If Pitt buys a few years of UFA years on Coles deal something around $2.5-$2.75 mil isn't that bad of a deal.
- willi

agreed 4 years 10 million is not out of the question

Martin isn't signing for anything under 5M. That would be the hometown discount if he took one........

Agreed 2 yrs 8 million... 3 years 12.... so long as Scuds can be moved.... Probably won't happen ... some team out there will give him 4-5 years... Look at the ridiculous contracts given to Orpik, Petry and Boychuk...
- Brianandr1

I'd rather give him a one year deal for $6m than lock him up for long.

agreed 4 years 10 million is not out of the question
- Brianandr1

Could be a great deal if Cole plays well in the top 4.

Buying out Scuderi makes zero sense given his term and how close the PENS will be to the cap...why have dead cap space for the next 4 years?
- mventres

Well he can't be on the roster and he'll never be traded so what else can they do? The last 2 years the cap hit is less than a million so it's not that big of a deal.

Could be a great deal if Cole plays well in the top 4.
- jfkst1

That's a big if...

He wasn't able to do it in St Louis playing with Petro. Who would he be partnered with ?

That's a big if...

He wasn't able to do it in St Louis playing with Petro. Who would he be partnered with ?
- carcus

Considering he did fine here getting top pair minutes, not unreasonable to think he can't handle mid pairing minutes now.

That's a big if...

He wasn't able to do it in St Louis playing with Petro. Who would he be partnered with ?
- carcus

His underlying numbers are strong. He is also much better suited to Johnston's system than Hitchcock's.

Could be a great deal if Cole plays well in the top 4.
- jfkst1

Martin is not signing a 1 year deal... 34 years old he's looking for 4-5 years at 5 million per...Long term contracts for D men in there 30's is a HUGE NO NO... other then Chara none have worked out... a fact I pointed out to Isles fans sometime back over Boychuks ridiculous 7 year deal and was shouted off their board .... Sign Cole, go with the kids, keep Scuds as a 6-8 d man if he cant be moved.

Yea he's 40 years old and ripe alright
- Just5

Um, not the player genius.

His underlying numbers are strong. He is also much better suited to Johnston's system than Hitchcock's.
- jfkst1

He got exposed a bit playing top pairing minutes down the stretch, but yeah, kid played well for the most part. I know the Blues fans disagree, but he is night and day better than Bortz. That was a steal.

By the way, How the hell did Hitchcock keep his job? That fat pig makes Bylsma look like Scotty Bowman.

DK is a sniveling little baby that can't handle criticism. He can't admit to his mistakes either. Still can't come to grips that the Despres/Lovejoy deal was a joke and tries his best to put down others who call him out on it.

The only one I like is Molinari.

DK is a sniveling little baby that can't handle criticism. He can't admit to his mistakes either. Still can't come to grips that the Despres/Lovejoy deal was a joke and tries his best to put down others who call him out on it.

The only one I like is Molinari.
- acdc1206

I've had some good convos with Molinari, very dry sarcasm but he's a fun down to earth guy to talk to.

Martin is not signing a 1 year deal... 34 years old he's looking for 4-5 years at 5 million per...Long term contracts for D men in there 30's is a HUGE NO NO... other then Chara none have worked out... a fact I pointed out to Isles fans sometime back over Boychuks ridiculous 7 year deal and was shouted off their board .... Sign Cole, go with the kids, keep Scuds as a 6-8 d man if he cant be moved.
- Brianandr1

No there is no reason to keep Scudri around anywhere in the lineup I mean circumstances might find him getting back into a a actually playing and that can't happen.

DK is a sniveling little baby that can't handle criticism. He can't admit to his mistakes either. Still can't come to grips that the Despres/Lovejoy deal was a joke and tries his best to put down others who call him out on it.

The only one I like is Molinari.
- acdc1206

Which is why I wouldn't ever pay for a subscription. He's simply a sports fan, just like every one of us and writes based on his own opinions. Why would I pay money to read someone's opinions.

Overtime will be 3 on 3 next year most likely ... How much can we bet Scuderi will be on the ice for some reliable "puck clearing" and get scored on at least 90% of the time. Plz Jim, get rid of the guy NOW!
- nelson911

My question is, how many teams will go 1 forward and 2 defensemen in this setup? A Rangers vs Devils OT may never get a shot on net because no one with any skill at all on the net. I personally do not see this as improving OT at all. No one plays for the win, all play for the Shootout.

Not buying out Scuderi only makes sense if Rutherford is confident he can trade him. Otherwise theyll have $3.3m dead cap space this year.
- jfkst1

No, they will have an overpaid D man at 3.3 this year and next. Buying him out would see about 1.5mil of dead space over the next 4 years that can't be used on anybody...that's not good for a team so close to the cap...not worth the risk.

In other news TIOPS is scaring me: apparently Sharp and Hudler are being highly sought after. If Rutherford makes a dumb deal for either, or both, I'm gonna be super SUPER pissed...not only at him, but ownership for being so intent on selling the team high that they will ruin the team for fans and the next ownership group.

No there is no reason to keep Scudri around anywhere in the lineup I mean circumstances might find him getting back into a a actually playing and that can't happen.
- Dcoms

They need a veteran d man outside of Letang and Lovejoy... Scuds is not ideal... I agree 100 percent... but id rather have him as a depth guy then give Franson or Sekera... 6-7 years at 6 million plus.... These are the types of deals teams regret with in a year or two of making them and get suck with an immovable contract....

They need a veteran d man outside of Letang and Lovejoy... Scuds is not ideal... I agree 100 percent... but id rather have him as a depth guy then give Franson or Sekera... 6-7 years at 6 million plus.... These are the types of deals teams regret with in a year or two of making them and get suck with an immovable contract....
- Brianandr1

100% agree. Got to be smart about signings over long term, not lose veteran presence/leadership/experience and keep the team on a positive attitude about NMC/etc that they dole out.

No, they will have an overpaid D man at 3.3 this year and next. Buying him out would see about 1.5mil of dead space over the next 4 years that can't be used on anybody...that's not good for a team so close to the cap...not worth the risk.

In other news TIOPS is scaring me: apparently Sharp and Hudler are being highly sought after. If Rutherford makes a dumb deal for either, or both, I'm gonna be super SUPER pissed...not only at him, but ownership for being so intent on selling the team high that they will ruin the team for fans and the next ownership group.
- mventres

If it's any consolation Tiops is about as accurate as Ek.

No, they will have an overpaid D man at 3.3 this year and next. Buying him out would see about 1.5mil of dead space over the next 4 years that can't be used on anybody...that's not good for a team so close to the cap...not worth the risk.

In other news TIOPS is scaring me: apparently Sharp and Hudler are being highly sought after. If Rutherford makes a dumb deal for either, or both, I'm gonna be super SUPER pissed...not only at him, but ownership for being so intent on selling the team high that they will ruin the team for fans and the next ownership group.
- mventres

I have a feeling the roster will be closet to last yr just older. Sharp and hudler are probably the only players the pens can afford with what they have to sell.

If it's any consolation Tiops is about as accurate as Ek.
- madmike71

lol

No, they will have an overpaid D man at 3.3 this year and next. Buying him out would see about 1.5mil of dead space over the next 4 years that can't be used on anybody...that's not good for a team so close to the cap...not worth the risk.

In other news TIOPS is scaring me: apparently Sharp and Hudler are being highly sought after. If Rutherford makes a dumb deal for either, or both, I'm gonna be super SUPER pissed...not only at him, but ownership for being so intent on selling the team high that they will ruin the team for fans and the next ownership group.
- mventres

1.29, 1.79, .917, .917 in million dollar is his buyout option. That is infinitely better than 3.375 for a 7th defender taking up space that could be used for developing defenders

My question is, how many teams will go 1 forward and 2 defensemen in this setup? A Rangers vs Devils OT may never get a shot on net because no one with any skill at all on the net. I personally do not see this as improving OT at all. No one plays for the win, all play for the Shootout.
- mmonana120

Hahaha... poor Devils fans.

1.29, 1.79, .917, .917 in million dollar is his buyout option. That is infinitely better than 3.375 for a 7th defender taking up space that could be used for developing defenders
- usethe1-2-2

Add that to a conservative 2 mil cap increase a year... Cap would be 77.4 mil on his first year of extra buyout, .917... then 79.4 for the other. Since we have our top players signed long term, that amount shouldn't mean squat.