Couldn't agree more. I'm confused by the amount of trade proposals that include Dumoulin that aren't for bonafide stud wingers. Trading Dumoulin severely weakens our defensive make up, so if we send him out it better be (frank)ing worth it. A player like T.J. Oshie is where I start to think about Dumoulin. Definitely not for anyone with question marks like Skinner, Boedker, and so on.
- Victoro311

I like dumo but he is unproven at this point. Nyvquist isn't going anywhere with the guys i mentioned + more. Nyvquist is the real deal and will only get better.

These guys are high. That deal would be amazing. I might say keep your 3rd and we'll give you a 3rd. But I really hope no penguins fan thinks our top 6 is solved. And to get Nyqvist, a proven younf goal scorer, without giving up Pouliot or Maatta.....I really cant believe anyone would argue this.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'm not saying that's not a fair trade. It might even be in the Penguin's favor. We just can't afford it. It doesn't matter how good we get up front, we're not winning poop with the defensive corp that we're throwing out there after trading Dumoulin. Look at my above posts. And how much longer can we afford to put off drafting first round wingers to restock our cupboard?

My point is that with Plotnikov and maybe Tikhonov if we sign him we've increased our probability of filling out our top 6. Because of this increased probability of success we can relax a little and avoid mortgaging our future further on a panic move.

What reports are you reading? Harrington's not NHL ready unless he somehow went through two years worth of development this season after being sent back down. Flinging him in as a fixture in the top 6 next season may stunt his development. We need Dumoulin.
- Victoro311

Definitely hear differently on Harrington, but even if he isn't, you can find an affordable stopgap for Dumoulin so he's not needed. Preferred yes, but not so essential you can't trade him.

Fair enough, especially about the 4C.

I am concerned though that most of our most physical forwards might be gone. You look at our top 10 hit leaders last year 3 are traded (Despres, Bortuzzo, Sill), 4 are UFAs (Comeau, Adams, Downie, Lapierre) and 2 are frequent salary dumps Kunitz, Spaling). Not sure that's being adequately replaced.
- Tojo.

Well we just brought in a heavy hitter in Plotnikov.

Also, I'm interested to see how Ian Cole comes back and plays next season in his likely expanded role. Remember, Despres didn't always use to be a bull dog. Perhaps Cole will, like Despres, figure out that he will carve out a spot for himself much more easily if he starts utilizing that big body of his to punish. Would love to see him turn into a Marc Staal type.

If buffalo offers us their 21st pick for Sutter straight up and that was the best offer JR could get, would you take it or just keep him at that point?
- joescullz

I wouldn't let Murray finish his sentence. I'd personally help Sutter pack and take him to the airport. That would be a great return for Sutter.

I'm not saying that's not a fair trade. It might even be in the Penguin's favor. We just can't afford it. It doesn't matter how good we get up front, we're not winning poop with the defensive corp that we're throwing out there after trading Dumoulin. Look at my above posts. And how much longer can we afford to put off drafting first round wingers to restock our cupboard?

My point is that with Plotnikov and maybe Tikhonov if we sign him we've increased our probability of filling out our top 6. Because of this increased probability of success we can relax a little and avoid mortgaging our future further on a panic move.
- Victoro311

Here's the thing, you cant be so unwilling to give up something decent in a trade. Yes Dumo is a nice, cheap, bottom pairing defenseman this year (with room to grow) but Nyqvist is a top line ~30 goal winger. Dumo can be replaced in FA. Someone like Nyqvist can not be acquired via FA.

As I saw someone else wrote today, the two cheap Russian wingers could really help our cap situation. I'm at least a little more intrigued about the idea of a stop gap top 6 winger. Sutter for Vrabata or Hudler would be a nice tradeoff, albeit a short term fix. Same with signing Justin Williams or Frolik...if we have the money to sign a new 3rd C and either of those two...I think we should consider it. I like the idea of not giving up prime assets. But of course, I am open to a trade for a young top 6 guy if the price is right.

1st Sharp isn't going to be traded to the Pens, it's just not happening.

2 Good luck with those Russians hope they play 200 feet of hockey for you

3 since Letang is always hurt maybe it would be best to invest in a 7th defenceman

4 you just can't make stupid trades like the one where you traded Despres for Lovejoy

Good luck Penguin fans

Harrington for Rychel still makes a lot of sense.

Hornqvist
Perron
Kunitz
Dupuis
Bennett
Rychel
Plotnikov
Tikhonov
Winnik
Comeau

A lot of wing options if Rychel is brought in.

Its a team full of middle six wingers, but overall depth is good.

Maybe Tik could take the 4C role. Wouldnt be opposed to giving a shot to something like Tik Sundqvist Comeau on the 4th line

1st Sharp isn't going to be traded to the Pens, it's just not happening.

2 Good luck with those Russians hope they play 200 feet of hockey for you

3 since Letang is always hurt maybe it would be best to invest in a 7th defenceman

4 you just can't make stupid trades like the one where you traded Despres for Lovejoy

Good luck Penguin fans
- BetweenTheDots

1. We all hope he won't. Take your used goods and get out of here.

2. They have a higher probability of success than Panarin.

3. Good one...

4. We know.

I want to feel good for your organization and how Stan Bowman turned around a sinking ship, but the level of condescension and concededness from your fan base makes it impossible. I really hope the Blues give Saad an absurd offer sheet just so you guys have to match it and go into cap hell.

1. We all hope he won't. Take your used goods and get out of here.

2. They have a higher probability of success than Panarin.

3. Good one...

4. We know.

I want to feel good for your organization and how Stan Bowman turned around a sinking ship, but the level of condescension and concededness from your fan base makes it impossible. I really hope the Blues give Saad an absurd offer sheet just so you guys have to match it and go into cap hell.
- Victoro311

Maybe if the Pens get both of them, but on an individual level I would say no way. Then again, I don't think anyone really knows how well these players are going to play for an NHL team. I'm not planning on them being anything more than depth players but they are worth the chance.

Hawks fans truly are the biggest bunch of dbag condescending bandwagoners hbuzz has seen. I don't think I've ever had a constructive discussion with one on here before.

1st Sharp isn't going to be traded to the Pens, it's just not happening.

2 Good luck with those Russians hope they play 200 feet of hockey for you

3 since Letang is always hurt maybe it would be best to invest in a 7th defenceman

4 you just can't make stupid trades like the one where you traded Despres for Lovejoy

Good luck Penguin fans
- BetweenTheDots

Where is Sharp going to be traded? Just curious - I agree Pens can't/won't get him.

Maybe if the Pens get both of them, but on an individual level I would say no way. Then again, I don't think anyone really knows how well these players are going to play for an NHL team. I'm not planning on them being anything more than depth players but they are worth the chance.
- jfkst1

They do. Panarin has the highest probability of success in the top 6, but the other two's game translates well into a depth, bottom six roll.

Where is Sharp going to be traded? Just curious - I agree Pens can't/won't get him.
- so_buzz11

My guess is Florida but we'll see.

My guess is Florida but we'll see.
- BetweenTheDots

Doesn't Florida already have an old winger in Jagr?

I guess Florida is where old players go to retire - Jagr, Luongo, Sharp...

I wouldn't let Murray finish his sentence. I'd personally help Sutter pack and take him to the airport. That would be a great return for Sutter.
- jfkst1

Definitely. That's Paul Bittner territory

Definitely. That's Paul Bittner territory
- BourbonCounty

In this draft they probably stand about a 50% chance of hitting on the 21st pick just judging off of relative historical averages. Move Lovejoy and Kunitz for younger players/picks too and the team could get into a better position for the future.

In this draft they probably stand about a 50% chance of hitting on the 21st pick just judging off of relative historical averages. Move Lovejoy and Kunitz for younger players/picks too and the team could get into a better position for the future.
- jfkst1

We hit on Maatta at 22. This draft we very easily could strike gold with that pick. Not sure if I would ship off Kunitz etc for draft picks until we have some more pieces in place. Guess we'll see where Sutter ends up and what the return is first.

Just thinking if these Russian players are coming on board, it might make Pittsburgh a little more enticing a place to come to. Martin may think a little harder about how much he wants, the other FA guys might also look at what may be possible which if these reports are correct, will make the Pens a nice team to play in rather than a team in a little crisis & between competitive seasons.

Well I have 2 holes in my top 4
- Feds91Stammer

You have my trade proposal. It would be a fair deal for both teams/

So who being traded will be the first domino???

I say it's Cam Talbot

Saw on Spector hockey this rumor going around

Sutter to Calgary for Hudler and a 2nd??


If i'm GMJR, i jump on that in a second

Saw on Spector hockey this rumor going around

Sutter to Calgary for Hudler and a 2nd??


If i'm GMJR, i jump on that in a second
- cap1681

I can't believe CGY would do that. Hudler is a better player and both are on one year contracts.

I can't believe CGY would do that. Hudler is a better player and both are on one year contracts.
- jfkst1

Hence the jumping on it in a second.

Harrington for Rychel still makes a lot of sense.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

For us sure, not so much for CBJ who want proven defensemen, preferably top 4.