What do you think it would take for Lucic?

Id love ROR and Landeskog. Never happen of course.
- jfkst1

Not really interested in Lucic, I think he's overpaid and not really what the Pens need. He just seems like a glorified 3rd liner.

Not saying we could get Kog, but that style of play is great. Just watch the Olympics SWE and Fin are always playing for a medal even though they dont have the ultra talent players and a much smaller nation. Mean while Russia with all their talent once again has an early exit.

Minnesota wasn't a tough draw for St. Louis. Blues just sucked.

But it's also immensely higher than signing a UFA for the same cap hit with no assets
- BourbonCounty

Yes, Semin is a higher upside than the UFA class that would be at the same cap hit...

Pretty sure you said that backwards, and meant to say UFAs this year were a better upside. Curious to who has a higher ceiling that would be 4 mil or less? I don't recall seeing many 30 goal scorers out there.

So you think they just want to dump Semin for salary relief as well?
- jfkst1

Pretty Much.

The guy's been a good teammate by all accounts, just had a preposterously bad year trying to recover from his wrist surgery.

Yes it could....we would have to be willing to give up assets like #58, 51 & 3
- joescullz

#58 is nowhere near a starting point for Landeskog or ROR. #3 maybe, I mean Landeskog isn't leaving COL anytime soon in any form or fashion but for ROR possibly and chances are it would take #3 + #51 + Kap or maybe get away with BB.

#58 is nowhere near a starting point for Landeskog or ROR. #3 maybe, I mean Landeskog isn't leaving COL anytime soon in any form or fashion but for ROR possibly and chances are it would take #3 + #51 + Kap or maybe get away with BB.
- did109

So it takes two top pairing D and a high end prospect for a second line center/winger?

Yes, Semin is a higher upside than the UFA class that would be at the same cap hit...

Pretty sure you said that backwards, and meant to say UFAs this year were a better upside. Curious to who has a higher ceiling that would be 4 mil or less? I don't recall seeing many 30 goal scorers out there.
- Guile

I meant the risk is much higher than signing a UFA for the same cap hit. I would take Belesky at 4-4.5 way before I'd trade assets for Semin.

Semin also hasn't scored 30+ goals since 2009 and his point total has been slumping yearly. Just because he is a former 30 goal scored doesn't mean that he is a player we should jump at. I mean, Heatley is available. Former 50 goal scorer.

#58 is nowhere near a starting point for Landeskog or ROR. #3 maybe, I mean Landeskog isn't leaving COL anytime soon in any form or fashion but for ROR possibly and chances are it would take #3 + #51 + Kap or maybe get away with BB.
- did109

I think the AV's resign ROR. They were hurting more than they realized losing Stastny. They need D and a reliable G more than anything. Ownership is the biggest issue in CO.

Let's just accept the assumption, for argument sake, that Sutter has potential for a 2C and that teams are willing to pay for that potential. Would ARZ make a reasonable trade partner? Would they like:

Boedker + Korpikoski (great 3rd line guy) + #60 + #81 for Sutter + Bennett + Murray (G prospect)?

While Boedker has potential, he hasn't really produced to expectation (kinda like Sutter) - he is a RFA and will want in the range of $4-5/yr, which seems like more than ARZ would like on the books for a winger. Bennett is still young and has potential to be a solid 3rd line or maybe 2nd line guy, too early to tell. Murray is a very solid G prospect who is 1-2 years away, but who could develop into a solid #1. The picks are likely not going to yield players better than Bennett or Murray anyway...probabilistically at least.

Otherwise, would a Sutter (maybe +3rd in 2016) for Boedker deal make sense?

Thoughts?

I meant the risk is much higher than signing a UFA for the same cap hit. I would take Belesky at 4-4.5 way before I'd trade assets for Semin.

Semin also hasn't scored 30+ goals since 2009 and his point total has been slumping yearly. Just because he is a former 30 goal scored doesn't mean that he is a player we should jump at. I mean, Heatley is available. Former 50 goal scorer.
- BourbonCounty

His first two years in Carolina was on pace for 25+ goals had he played full seasons. one being an 80+ point pace, the other about 60...

Gonna go out on a limb and say 3.5 mil for 25 goals and 60 points in a 2nd line winger with the potential to break out and have 30 or even 40 goals isn't unreasonable.

I refuse to believe the wrist injurred season last year is his new norm, which no one else should be that hard against him to say that is his norm either. The two years prior is what is fair to base off of, both paced for 25+ goals on a lesser team when he was being "lazy".

Minnesota wasn't a tough draw for St. Louis. Blues just sucked.
- Cephalopods

Yup.


Also, we lost to the Kings once in the first round and once in the second round.

I meant the risk is much higher than signing a UFA for the same cap hit. I would take Belesky at 4-4.5 way before I'd trade assets for Semin.

Semin also hasn't scored 30+ goals since 2009 and his point total has been slumping yearly. Just because he is a former 30 goal scored doesn't mean that he is a player we should jump at. I mean, Heatley is available. Former 50 goal scorer.
- BourbonCounty

No?

2009-2010 84 points in 73 games
2010-2011 54 points in 65 games
2011-2012 54 points in 77 games
2012-2013 44 points in 44 games
2013-2014 42 points in 65 games
2014-2015 19 points in 57 games

Totals 297 points in 381 games, or .780 points per game, an average of 64 over a full season.

What, other than 2014-2015, indicates that he's a risk? If anything, he looks like a reasonably consistent 50-60 point guy who had one VERY bad year.

Skinner, who I don't want at all, is less of a risk than Letang. You bring up three concussions in four years. My response is Letang has had multiple concussions and a stroke in the same time frame. Which is worse? I mean people Letang's age shouldn't have strokes.
- Oneonta Penguin

Strokes can happen to anyone at any time. Its a sad but true thing. I have a friend who had a younger sibling die at age of 12 bc of a stroke. Simply because her heart grew too big too fast for her body. Blocked air to brain.

I know a stroke is bad but they happen, so I don't but that into the injury list because usually nothing an do to prevent them other than diet and exercise. And if person is an athlete, they are already doing those things.

So it takes two top pairing D and a high end prospect for a second line center/winger?
- usethe1-2-2

1 top Dman, a second hopefully top 4 guy and a high end prospect would probably be more accurate. I think Pouliot will come around but I don't think he will be up there all around with Maatta. And don't think for a second that prices wont be sky high for top 6 forwards, everyone wants them and there are few available. Don't get me wrong I completely agree that a price like that is outrageous but chances are a team will pay it.(Not the PEnguins and rightfully so.)

Let's just accept the assumption, for argument sake, that Sutter has potential for a 2C and that teams are willing to pay for that potential. Would ARZ make a reasonable trade partner? Would they like:

Boedker + Korpikoski (great 3rd line guy) + #60 + #81 for Sutter + Bennett + Murray (G prospect)?

While Boedker has potential, he hasn't really produced to expectation (kinda like Sutter) - he is a RFA and will want in the range of $4-5/yr, which seems like more than ARZ would like on the books for a winger. Bennett is still young and has potential to be a solid 3rd line or maybe 2nd line guy, too early to tell. Murray is a very solid G prospect who is 1-2 years away, but who could develop into a solid #1. The picks are likely not going to yield players better than Bennett or Murray anyway...probabilistically at least.

Thoughts?
- mventres

No, with Domi on the way and Hanzal locked up Sutter would once again be an expensive third line center. Boedker is their rock for the young talent, as is Hanzal if he stays healthy. The other pieces might work but the main piece doesn't fit.

Strokes can happen to anyone at any time. Its a sad but true thing. I have a friend who had a younger sibling die at age of 12 bc of a stroke. Simply because her heart grew too big too fast for her body. Blocked air to brain.

I know a stroke is bad but they happen, so I don't but that into the injury list because usually nothing an do to prevent them other than diet and exercise. And if person is an athlete, they are already doing those things.
- mmonana120

Letang has a hole in the wall of his heart that lead to the stroke. It wasn't a random occurrence.

Let's just accept the assumption, for argument sake, that Sutter has potential for a 2C and that teams are willing to pay for that potential. Would ARZ make a reasonable trade partner? Would they like:

Boedker + Korpikoski (great 3rd line guy) + #60 + #81 for Sutter + Bennett + Murray (G prospect)?

While Boedker has potential, he hasn't really produced to expectation (kinda like Sutter) - he is a RFA and will want in the range of $4-5/yr, which seems like more than ARZ would like on the books for a winger. Bennett is still young and has potential to be a solid 3rd line or maybe 2nd line guy, too early to tell. Murray is a very solid G prospect who is 1-2 years away, but who could develop into a solid #1. The picks are likely not going to yield players better than Bennett or Murray anyway...probabilistically at least.

Otherwise, would a Sutter (maybe +3rd in 2016) for Boedker deal make sense?

Thoughts?
- mventres

AZ is the target I think Sutter can go to. He could be a 1 C there in reality. Boedker is the most interesting piece they have, $4mil is too much for his past, but the dude has skill. Not sure if AZ plans on departing him or not.

No?

2009-2010 84 points in 73 games
2010-2011 54 points in 65 games
2011-2012 54 points in 77 games
2012-2013 44 points in 44 games
2013-2014 42 points in 65 games
2014-2015 19 points in 57 games

Totals 297 points in 381 games, or .780 points per game, an average of 64 over a full season.

What, other than 2014-2015, indicates that he's a risk? If anything, he looks like a reasonably consistent 50-60 point guy who had one VERY bad year.
- BINGO!

I'm on board for taking him since you guys just want to shed the cap... his work ethic and being injury prone isn't ideal.. but I don't think you can beat the value.

1 top Dman, a second hopefully top 4 guy and a high end prospect would probably be more accurate. I think Pouliot will come around but I don't think he will be up there all around with Maatta. And don't think for a second that prices wont be sky high for top 6 forwards, everyone wants them and there are few available. Don't get me wrong I completely agree that a price like that is outrageous but chances are a team will pay it.(Not the PEnguins and rightfully so.)
- did109

Yah I wouldn't touch that. Typical those guys go for a top 10 overall pick, established top six type player, and top end prospect.
Like if you guys gave up 7th overall, Coots, and say Morin would probably be the price for ROR right now.

Letang has a hole in the wall of his heart that lead to the stroke. It wasn't a random occurrence.
- did109

That is what I kind of meant. He was born with it and not really anything they could have done for it to prevent the stroke. You gonna open up every player from now on and see if they have wholes in there hearts?

Yah I wouldn't touch that. Typical those guys go for a top 10 overall pick, established top six type player, and top end prospect.
Like if you guys gave up 7th overall, Coots, and say Morin would probably be the price for ROR right now.
- usethe1-2-2

Exactly, way overpriced but in this market they can ask for it I guess.

AZ is the target I think Sutter can go to. He could be a 1 C there in reality. Boedker is the most interesting piece they have, $4mil is too much for his past, but the dude has skill. Not sure if AZ plans on departing him or not.
- sammy87

I think Nashville is also a place where he could land. They're always looking for centers

AZ is the target I think Sutter can go to. He could be a 1 C there in reality. Boedker is the most interesting piece they have, $4mil is too much for his past, but the dude has skill. Not sure if AZ plans on departing him or not.
- sammy87

Why would Arz give up their only young winger when they would be just a acquiring a no. 1 center like u proposed? If anything they would offer us their 1st.

That is what I kind of meant. He was born with it and not really anything they could have done for it to prevent the stroke. You gonna open up every player from now on and see if they have wholes in there hearts?
- mmonana120

for some reason that last question literally made me laugh out loud but I get the point. its unavoidable, but unfortunately accompanied with the concussions has destroyed his trade value. Still a phenomenal player and would love to have a healthy Letang on my team anyday.

I think Nashville is also a place where he could land. They're always looking for centers
- drummer829

AZ has 2 1st round picks....I could see them giving up the later pick maybe.