Per TIOPS, Pens would be willing to include Perron in a deal for the right player. I wouldn't trade Perron in any deal unless the person coming back was named Ladd, Wheeler, or JVR.
- errey12

You picked a pretty good list up there.

My only concen with Perron is his desire to win. I don't think his battle level is always there for a top 6 playing with Two star centers. +....he needs to work on his damn shot FFS.

Per TIOPS, Pens would be willing to include Perron in a deal for the right player. I wouldn't trade Perron in any deal unless the person coming back was named Ladd, Wheeler, or JVR.
- errey12

That dude has as many sources as you do.

Per TIOPS, Pens would be willing to include Perron in a deal for the right player. I wouldn't trade Perron in any deal unless the person coming back was named Ladd, Wheeler, or JVR.
- errey12

so you wouldnt include him for hedman? getzlaf? toews?

Not a Perron hater, but usually there is a reason you bounce around a bunch of teams early on.

so you wouldnt include him for hedman? getzlaf? toews?
- nurk

The dude has issues all over the place and you continue to make excuses. The fact people remain interested in getting this bum is mind boggling. Its foolish.

Again, for you ... why did Washington go year to year with him and not extend him to a long term contract? I will wait for your answer.
- Oneonta Penguin

Because the issues you listed don't make him a 7M player even though he is a 7M talent. Unlike you, I'm not ignoring the other side of the argument.

Your problem is you ignore the other side of the argument: his production. Whether he works hard every shift or not, a 25g 55pt wing is most certainly worth 3.5M, 5M really in this market. If you want guys who try hard every shift, just put Comeau back with Malkin.

The idea is to find a guy who can be Malkin's new Neal and has a shot to score 30 on his wing. You find me a guy who can do that, works hard all the time, and won't require emptying the prospect system. I'll wait for your reply.

Not a Perron hater, but usually there is a reason you bounce around a bunch of teams early on.
- sammy87

notorious elevator farter

Because the issues you listed don't make him a 7M player even though he is a 7M talent. Unlike you, I'm not ignoring the other side of the argument.

Your problem is you ignore the other side of the argument: his production. Whether he works hard every shift or not, a 25g 55pt wing is most certainly worth 3.5M, 5M really in this market. If you want guys who try hard every shift, just put Comeau back with Malkin.

The idea is to find a guy who can be Malkin's new Neal and has a shot to score 30 on his wing. You find me a guy who can do that, works hard all the time, and won't require emptying the prospect system. I'll wait for your reply.
- Tojo.

Semin is a +60 in takeaways compared to giveaways since the 09 season. Is that irresponsible? Meanwhile Kunitz is a negative giveaway to takeaway guy in the same time period, but he hustles.

Yeah, but 44 in 44 is 82 over a full season. To go from 82 to 53 to 27 (last year adjusted for full season) is a big decline over a 2 year period.
- cap1681

The 50 some point guy is more in line with his last 2 years in Washington. Don't think anyone is expecting a point per game guy. That was more a great year like last was a bad one. Like many players, Semin probably had his best offensive years in his early to mid twenties, but can still be a productive top 6 wing.

People need to realize that we don't have the assets to have a great top 6 with no downside or risks. We simply don't.

We'll either overpay an UFA or get someone like Semin that has some question marks.

If CAR would retain salary on Semin and we could get him without giving up the little we have, I'd say do it. If he's healthy he is bound to score 20-30 goals with Malkin. Even more if all goes well. His numbers with Carolina were good prior to his injury and fallout with coach.

People need to realize that we don't have the assets to have a great top 6 with no downside or risks. We simply don't.

We'll either overpay an UFA or get someone like Semin that has some question marks.

If CAR would retain salary on Semin and we could get him without giving up the little we have, I'd say do it. If he's healthy he is bound to score 20-30 goals with Malkin. Even more if all goes well. His numbers with Carolina were good prior to his injury and fallout with coach.
- Conse

I think most fans understand that. I'm not sure management does however. I'd personally rather overpay in UFA and use assets to get more youth.

http://isportsweb.com/201...b-scuderi-trade-unlikely/
- cap1681

Is this site reliable? It contradicts what I'd read before, though that might have been TIOPS. None of the actual reliable sites seem to have the details of his clause.

Edit- it says he's a college junior at the time of this writing. Doubt he scooped the rest of the media then.

I think most fans understand that. I'm not sure management does however.
- jfkst1

Let's just hope that JR learned from the Despres trade....

People need to realize that we don't have the assets to have a great top 6 with no downside or risks. We simply don't.

We'll either overpay an UFA or get someone like Semin that has some question marks.

If CAR would retain salary on Semin and we could get him without giving up the little we have, I'd say do it. If he's healthy he is bound to score 20-30 goals with Malkin. Even more if all goes well. His numbers with Carolina were good prior to his injury and fallout with coach.
- Conse

They have the assets, just aren't willing to move them.

Is this site reliable? It contradicts what I'd read before, though that might have been TIOPS. None of the actual reliable sites seem to have the details of his clause.
- Tojo.

I've never heard of a 24 team NTC either. Not saying it is wrong, but I'm skeptical anyone knows for certain.

They have the assets, just aren't willing to move them.
- cap1681

We do, but the good assets we have are Maatta and Pouliot, and moving them would create other holes in the roster.

What do you consider assets we could move, aside from Maatta and Pouliot?

I've never heard of a 24 team NTC either. Not saying it is wrong, but I'm skeptical anyone knows for certain.
- jfkst1

Yeah I've never heard of a 24 team NTC either. I'm almost positive it was 8 teams or 15 teams that he'd go to.

We do, but the good assets we have are Maatta and Pouliot, and moving them would create other holes in the roster.

What do you consider assets we could move, aside from Maatta and Pouliot?
- Conse

Sutter, Dumo, Harrington, Jarry, Murray and we shouldn't move either but Sundqvist and Kapanen.

We do, but the good assets we have are Maatta and Pouliot, and moving them would create other holes in the roster.

What do you consider assets we could move, aside from Maatta and Pouliot?
- Conse

Those were the 2 i was identifying. You could move either for a legitimate top 6 winger, most likely with contract control or term. It's a crap situation, but one that the FO put the Pens in.

To be completely honest, I don't think the Sutter trade is going to be an obvious one. There is a lot out there to be had.

Like Sutter for Rackell + in Anaheim. Rackell isn't a big goal scorer but is heralded as an impressive two way player with offensive instincts. He is only 22. Given Sutter is more proven you would be able to get something else in return most likely draft compensation. Anaheim also has enough cap room to make the deal and keep Sutter.

I just feel that trading a guy who will never be anything more than a 6th or 7th d-man for a guy who can play bottom pairing now and has potential to move up to the middle pairing is a win.

And the pick was a 7th round pick. Nothing groundbreaking there.
- cap1681

And if the Blues have already decided that he will be nothing more than a 6th or 7th d-man for them? (which he proved to us over years of play/development or lack thereof.)

Essentially we just traded one bottom pairing guy for another bottom pairing guy that fits our needs more (physical) and we also got a late pick thrown in. He wasn't developing into more than a bottom pairing guy.

In the end, it wasn't a bad deal for either team. You guys MIGHT get more than a bottom pairing guy. We got exactly what we needed. Win Win if Cole ends up living up to his potential. Still wouldn't be a loss for us IMO.

We do, but the good assets we have are Maatta and Pouliot, and moving them would create other holes in the roster.

What do you consider assets we could move, aside from Maatta and Pouliot?
- Conse

Just trade 71, get 2 good players back and picks/prospects. This team won't be that good this season anyway.

Sure you can make a good roster on hockeyscap, but there are way too many moving parts to make it realistic.

If Dupes comes back, they need to dump Kuni, Sutter, Scuds possibly Spaling.....thats a lot to accomplish with not taking garbage back.

If, and that's a huge if, Ek is right and the Pens have interest in Sekera, that would be huge. Signing Sekera instantly makes Dumoulin and Cole expendable, giving us one more trade chip in trying to land a top six winger. Both currently have more trade value than Harrington but can't be moved because they're both gonna be counted on to play vital rolls on blue line this year.

And if the Blues have already decided that he will be nothing more than a 6th or 7th d-man for them? (which he proved to us over years of play/development or lack thereof.)

Essentially we just traded one bottom pairing guy for another bottom pairing guy that fits our needs more (physical) and we also got a late pick thrown in. He wasn't developing into more than a bottom pairing guy.

In the end, it wasn't a bad deal for either team. You guys MIGHT get more than a bottom pairing guy. We got exactly what we needed. Win Win if Cole ends up living up to his potential. Still wouldn't be a loss for us IMO.
- carcus

A lot of it comes down to fit in the system. Bortuzzo isn't good at moving the puck so he isn't going to be good with Johnston's system. Cole moves the puck well so he's going to be better than he was in STL.

If, and that's a huge if, Ek is right and the Pens have interest in Sekera, that would be huge. Signing Sekera instantly makes Dumoulin and Cole expendable, giving us one more trade chip in trying to land a top six winger. Both currently have more trade value than Harrington but can't be moved because they're both gonna be counted on to play vital rolls on blue line this year.
- Victoro311

Sekera doesn't make a lot of sense unless he is coming for cheap. Pens have too many LH dmen already. Franson makes more sense.