And Jagr still doesn't seem to be slowing down... finding a few exceptions to the rule doesn't change the rule.
- Guile

You can't compare aging guys like Jagr, Teemu, Iggy to guys like Kunitz..2 completely different leagues of talent.

Does anyone know when the signing can become official? July 1st when the FA's come off the books? Friday during the draft if cap space is created via trades? I'm guessing it's not official since they're still in cap hell
- stowerkraut

As a true FA, I think they can sign him whenever, but I'm not sure. Basing this on the fact that, technically, you can make trades at any point in the season aside from the Christmas break.

But are you allowed to deal injured players that have no chance of ever playing in the NHL again? IMO, as his contract will always be a non factor for the Flyers (since they always spend to the cap), they should just cancel the remainder of his contract which would avoid the "perception of potential conflict of interest" in this whole thing.
- lpstjg

What you just stated... no, should not be able to deal someone with no chance of playing.

If you are referring to the Horton - Clarkson trade... Horton wasn't ruled as done yet, which is the way that was legal for the time. Was it sneaky/cheap and kinda sorta illegal? Yep, but still within the rules.

Rutherford needs to stay the hell away from Sharp. God he can be a moron. Sharp is no better than Kunitz. No sense in giving up assets for that.
- jfkst1

I have no problem with the signing of this Russian. I hope that keeps us out of the other Russian sweepstakes that we might be connected to.

Agree with Sharp. His acquisition would be foolish at his cost (cap hit), his play and what assets would be going back. A trade for Sharp would put us further in problems.

You can't compare aging guys like Jagr, Teemu, Iggy to guys like Kunitz..2 completely different leagues of talent.
- sammy87

I didn't... I said not to use those guys are reasons to believe players like Kunitz and Sharp are not going to slow down.

Platkinov's speed - just one play in the 2015 World Championship against the USA (sorry).

Seems like he can skate to me - (again just one play).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr3g1-lMKwM

But are you allowed to deal injured players that have no chance of ever playing in the NHL again? IMO, as his contract will always be a non factor for the Flyers (since they always spend to the cap), they should just cancel the remainder of his contract which would avoid the "perception of potential conflict of interest" in this whole thing.
- lpstjg

The point is that clearly Pronger is already not going to play again and is staying on LTIR to prevent Philly from getting hit with early retirement recapture penalties. The issue the article brought up was that the NHLPA might object to the deal because Pronger's actually salary will be substantially lower so the net effect will be less aggregate salary to players.

SERGEI PLOTNIKOV

Keep that name. The guy can hit, fight and score around the cage. This is what we need: hard workers around the net. A Kunitz/Hörnqvist type?

The Euro leagues are littered with guys who have plenty of skill but are just not fast enough for the NHL.

It'll be interesting to see if he can break the mold. Certainly a low-risk signing with the potential for a very nice payoff.

But are you allowed to deal injured players that have no chance of ever playing in the NHL again? IMO, as his contract will always be a non factor for the Flyers (since they always spend to the cap), they should just cancel the remainder of his contract which would avoid the "perception of potential conflict of interest" in this whole thing.
- lpstjg

Sure you can. Horton got traded and he's likely done for good.

Every year, he has to report to a league doctor and examined to see if he is cleared to play or not. As long as he keeps doing that, he and the team are following the rules as expressed in the CBA. And I wouldn't call his contract a "non factor." It's a rather big one, actually.

Also, since it's an over-35 deal, they can't cancel it. It's there until it runs out.

As a true FA, I think they can sign him whenever, but I'm not sure. Basing this on the fact that, technically, you can make trades at any point in the season aside from the Christmas break.
- jmatchett383

That was my understanding. If they had the space, he can sign. Not under any other teams possession either.

"Rutherford needs to stay the hell away from Sharp. God he can be a moron. Sharp is no better than Kunitz. No sense in giving up assets for that."



Says no one ever...
- Dannyboy

UMMM ... he isn't any better than Kunitz at this point. It's counterproductive to acquire a 33-year old on the decline for that price. Most people would recognize it. Both had major declines in production (stop it with Sharps use as an excuse ... Chicago fan mentality in this). He is also 2.05 million more. Not worth it at all.

What you just stated... no, should not be able to deal someone with no chance of playing.

If you are referring to the Horton - Clarkson trade... Horton wasn't ruled as done yet, which is the way that was legal for the time. Was it sneaky/cheap and kinda sorta illegal? Yep, but still within the rules.
- Guile

Pronger has not been officially ruled as "done" either. He reports for his physical every year.

Or Toews or Kane or Hossa or Saad or TT or Keith
- Dannyboy

everybodys favorite...someone from another team who only brings up things about their own team

delete

IDK at 25 I think you're skating abilities are pretty set. If that weren't the case everyone would be gliding like Letang.

Good move to grab a guy cheap. Can he be on a 2-way? Slotting him in a top 6 role is a bit pre mature. Anyone remember Janne Pessenon or Tangradi?
- sammy87

I almost threw up with the Pessenon comment. Wasn't he supposed to set the world on fire over here after CP signed him.

Agree with the skating part. If this kid was 17 or 18, I'd agree. Still have hope my son can be a better skater, but he has some time still. I don't see much improvement in skating someone at 25 can make.

If this dude has skill and hockey sense, I will take his liability of skating, as long as its not terrible.

Pronger has not been officially ruled as "done" either. He reports for his physical every year.
- jmatchett383

It's one of those loopholes. No issues with it. Working for the league is a little troublesome. Wish pronger would've been healthy enough to finish man was he a great player.

What you just stated... no, should not be able to deal someone with no chance of playing.

If you are referring to the Horton - Clarkson trade... Horton wasn't ruled as done yet, which is the way that was legal for the time. Was it sneaky/cheap and kinda sorta illegal? Yep, but still within the rules.
- Guile

Exactly, I see the Horton-Clarkson trade a bit different but not by much. At least in that trade, Horton didn't take a job at the NHL offices. If Pronger had any plans on coming back to play, he wouldn't have said otherwise publicly on top of taking a new job. It just seems weird that you can keep receiving money as a player while also having a position (and getting money) from the league you are a player from without either :
A) be bought out
B) retiring

In that optics, I think cancelling the contract would be in the NHL's best interest.

everybodys favorite...someone from another team who only brings up things about their own team
- flyershockey

Is this when you tell us about a 3 on 3 OT lineup of Vorachek, Giroux, and MDZ?

Exactly, I see the Horton-Clarkson trade a bit different but not by much. At least in that trade, Horton didn't take a job at the NHL offices. If Pronger had any plans on coming back to play, he wouldn't have said otherwise publicly on top of taking a new job. It just seems weird that you can keep receiving money as a player while also having a position (and getting money) from the league you are a player from without either :
A) be bought out
B) retiring

In that optics, I think cancelling the contract would be in the NHL's best interest.
- lpstjg

You can also receive a draft pick for a Coach/GM you fired... lets not get into NHL rules making sense.

Now sign Sheary for fourth line duty
- usethe1-2-2

What is the serious scouting report on this dude?

It's one of those loopholes. No issues with it. Working for the league is a little troublesome. Wish pronger would've been healthy enough to finish man was he a great player.
- dbell646

Even if his last season with the Flyers early in 11-12, he was still an All-Star level player. Shame he had to end his career the way he did, although there's a lot of people out there who feel that he finally got what was coming to him, which I personally think is uncalled for.

I almost threw up with the Pessenon comment. Wasn't he supposed to set the world on fire over here after CP signed him.

Agree with the skating part. If this kid was 17 or 18, I'd agree. Still have hope my son can be a better skater, but he has some time still. I don't see much improvement in skating someone at 25 can make.

If this dude has skill and hockey sense, I will take his liability of skating, as long as its not terrible.
- Oneonta Penguin

I would suggest that resources in the nhl and khl are leagues apart. Not saying he will skate like teemu but maybe he can be good enough. Big tough frame that can shoot is what I see. 50/50 chance it works out and like you said didn't cost us anything. Pessonen played a different game so comparison isn't fair. Nice to see jimmy trying different avenues. It's something I don't think shero took advantage of

Jagr is slowing down a lot... He used to carry defenders on his back.
- BarbarianSavage

At 42 or 43, you would be too slowing down. He still has that unique gift he has at protecting the puck. He still probably could carry some defenders on his back ... we might have two or three that fit that description.

Pronger has not been officially ruled as "done" either. He reports for his physical every year.
- jmatchett383

If he had any intention of ever playing again, would he be looking at job in the NHL offices? The only reason he reports for medical exams is that he can get paid his player contract and I assume because he has to fail the medical/physical exam every year for the Flyers to be able to move him to LTIR. It's just a smokescreen and everyone is aware, you might as well stop it and nobody will (or at least should) be mad against it as it will not change anything to anyone other than Pronger I guess. If you want your player money, you probably shouldn't be taking other jobs while under contract.