The two guys who I really want to see get the Babcock treatement are JVR and Kadri.

Not willing to trade either until we see how they respond to actual coaching.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't see Arizona's incentive for the risk.
- AdamFrench

Why the hell would Toronto trade its 2016 pick?

It's going to be a cold, cold winter down at the ACC next year.

That good, eh?
- BetterCallSaul

USNTDP Juniors USHL 24 20 28 48
U.S. National U18 Team USDP 60 55 61 116
USA U18 WJC-18 7 8 7 15
USA U20 WJC-20 5 1 2 3

vs

Eichel at the same time

USNTDP Juniors USHL 24 20 25 45
U.S. National U18 Team USDP 53 38 49 87
USA U18 WJC-18 7 5 5 10
USA U20 WJC-20 5 1 4 5

Not as good, but close enough.

Please don't trade down

Why the hell would Toronto trade its 2016 pick?

It's going to be a cold, cold winter down at the ACC next year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Worked well with Kessel right? What could go wrong...

On the drive home, they were talking about trading 4 and 24 for 3 and 30 to get Strome.

Seemed like an entirely stupid idea.
- Schenn-Sational!

Seems the TSN people truly believe Strome is the player the Leafs want. Hayes was saying they need him because of the void since Sundin. I hate that line of thought.

Why the hell would Toronto trade its 2016 pick?

It's going to be a cold, cold winter down at the ACC next year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Because theres a lot of (frank)ing people that a pure franson on ice around here...

Seems the TSN people truly believe Strome is the player the Leafs want. Hayes was saying they need him because of the void since Sundin. I hate that line of thought.
- BetterCallSaul

It was because of the Hunter interview.

He basically brought out an easel and painted a picture of strome with his words.

Well, he's already 26... Really depends on how fast you think they rebuild.
- Schenn-Sational!

im just saying that his value won't get any higher and there's no guarantee he resigns when his deal is up. i know he's thought highly of here but he's a 55-60 point winger with zero defensive accountability whose numbers are (if we're being honest) inflated by playing with a talent like Kessel.

Seems the TSN people truly believe Strome is the player the Leafs want. Hayes was saying they need him because of the void since Sundin. I hate that line of thought.
- BetterCallSaul

Yea, go BPA. And if you want a center, Hunter was talking about how Marner wanted to play at center, pushed to be out there, and excelled at it. So it's not like he's guaranteed to be a winger.

But then Hunter was also talking about how Strome is one of the smartest players in the draft.

It was because of the Hunter interview.

He basically brought out an easel and painted a picture of strome with his words.
- Bigzby

Was it a sexy picture ?

Was it a sexy picture ?
- The_Vark

im just saying that his value won't get any higher and there's no guarantee he resigns when his deal is up. i know he's thought highly of here but he's a 55-60 point winger with zero defensive accountability whose numbers are (if we're being honest) inflated by playing with a talent like Kessel.
- DoubleDown

JVR was a lot better defensively before this season. Seems Carlyle just told that line to focus on one thing and one thing only.

JVR was a lot better defensively before this season. Seems Carlyle just told that line to focus on one thing and one thing only.
- Schenn-Sational!

Horachek too?

im just saying that his value won't get any higher and there's no guarantee he resigns when his deal is up. i know he's thought highly of here but he's a 55-60 point winger with zero defensive accountability whose numbers are (if we're being honest) inflated by playing with a talent like Kessel.
- DoubleDown

Don't really disagree with the rest though. His value is at its highest now. People saying he was a better player than Kessel were completely out to lunch.

JVR was a lot better defensively before this season. Seems Carlyle just told that line to focus on one thing and one thing only.
- Schenn-Sational!

Getting him coach of the year votes?

we need to keep lupul and let him get back to his pre horacek numbers. 21 pts...guys value has never been lower
- GardinerExpress

that applies to the whole team.

JVR was a lot better defensively before this season. Seems Carlyle just told that line to focus on one thing and one thing only.
- Schenn-Sational!

He cost us Luke Schenn and has an unreal contract. Hes a keeper at least until we see what Babcock can do with him.

Horachek too?


- Garnie

He just told them to stop playing hockey, like the rest of the team


He does seem like the type of player Babcock can work pretty well with.

Horachek too?


- Garnie

Plays with Kessel and Bozie, he's euchred either way.

He cost us Luke Schenn and has an unreal contract. Hes a keeper at least until we see what Babcock can do with him.
- Bigzby

Luke Schenn is garbage . Zero loss

He makes 4MM bucks, his value is unreal.
- Bigzby

is it good enough for the 6th overall pick? or would the leafs need to add something else.

Luke Schenn is garbage . Zero loss
- Popcorn Kid

Are you telling me this like I dont know that, or are you extra extra clarifying my point

im just saying that his value won't get any higher and there's no guarantee he resigns when his deal is up. i know he's thought highly of here but he's a 55-60 point winger with zero defensive accountability whose numbers are (if we're being honest) inflated by playing with a talent like Kessel.
- DoubleDown

1. We are not being honest here.

2. JVR has not reached his talent ceiling. Honestly, try watching the guy live for a few games. He's the most frustrating player to watch on the Leafs since...Gardiner...or Jason Blake...oh hell, they are all frustrating to watch. What the hell was I saying?

Ah, yes, JVR. His like an 11 year old boy out there - he's fooling around. He'd rather do that stupid flip shot thingy from behind the goal line than stand in front of the blue paint and score an Andreychuk goal. He's goofing around out there. Big, giggly smile on his face when he comes back to the bench after not sinking a 3 foot putt.

He needs the Babcock.*

He needs the Babcock bad.

He needs the Babcock real bad.

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1. We are not being honest here.

2. JVR has not reached his talent ceiling. Honestly, try watching the guy live for a few games. He's the most frustrating player to watch on the Leafs since...Gardiner...or Jason Blake...oh hell, they are all frustrating to watch. What the hell was I saying?

Ah, yes, JVR. His like an 11 year old boy out there - he's fooling around. He'd rather do that stupid flip shot thingy from behind the goal line than stand in front of the blue paint and score and Andreychuk goal. He's goofing around out there. Big, giggly smile on his face when he comes back to the bench after not sinking a 3 foot putt.

He needs the Babcock.*

He needs the Babcock bad.

He needs the Babcock real bad.

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- Atomic Wedgie

He could improve with a good babcocking