Voracek a raise. Thoughts?
- Axilla


There's no way I trade a first rounder to lose a contract, be it Lecavalier or MacDonald. There's a good chance of landing an all star player with that pick and you can't move it just to get cap flexibility for a mediocre team in the short term.

I am not sold that the kids are ready to play, and the guy they draft at 7 overall has a better than even shot at immediately stepping in and being their best prospect.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:06 PM ET
Surprised Zacha rated that high?
- ravishingone


I'm not. Kid's a beast. Biggest issue for him moving forward is being more selfish and making sure he doesn't cross the line in terms of temper.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 11:07 PM ET
b&
- Giroux_Is_God


i really wish i could say that i didnt spend like 10 seconds sounding this out and thinking band?

what band? did i miss a music convo?

oh. nevermind. god damn i suck.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 11:08 PM ET
ob dropped the hammer on him
- PhillySportsGuy

lifetime?

i think that happened to a dude in the pens board.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:08 PM ET
I'm not. Kid's a beast. Biggest issue for him moving forward is being more selfish and making sure he doesn't cross the line in terms of temper.
- Jsaquella


Zacha > Provorov ???
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:15 PM ET
Zacha > Provorov ???
- ravishingone


Possibly. I'd have to flip a coin if those two, Barzal and Connor were there at 7
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:19 PM ET
Solid.
- Tomahawk


crouse. 7.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:24 PM ET
Possibly. I'd have to flip a coin if those two, Barzal and Connor were there at 7
- Jsaquella


Even Allen Walsh can't even slow down the Zacha train. I really like Zacha, but Connor is right there with him as far as ceiling.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:34 PM ET
Possibly. I'd have to flip a coin if those two, Barzal and Connor were there at 7
- Jsaquella


Gotta go D.

edit: And it would be an awfully weird - or very cool - coin.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:44 PM ET
Even Allen Walsh can't even slow down the Zacha train. I really like Zacha, but Connor is right there with him as far as ceiling.
- ravishingone


I read a few people say that Zacha suffered as much from linemates unable to convert as he did his own shortcomings. He'd make the safe play and dish to a teammate, and the teammate would turn it over or fail to get it back to Zacha or not convert the chance.

The other one that got me was reading one scout who said he sees things that other guys miss, and as a result, he make a pass or a play that nobody else saw and he'd end up on an island. Playing with smarter guys or guys who have better vision and hockey sense, those plays get converted

Reminds me a bit of an interview I heard from Brendan Bell, when Gretzky coached the Coyotes. Gretzky would ask a guy why he didn't make a certain pass or why he didn't make a play different, and Bell said that Gretzky would see things that nobody else did.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:49 PM ET
I read a few people say that Zacha suffered as much from linemates unable to convert as he did his own shortcomings. He'd make the safe play and dish to a teammate, and the teammate would turn it over or fail to get it back to Zacha or not convert the chance.

The other one that got me was reading one scout who said he sees things that other guys miss, and as a result, he make a pass or a play that nobody else saw and he'd end up on an island. Playing with smarter guys or guys who have better vision and hockey sense, those plays get converted

Reminds me a bit of an interview I heard from Brendan Bell, when Gretzky coached the Coyotes. Gretzky would ask a guy why he didn't make a certain pass or why he didn't make a play different, and Bell said that Gretzky would see things that nobody else did.

- Jsaquella


Lets draft him and he can start passing to the ghost of umberger
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:11 AM ET
Lets draft him and he can start passing to the ghost of umberger
- Just5


Or play with Giroux and Voracek
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:11 AM ET
Phill Kessel will be a flyer today
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:59 AM ET
Or play with Giroux and Voracek
- Jsaquella

Provorov, Zacha, rantanen, or Meier
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